Singaporeans who migrated overseas..
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When it comes to usa- it is hell for a citizen's spouse to apply for citizenship. The foreigner will understand why they call foreigners aliens there then.Originally posted by vito_corleone:the only way u can migrate to more "developed" countries without paying $$$ is to attend university there, graduate with a good job offer in one of their local companies and agree to contribute to their economy. and of course, you can marry one of their citizens, its always easier for a spouse of a citizen to apply for citizenship. -
I want what every citizen wants, To have the country love us as much as we love it!!
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Originally posted by MunnaBhai_MBBS:
U think our govt dun love us? If im the govt, i will f care this country so as to save my ass from all the fking from so many human rights groups etc.
[b]I want what every citizen wants, To have the country love us as much as we love it!![/b]
Some of the guys in Singapore only think abt the oppressions, the limitations and nanny state that we are in. But do they think abt the consequences of being too democratic, being too easy on freedom. Dun be misleaded by the first few alphabets but freedom is never free. You want freedom (in a sense of peace and prosperity), you want security and stability you have to pay a price and that is that this country have to be regulated in a way. -
Yes our government loves us 100%. Yes they save our country's face from Amnesty International out of love for us....NOT because AI was actually blaming the government instead of the country.Originally posted by foxtrout8:U think our govt dun love us? If im the govt, i will f care this country so as to save my ass from all the fking from so many human rights groups etc.
Some of the guys in Singapore only think abt the oppressions, the limitations and nanny state that we are in. But do they think abt the consequences of being too democratic, being too easy on freedom. Dun be misleaded by the first few alphabets but freedom is never free. You want freedom (in a sense of peace and prosperity), you want security and stability you have to pay a price and that is that this country have to be regulated in a way.
The locals , despite the government loving, are so untalented that we need foreign talents .The ministers are so specially selected that they need to be the highest paid ministers in the world. Yes they deserve the a million/year pay because they make more sacrifices and contributions than impoverished families. The ministers are so specially talented that if they end up in the private sectors instead - they are not at risk from the american "hire and fire" system. Yes We should all worship the government....sincee they did so much for us. Never mind if the top orders the poor and struggling elders to accdept less pay- even though some of the top elders is paid very very well .
All hail our government for making so much sacrifices for us commoners.
I will worship the government from outside of Singapore as a foreign talent. Thank you ,government for the policy that shows to stay is to be a local untalented ....to go out of singapore is to be foreign talent , like our foreign talents in Singapore -
The locals , despite the government loving, are so untalented that we need foreign talents .
The foreign talent thingy is not something new lah. Comeon, it have been debated since then as it is like debating whether Newater is safe to drink or not. Why in the world do u think Singapore should not recruit foreign talent while the world is currently experiencing a constant exodus of capable workers?
Is Foreign talent something new? No, it is a very old practical solution to one country's lack of certain talents. The Roman empire, the English Army, the current America are good examples of countries relying on foreign talents to build up their capability. Without foreign talents, US wont not be able to stop the second war world without further loses. Without foreign talents, the English army would not have survived the number of wars they hungerily waged.
Singapore is a small nation where we have no resources other than our human MK 1 cerebal motherboard. We have onli 3.5 million Singaporeans working on our economy inorder for us not to be kaput by the various means. Do u think 3.5 million Singaporeans can consist the number of talents we require? Do we for example have the number of talents to turn Singapore into a biological/Medical hub? If you think we have the enough talents, then you are ....ermm..not very wise. America with 500 million people do not for example have the talent to sent their astronauts to space, they for information have to rely on a number of foreign scienctist and even people under political immunity. Even for a country which have so many people, they have to rely on foreign talents, what not so pleasing for you to see foreign talents here?
You see, it is not that the government do not want to rely on our talents. Yes there are talents here and the government is trying to nurture the best out of them. The government had set up the Sport school in woodlands, for many years sponsered a number of talents overseas or to better education through the various financial incentives and they even plan to set up a School for Arts by 2008.
So you see, our government is identifying talents but why is she hungry for foreign talents now? The thing why the government is going out to beg for talents is that there are certain talents that Singapore do not have in the first place and inorder to nurther our 'possible' talents, we have to get foreign talents here to pave the way, to set up a depth so as to further attract investments and it is these investments that give our future local talents opportunities to excel.
