have you noticed? hidden agendas and conspiracies.
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that from young our textbooks are flooded with "PAP did this, PAP did that for us" messages? that our education system trains us to follow instructions without question? that the government "encourages" entrepreneurship and "innovation" but never actually does anything to support it? that singapore has never produced a single singapore-born tycoon or world famous celebrity? that singaporeans are not allowed to study at international schools? that the focus of our education system is always on subjects that demand absolute adhrerence to rules, restrictions and instructions such as math and science ?
by being trained to follow instructions without question, we are gradually brainwashed into becoming mindless robots who do not question or think too deeply. this makes it extremely for the PARTY to control us firmly without having to worry about us getting any funny ideas about them and getting influenced by all those "ang moh" ideas about freedom and human rights. the reason for not actually wanting to widely promote entrepreneurship? simple. when citizens start getting all creative and business-minded their companies slowly grow into huge mega-corporations that will challange PARTY policies, like how giant US corporations influence government decisions. by putting the jobs of singaporeans into the hands of foreign and PARTY owned enterprises, they PARTY can easily threaten people by using the "if you don't obey me i will sack you or encourage my foreign friends to sack you".
maybe i'm over-paranoid but this just popped up in my mind just reccently so i thought i'd share it with you guys. what are your opinions on this? -
nothing newOriginally posted by vito_corleone:that from young our textbooks are flooded with "PAP did this, PAP did that for us" messages? that our education system trains us to follow instructions without question? that the government "encourages" entrepreneurship and "innovation" but never actually does anything to support it? that singapore has never produced a single singapore-born tycoon or world famous celebrity? that singaporeans are not allowed to study at international schools? that the focus of our education system is always on subjects that demand absolute adhrerence to rules, restrictions and instructions such as math and science ?
by being trained to follow instructions without question, we are gradually brainwashed into becoming mindless robots who do not question or think too deeply. this makes it extremely for the PARTY to control us firmly without having to worry about us getting any funny ideas about them and getting influenced by all those "ang moh" ideas about freedom and human rights. the reason for not actually wanting to widely promote entrepreneurship? simple. when citizens start getting all creative and business-minded their companies slowly grow into huge mega-corporations that will challange PARTY policies, like how giant US corporations influence government decisions. by putting the jobs of singaporeans into the hands of foreign and PARTY owned enterprises, they PARTY can easily threaten people by using the "if you don't obey me i will sack you or encourage my foreign friends to sack you".
maybe i'm over-paranoid but this just popped up in my mind just reccently so i thought i'd share it with you guys. what are your opinions on this?
i am more worry abt the accountability of our country's reserves. -
We need transparency, accountability of our money in the CPF and GIC funds.We also need a more mature poltical apparatus that does not behave like small bullies redrawing the lines of the goal to suit their own needs.It's time we moved up and evolved one step higher and rely on substance, and not on superficialities, which I feel this nation uses as a fuel.
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Haha, totally agree! Each time textbooks are amended, more of such propaganda is added. Even "Twelfth Night" can soemhow becoem related to NE? Tell me how!Originally posted by vito_corleone:that from young our textbooks are flooded with "PAP did this, PAP did that for us" messages? that our education system trains us to follow instructions without question? that the government "encourages" entrepreneurship and "innovation" but never actually does anything to support it? that singapore has never produced a single singapore-born tycoon or world famous celebrity? that singaporeans are not allowed to study at international schools? that the focus of our education system is always on subjects that demand absolute adhrerence to rules, restrictions and instructions such as math and science ?
by being trained to follow instructions without question, we are gradually brainwashed into becoming mindless robots who do not question or think too deeply. this makes it extremely for the PARTY to control us firmly without having to worry about us getting any funny ideas about them and getting influenced by all those "ang moh" ideas about freedom and human rights. the reason for not actually wanting to widely promote entrepreneurship? simple. when citizens start getting all creative and business-minded their companies slowly grow into huge mega-corporations that will challange PARTY policies, like how giant US corporations influence government decisions. by putting the jobs of singaporeans into the hands of foreign and PARTY owned enterprises, they PARTY can easily threaten people by using the "if you don't obey me i will sack you or encourage my foreign friends to sack you".
maybe i'm over-paranoid but this just popped up in my mind just reccently so i thought i'd share it with you guys. what are your opinions on this? -
Can share the Twelfth Night part with all here?
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I think the establishment is fearful of a potential Singaporean MNC with a market captialization greater than our GDP and helmed by a founder with immense disagreements with the ruling party and the way things are run here.You just have to look at the Oei Hong Leong case to see.He pulls no punches and is very ramrod and does not deviate from his cause to get to the bottom of that fiasco,
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M&M Lee still around.
Melts your mouth not your hands. (Sometimes the brain.) -
Hohohoho.
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I still think that the name "Mentor Minister" very humourous,it is like a "clown" name or something.....Why some ppl rather be a "clown" n get mocked by the "spectators" than to entirely quit their post n enjoy their retirement life peacefully,i really dont understand.....