In another words, i agree with you that in certain fields, we are untalented and we need foreign talents.The ministers are so specially selected that they need to be the highest paid ministers in the world. Yes they deserve the a million/year pay because they make more sacrifices and contributions than impoverished families.
They are paid more because of their responsibilities. The social wont work paying people with lesser responsibilities more well paying people with more responsibilities less. This happen anywhere in non-communist countries. Even communist leaders have their pay in hefty sums.
All in all, if you dun like the current government's pay. You can raise it to them or ....next time dun vote them. But it just seems to me that most people are alright the pay... -
No, no one is putting the cap. The thing abt it is that, people can criticise but can people criticise ...more intelligently?Originally posted by miong:Are we now becoming a communist country ? Put a dunce cap on those who dare oppose or criticise country's dictations?
It is like people saying that Singapore do not have free speech as u dun realli get to criticise the government and those who do are all sued. The thing that why these people get sued is that you critise without thinking, accusing without factual backings. We call that....erm slander. I dun have to be the government to sue you, but if you will to criticise mi without factual backings with aims to stir up distrust inorder just to ruin my day, i will do so....
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Originally posted by foxtrout8:
Well , other countries have protectionist policies for their local people but ours don't. They send their people out for skills they lack in or try to train them domestically.
The foreign talent thingy is not something new lah. Comeon, it have been debated since then as it is like debating whether Newater is safe to drink or not. Why in the world do u think Singapore should not recruit foreign talent while the world is currently experiencing a constant exodus of capable workers?
Is Foreign talent something new? No, it is a very old practical solution to one country's lack of certain talents. The Roman empire, the English Army, the current America are good examples of countries relying on foreign talents to build up their capability. Without foreign talents, US wont not be able to stop the second war world without further loses. Without foreign talents, the English army would not have survived the number of wars they hungerily waged.
Singapore is a small nation where we have no resources other than our human MK 1 cerebal motherboard. We have onli 3.5 million Singaporeans working on our economy inorder for us not to be kaput by the various means. Do u think 3.5 million Singaporeans can consist the number of talents we require? Do we for example have the number of talents to turn Singapore into a biological/Medical hub? If you think we have the enough talents, then you are ....ermm..not very wise. America with 500 million people do not for example have the talent to sent their astronauts to space, they for information have to rely on a number of foreign scienctist and even people under political immunity. Even for a country which have so many people, they have to rely on foreign talents, what not so pleasing for you to see foreign talents here?
You see, it is not that the government do not want to rely on our talents. Yes there are talents here and the government is trying to nurture the best out of them. The government had set up the Sport school in woodlands, for many years sponsered a number of talents overseas or to better education through the various financial incentives and they even plan to set up a School for Arts by 2008.
So you see, our government is identifying talents but why is she hungry for foreign talents now? The thing why the government is going out to beg for talents is that there are certain talents that Singapore do not have in the first place and inorder to nurther our 'possible' talents, we have to get foreign talents here to pave the way, to set up a depth so as to further attract investments and it is these investments that give our future local talents opportunities to excel.
In another words, i agree with you that in certain fields, we are untalented and we need foreign talents.
Anyways I am a foreign talent now in Australia . So in a way Singapore's policy on FT has taught me one thing or two. Difference between those Singapore FT and me , I get called a quitter for leaving my country in search of opportunities while they are not called quitters by their own countries.
What i don't like to see is locals without jobs , while FT are holding their jobs , or locals working under FT (unless it is an MNC). I just tell you lar....1st and 2nd class talents don't come to Singapore- they go to USA /Europe/Australia. Even Australia 1st class talents want to jump to USA. So go figure what class of FT Singapore is getting. Remember 1st and 2nd class taken up...which leaves 3RD CLASS talents which no other countries are interested in.
Then we have foreign workers , especially from China and India , who are classed as talents as well , willing to work for less. From Singapore, they jump to Australia and then laugh at Singapore- why I know? Because i met some of the "talents" who jump ship from singapore to Australia. They thought I was malaysian so they badmouthed Singapore all the way. of course I keep diam diam because I want to see how much they say and it was alot. That is why FT policy makes my blood boil.
YES!- fame and glory will happen when you go to Singapore. ...or no...was it USA?
arrr...I think the USA president , who incidentally is paid less than our ministers, work harder to run a huge country with multiple resources. The Australian PM has to run A CONTINENT with multiple resources and he is paid less. We can even cut it down to state level. NSW and VIC are bigger than Singapore but even the state governments have to regulate the multiple industries they have. And the Federal government has to oversee the state governments. Singapore only has one resource - human , and one state and one capital called Singapore. WOW A singular resource is such hardwork.....yes the ministers deserve 1 million /annum for running JUST only ONE resource.
They are paid more because of their responsibilities. The social wont work paying people with lesser responsibilities more well paying people with more responsibilities less. ........
All in all, if you dun like the current government's pay. You can raise it to them or ....next time dun vote them. But it just seems to me that most people are alright the pay...
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Walkovers....how to vote? Vote WHAT? They placed conditions on OVERSEAS voters - only government and civil servants who stay out of the country indefinitely can vote . Otherwise no vote for us commoners who don't stay 2 out of 5 years to vote. They should cover the 2 out of 5 years rule to EVERYONE . Even Australia OVERSEAS voting don't have that rule. BUT THEN AGAIN.....Who cares? We all know the end result .....people being people will always vote for the fella who threatens to take away their crumbs..oops I mean offer not threaten. -
Ya ,our free speech constitutes taking down your ic and name while the other speakers ic and name are not taken down. I know that from experience in a forum with politicians in Singapore. Young People must speak freely they said.....kena my ic and name written down after I followed their command.Originally posted by foxtrout8:No, no one is putting the cap. The thing abt it is that, people can criticise but can people criticise ...more intelligently?
It is like people saying that Singapore do not have free speech as u dun realli get to criticise the government and those who do are all sued. The thing that why these people get sued is that you critise without thinking, accusing without factual backings. We call that....erm slander. I dun have to be the government to sue you, but if you will to criticise mi without factual backings with aims to stir up distrust inorder just to ruin my day, i will do so....
Of course im toking at a macro issue but as u say, people can criticise but can they think a little further than just all the carrot i quiet, stick i kp type of attitude. -
WTH~?! What happened why they take down ur IC? U in deep Sh1t i tell u. Black-listed permanently, and it goes the same for your close relatives or ur kids if u have any.Originally posted by fymk:Ya ,our free speech constitutes taking down your ic and name while the other speakers ic and name are not taken down. I know that from experience in a forum with politicians in Singapore. Young People must speak freely they said.....kena my ic and name written down after I followed their command.
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Lokks like fymk's covered most of the key points here already, so I'll just throw in my two cents' worth of what the overall picture is.
As someone else has mentioned, we don't know where the money is, or even how much we have. If you put your money into a bank, and when you try checking your balance, the ATM displays, "Sorry, we can't tell you", what would you say? Why should the case be different for the money that is held by the government, that in theory belongs to us?
For years Singapore has been bragging about its educational standard, and now we have a shortage of talent? What happened to that wonderful educational system of ours?
The government justifies ministerial salaries by saying, "You pay peanuts, you get monkeys", and at the same time tells people that they shouldn't be fussed with the salaries they are offered during a recession. Perhaps Singaporeans should adopt the old Soviet philosophy: "As long as they pretend to pay us, we shall pretend to work" - but no, the powers-that-be wouldn't stand for that, would they?
The government takes pride in the racial harmony we find in Singapore - it is an achievement to get people from such different cultures to live together. Then again, they seem to have forgotten that such diversity is the result of immigration, and when the immigrants' descendants do as their forefathers did, they are labelled "quitters". Then again, I'm surprised they haven't progressed to using the term "traitors".
What is the common thread in the four examples above? It's the glaring inconsistency that shows up when the relevant facts are put together. Yet Singaporeans insist on taking a macro view of things, compartmentalising everything so that they can take a look at one piece of information and say, "It's not so bad" without having to worry about the bigger picture. Maybe it's time we woke up and realised how badly we've been scammed.
Sure, you might say that there's too much democracy in other countries - I look at the Australian government's shadow-government system and wonder how they ever gat anything done - one side will automatically oppose the other's propositions unless a war breaks out. Then again, such debate brings out issues that the people do need to be aware of - after all, it is up to them, and not any corrupt-practices legislation or exorbitant miniterial salaries, to keep the government honest.
It's not a case of cheaper cars and houses - it's a case of getting the respect that an individual deserves, regardless of his or her race, language, religion, salary, education or political affiliations. Then again, the Singaporean pledge doesn't cover the last three conditions, does it? Just too bad. -
Ai ya... they took my name down when i was a student back then.Being a teenager and very xia lan that time , gave me the vision of being invincible. I gave my details and even asked the MP if he wanted my address and telephone number. You should have seen that guy's face - so funny - he was angry . I think it was more of the I WANT TO SCARE YOU tactic.Originally posted by Poopie-Head:WTH~?! What happened why they take down ur IC? U in deep Sh1t i tell u. Black-listed permanently, and it goes the same for your close relatives or ur kids if u have any.
Unless u didn't let them take it down. Why u didnt insist not to let them record ur details?
Ok , now Foxtrout8 , you want to defend the million dollar salaries of ministers? I will tell you how the american corporate system works. MNCs pay the upper levels of the organization very well. However , should they fail their shareholders, they pay a price. It is a hire and fire system in private companies especially american ones. The CEOS , VPs, board of directors etc are paid million dollar salaries to keep the shares up. Shares go down - their heads roll, they lose their directorship and sometimes everything.
Now for ministers, whose heads are going to roll more? The government justifies payment by the virtue that ministers could earn more in private sectors. Therefore the payment by virtue makes the ministers as liable as in private sectors.
Ministers are a governing body . Salaries come from taxpayers, who are like shareholders. They are elected to rule , almost like the board of directors. Any bad decision will affect the country itself - a population of millions rather than tens of thousands ( as in the MNCs). Unlike MNCs , these decisions do not just affect financials , it has a widespreading effect on social structures, healthcare and other essential structures.
You cannot deny that there are failures from the system :
Let's apply the corporate america strategy here
1. Education : we need foreign talents, therefore there is a failure to train locals to attain the so called global competitive edge. Teachers are not happy.
point : Education minister's head needs to roll. Minister of Manpower and Minister of National Development have better evaluate the current and prospective job markets . Both deserve a huge pay cut
2. Sports - Singapore still lack the elusive Olympic medals despite importing "talents"
point : Minister of Sport's head needs to go. Minister for Manpower have better evaluate what type of talents we are importing or else he goes too.
3. Finance - Minister of finance have better give Singaporeans a transparent accounting of all finances used like Annual Reports of the corporate world.
I could continue but I shan't . People have to understand - the government was never given the mandate to rule us totally- they were given the power to make Singapore a good country to live in and work in for Singaporeans . This is not in the ancient imperial time when the King was GOD.
The government serves Singaporeans for the GOOD of all Singaporeans. The Singaporean TAXPAYERS are the employers of the government. The government is owned by these taxpayers - Singaporeans ARE NOT OWNED by the government. Yet some singaporeans chose to listen to the almighty words of the government , instead of the other way around. Nor did we give them the power to redraw electorate boundaries every time an election is looming -
If you like America so much. Just go. Migrate there and enjoy your life. Malaysian conscripts earning more than our NS boys? I dont think so. Where do you derive those figures anyway?
Singapore has always been my home. If paying more for my housing or my car is going to be a factor in determining where i live, i would really prefer to live in Thailand. However i do not mind the taxes, COE, and wat you would have. At least my country is not corrupt and i do not need to pay bribes to police officers.
I have no fear of being mugged. No fear of my car getting stolen. I can have a morning jog at 3 am without fear of being attacked.
Taxes are put in place to ensure that our government has a source of revenue in order to run the country. As our nation is a small island, land is limited. If wide open spaces is your cup of tea, then go america and stay. COE is to keep our roads free from congestions and Jams. It limits cars on the roads in order to protect our traffic system.
No one is asking you to serve NS for 15 years. you nuts? i did only 2 and half years. why would you want to serve NS for 15 years to buy a car?
wherever i go in this world...on business on on pleasure. I always look forward to coming back home to Singapore. This is certainly the place i can call my home.
My message to those who want to leave. Just pack and go. Stop whining. Just go. It will leave Singapore less congested and with happier citizens for all of us. -
Talk about thoroughly brainwashed.Originally posted by Thailand_Hero:If you like America so much. Just go. Migrate there and enjoy your life. Malaysian conscripts earning more than our NS boys? I dont think so. Where do you derive those figures anyway?
Singapore has always been my home. If paying more for my housing or my car is going to be a factor in determining where i live, i would really prefer to live in Thailand. However i do not mind the taxes, COE, and wat you would have. At least my country is not corrupt and i do not need to pay bribes to police officers.
I have no fear of being mugged. No fear of my car getting stolen. I can have a morning jog at 3 am without fear of being attacked.
Taxes are put in place to ensure that our government has a source of revenue in order to run the country. As our nation is a small island, land is limited. If wide open spaces is your cup of tea, then go america and stay. COE is to keep our roads free from congestions and Jams. It limits cars on the roads in order to protect our traffic system.
No one is asking you to serve NS for 15 years. you nuts? i did only 2 and half years. why would you want to serve NS for 15 years to buy a car?
wherever i go in this world...on business on on pleasure. I always look forward to coming back home to Singapore. This is certainly the place i can call my home.
My message to those who want to leave. Just pack and go. Stop whining. Just go. It will leave Singapore less congested and with happier citizens for all of us.
This, people, reflects Singapore in all its charmless glory. This sad and sorry individual has been turned so thoroughly into a local sheep he has even adopted the rabid intolerance for differing points of view. If you don't see things his way, go somewhere else, just so long as you shut up - that's the Singaporean way!
Me, I'm gone - I just pop back in here for the people who sense that something is seriously wrong here, but are discouraged from thinking that way by thugs like Thailand_Hero. Ironic, isn't it? Mr I-love-Singapore-it's-my-home chooses to put Thailand instead of Singapore in his nick. -
Australian and USA are big continents and should take in more people. Singapore is a small island so it is difficult to have large population. BUT you don't see everybody in the world go to Australia or USA. Many still choose to immigrate and stay in Singapore. Obviously they do not agree with those who want to migrate downunder or to the yankee land. What is seriously wrong to you may be acceptable to others. Are they then "thoroughly brainwashed."?Originally posted by Gedanken:Talk about thoroughly brainwashed.
This, people, reflects Singapore in all its charmless glory. This sad and sorry individual has been turned so thoroughly into a local sheep he has even adopted the rabid intolerance for differing points of view. If you don't see things his way, go somewhere else, just so long as you shut up - that's the Singaporean way!
Me, I'm gone - I just pop back in here for the people who sense that something is seriously wrong here, but are discouraged from thinking that way by thugs like Thailand_Hero. Ironic, isn't it? Mr I-love-Singapore-it's-my-home chooses to put Thailand instead of Singapore in his nick.
Talk about "the rabid intolerance for differing points of view. "
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Hey, you can natter all you want - unlike your buddy, I'm not going to tell you to shut up.
In fact, the more you talk, the more you show your ignorance. You don't see more people going to Oz or the US because they have quotas (you know, like your cars?) on migration - Australia has raised its entry requirements three times in the last seven years to make sure that they don't exceed the quota. Aw, gee - that just put a hole in your itsy-bitsy little theory, didn't it?
Here's another one: Singapore, on the other hand, is pretty much an immigration hussy these days, and that's why we've got all this noise about foreign talents. Ask yourself - does that girl have all those guys around her because she's popular, or because she's an easy lay?
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You cannot deny that there are failures from the system :
U are going back to the argument about talent here in singapore again. I see that what you have stated is not a failure in our system but a inevitable result of our demographical constraints.
Let's apply the corporate america strategy here
1. Education : we need foreign talents, therefore there is a failure to train locals to attain the so called global competitive edge. Teachers are not happy.
point : Education minister's head needs to roll. Minister of Manpower and Minister of National Development have better evaluate the current and prospective job markets . Both deserve a huge pay cut
2. Sports - Singapore still lack the elusive Olympic medals despite importing "talents"
point : Minister of Sport's head needs to go. Minister for Manpower have better evaluate what type of talents we are importing or else he goes too.
You see that the lack of talent in here in Singapore is due to the failure in our education system. But didnt you know that most developed countries in the world not exclusively Singapore are also in the talenthunt race? Are you going to say that their education system fail as well and that their government are ought to be removed.
As i had said before that Singapore have talents in various fields but definately not ALL fields and therefore it is crucial for us, like many other countries, to import talents so as to make up the gap. Why is there not enough talents in some fields? Well i will be damm surprised for a country with 3.5million people to have talents in all fields while large countries like Australia and USA do not have. So how can be our education system at fault?
I agree with you that the top global talents will always go to the US or aussieland due to their depth over there. And what make that depth? The depth in those countries are either made by their local talents or in most case by local talents and pioneering foreign talents imported. I wont be surprised in the future, top foreign talents in certain fields will choose Singapore over the other countries like what u are seeing now in our Bio-medical research hub. And with that depth make in Singapore by our local and foreign talents, we will better able to train our next generation for that field. It is something like building an empire out of nothing and the limited local talents and the imported pioneering foreign talents will be our foundation. It is like without foreign talents for our SAF, you think we can be such a strong force now after building it from almost nothing?
U have further the argument to why despite the foreign talent, Singapore still cant get the medal. I will bring it back to what you say abt top talents going to countries with a field depth. You see, Singapore's sporting culture is still at infancy and certainly we lack of that depth. As u had said (which i agree) that because of the depth issue, we wont get the best global talent here. But is it so that our third class foreign sporting talent here is useless? I beg to differ. I find that it is anytime easy to train our local talents with foreign talents than training them with nothing at all. Our foreign talents scheme for sporting event is at infancy, give them some time to mature dude. So i wont say it is the minister's fault.
So i wont totally blame the govt for the foreign talent thingy. For your info, everything in our life are shaped by local and foreign talents. From our SAF to our economy to SIA to education system are by these people. It shows that foreign talents have been a stepping stone for them and i will put my bet on other developements. -
I will tell you how the american corporate system works.
U want to compare Singapore govt to corporate systems or to the American govt? Well, im telling you that it is 10times much easier for Singapore to fall then most MNCs and definately America. The consequence of a corruption in our govt is way tougher to most MNCs and definately a big country like America. -
Good points, foxtrout, but that still doesn't get around the fact that something's gone wrong with the system to create the dearth of local talent, and going by fymk's corporate comparison, quite a few ministers would have had to resign already. This goes back to fymk's central point about ministers being paid corporate-equivalent salaries, but without being exposed to the risk that corporate leaders face. Helluva sweet deal they've got.
You argue that not all fields are being covered by foreign talent - fair enough. However, if the number of fields and the associated foreign talents is large enough for the locals to make noise about it, doesn't that in itself say that that number is way too large?
With the number of Singaporeans studying overseas, wouldn't they have brought the foreign talents' knowledge back to Singapore with them? Why are they not doing it? Perhaps we should consider that the locals do indeed have the talent, but are being under-utilised by the powers that be. With such lack of recognition, fulfilment and plain decency, is it a wonder why we have enough of a brain-drain to induce the desperate "quitters" ploy?
Corporate leaders don't get to say, "Okay, I screwed up - let's start agin", because they are held accountable for the salaries that they are paid. For the money they get, ministers need to be answerable for their results or lack thereof, and saying, "Sure, there have been failures, but....." just doesn't cut it at that pay scale. -
hohoho, I am wondering when will singapore become empty with everybody gone downunder. The oz certainly need to tighten the immigration law otherwise with immigrants from China, vietnam, indonesia....hahaha, the asian will outnumber even the kangeroo. and what about the eastern european?? your oz mate is happy to let singaporean take perth as our backyard playground but not migrating there, and I am happy to keep it that way.Originally posted by Gedanken:Hey, you can natter all you want - unlike your buddy, I'm not going to tell you to shut up.
In fact, the more you talk, the more you show your ignorance. You don't see more people going to Oz or the US because they have quotas (you know, like your cars?) on migration - Australia has raised its entry requirements three times in the last seven years to make sure that they don't exceed the quota. Aw, gee - that just put a hole in your itsy-bitsy little theory, didn't it?
Here's another one: Singapore, on the other hand, is pretty much an immigration hussy these days, and that's why we've got all this noise about foreign talents. Ask yourself - does that girl have all those guys around her because she's popular, or because she's an easy lay?
Oh, I forgot - they don't teach you to think about what the numbers mean in these parts, don't they?
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Sigh.. another brainwashed opposition who have been brainwashed to think that everyone else is brainwashed. I wonder why I keep hearing this same old tune from people who oppose. I guess the only conclusion I can have is all these people are all brainwashed to say the exact same words.Originally posted by Gedanken:Talk about thoroughly brainwashed. -
Hmm, I see you don't read too well - I'll interpret my last post at a level you can understand:Originally posted by sgdiehard:hohoho, I am wondering when will singapore become empty with everybody gone downunder. The oz certainly need to tighten the immigration law otherwise with immigrants from China, vietnam, indonesia....hahaha, the asian will outnumber even the kangeroo. and what about the eastern european?? your oz mate is happy to let singaporean take perth as our backyard playground but not migrating there, and I am happy to keep it that way.
You go for girl because "she's an easy lay"? pathetic!! next time do it yourself.
The US and Australia have been tightening their migrations laws because TOO MANY people have been applying. Obviously, as you say,you don't see everybody in the world go to Australia or USA
but unlike your simplistic interpretation, it is because people are being turned away, not because too few people apply.
Singapore, on the other hand, seems to be letting everybody in. Even when the mainland Chinese come here and spit on Singaporeans, calling the locals stupid, Singapore insists on kissing ass. Now maybe you're so hard-pressed to get some, by in my book, that makes Singapore an easy lay.
Now, I hope that's in terms you can understand - maybe call Mommy to help you read it so you can understand it, because you got it arse-end-round on the last try. -
Well, why don't you read your buddy sgdiehard's post and decide for yourself who's so brainwashed he can even process information correctly?Originally posted by Qitai:Sigh.. another brainwashed opposition who have been brainwashed to think that everyone else is brainwashed. I wonder why I keep hearing this same old tune from people who oppose. I guess the only conclusion I can have is all these people are all brainwashed to say the exact same words.
Seriously, this thread has by and large contained free discourse, and to the extent that forumers of both sides have been allowed to put forward their points of view, it has reflected free speech - all kudos to those that have out their points forward in that spirit. However, when we hit the point of "Shut up, this is the way it is, and just go if you don't like it", we see the brainwashed intolerant-conformity element rear its ugly head. That's why I've said Thailand_Hero is brainwashed, but not foxtrout. -
If everybody is allowed to voice their view, then why can't Thailand_Hero? you are free to voice your opinion and why can't he has the freedom to express the way he likes?Originally posted by Gedanken:but unlike your simplistic interpretation, it is because people are being turned away, not because too few people apply.
Singapore, on the other hand, seems to be letting everybody in. Even when the mainland Chinese come here and spit on Singaporeans, calling the locals stupid, Singapore insists on kissing ass. Now maybe you're so hard-pressed to get some, by in my book, that makes Singapore an easy lay.
Now, I hope that's in terms you can understand - maybe call Mommy to help you read it so you can understand it, because you got it arse-end-round on the last try.
It is stupid and ignorant to compare Singapore with US and Auzi in the respective immigration policies. US is the nation of immigrants and Auzi started as a settlement for convicts from England. World's great immigrations started since 1820, and have always been into these two continents. Immigration rules in these two countries take into accounts many factors including rights of family union, asylum for those under persecution. In Singapore we only want a bigger population to build a credible domestic economy. But the island is only so small so there must be criteria. The attraction/opportunities and constrainsts are therefore very different.
Besides, the yankees and the ozis can hold dual citizenships while singaporean must denounce yr citizenship when you hold another passport. that makes a lot of difference for those who want to apply to migrate.
Mainland Chinese do not spit on Singaporeans, but some singaporeans think too highly of themselves, especially many of those who study in overseas universities.
In singapore we don't have everything, but we make do with what we have got. We are not happy with everything, including the government, but we are the one living here and we decide what we can accept or have to accept and what we don't.
If you are out, we welcome your comment but WE decide if your 2 cents comment is worthy of listening pleasure. So far, yours are arrogant expression of shit. -
Singapore not corrupted? Corruption happens OVER the table, in your face and we can't do a damn thing about it.Originally posted by Thailand_Hero:At least my country is not corrupt and i do not need to pay bribes to police officers.
One good example: Our public transportation.
PAP set up a monopoly, pretend to introduce competition by setting up a few companies(but controlled by close business associates) and then leech as much as possible -
This is like paying 10% service charge and don't have to pay tips whereas in the US you pay tips till you pok gai, sometimes 10% of enough sometimes you need 15%. Come back don't know how to claim such expenses, especially with bosses who never been to US.Originally posted by Blueray:Singapore not corrupted? Corruption happens OVER the table, in your face and we can't do a damn thing about it.
One good example: Our public transportation.
PAP set up a monopoly, pretend to introduce competition by setting up a few companies(but controlled by close business associates) and then leech as much as possible
Whether you pay as serve charge, tips or consider it bribe, we have to pay, but make sure we get what we want after we pay.