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Because not everyone is secure enough emotionally due to certain things they have done.Originally posted by drawer:I still think that the name "Mentor Minister" very humourous,it is like a "clown" name or something.....Why some ppl rather be a "clown" n get mocked by the "spectators" than to entirely quit their post n enjoy their retirement life peacefully,i really dont understand..... -
I think I remember it is called Minister Mentor.Originally posted by drawer:I still think that the name "Mentor Minister" very humourous,it is like a "clown" name or something.....Why some ppl rather be a "clown" n get mocked by the "spectators" than to entirely quit their post n enjoy their retirement life peacefully,i really dont understand..... -
MM sounds like the equivalent of a modern day Empress Dowager. someone rules at the front for show while another holds real power behind the scenes.
shhhhhhh.... -
SM Goh has been appearing often on the Government-biased medias lately.
They are probably using his popularity and gentleness to soften the established harsh, iron-fisted image of fast-becoming-unpopular PAP.
I am fairly confident the ground is unhappy, and this time around many angry betrayed-Singaporeans would translate their moods in the polling booths.
The beginning of the end of an absolute Socialist Democratic Government ? -
The PAP can never be voted out. Everyone here gives the PAP such high opinion in terms of quelling opposition and oppressing peasents, but the same people assumes that they will be thwarted by a simple vote?
If they are as ruthless as is portrayed in this thread, they will play around with the voting dates, milk the media to the max and magically change votes to their favour.
The Emperor and the prince will never allow power to leave their hands. -
I agree. They've been in power for almost 40 years already. Who's to stop them from holding on to power for the next 100?Originally posted by SilverPal:The PAP can never be voted out. Everyone here gives the PAP such high opinion in terms of quelling opposition and oppressing peasents, but the same people assumes that they will be thwarted by a simple vote?
If they are as ruthless as is portrayed in this thread, they will play around with the voting dates, milk the media to the max and magically change votes to their favour.
The Emperor and the prince will never allow power to leave their hands.
I feel that MM Lee should have retired upon handing over his SM position to SM Goh. However, it seems that he had no desire to do so. So the government or whoever had no choice but to invent the MM title to keep him in power. -
LOL!Deep sia!Well said!Originally posted by LazerLordz:Because not everyone is secure enough emotionally due to certain things they have done. -
PAP is conspiring to take over the world
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TK Han
We all know that - he never really gave up the PM seat.
It was his usual simple deceptive style that fooled the world and many 'wooden' Singaporeans.
Many treated him like a demi-god, called him the architect of Singapore. Actually he was'nt the chief architect behind Singapore's success story. It was Dr.Goh Keng Swee and others who did the thinking and creation that resulted in today's Singapore.
If he was that great GIC (he heads it) and Temasek should have made trillions by now. -
hahaz..indeed the creator of this thread is mildly paranoid.But in terms of possibility, the creater of modern singapore might have these thoughts cross their minds. Who wouldnt want a bunch of fools who react with instant command? Who wouldnt want to have easy control over people? If i say pee u pee, if i say poo u poo. hahaz.. nevertheless, you might be sued if you voice these out because the creator of this thread is only acting on his feelings but not on his prior studies on policy making.
You gotta becareful now. They might trace your computer and your address, eventually the ISA will arrest you for being crazy,mad and out of your mind. But don't worry, don't be embarrased. The public will only know someone committed sucide.hahahaha..Alright alright..
Well well, perhaps that there is such a possibility. Anyone who studies human psychology? Can address the problem of behavoir conditioning? -
i sense that big brother is watching...
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Whilst it may be true they have the means to investigate potential subversion, do you seriously think PAP is that free to trace every anti-PAP person in the internet?. Presently, there must be hundreds of anti-PAP web sites.
Unless you are a bigshot oppostion making libellious statements against PAP in the internet - or you are a threat to our country's security, dont worry too much.
This sort of scared mentality is infectious and if it becomes over-prevalent it will not help promote true democracy in Singapore.
It's like what many civil servants awere afraid of - this imagined threat from PAP Government.
So some civil servants reluctantly voted for PAP because in their shallow thinking they imagined the PM and his cabinet together with hundreds of government workers would sit down, after the election, go through the hundreds of thousands of votes, check and arrest or sack civil servants who didnt vote for them.
All that fear derived from the numbers in the ballot paper. Does anyone know of any policeman, postman, MOM clerk, Reg soldier who got sacked because he voted for the opposition?
It was an absolutely RUBBISH and childish fear!
What those silly people dont know is- no one can access the sealed ballot boxes after the election is declared over. They are securely locked up in the High Court vault. It can only be opened in the presence of all political parties.
And please dont come and tell me our Government can do this sort of thing.
They dont and they wont , its too risky - too many witnesses! -
Whilst it may be true they have the means to investigate potential subversion, do you seriously think PAP is that free to trace every anti-PAP person in the internet?. Presently, there must be hundreds of anti-PAP web sites.
Unless you are a bigshot oppostion making libellious statements against PAP in the internet - or you are a threat to our country's security, dont worry too much.
This sort of scared mentality is infectious and if it becomes over-prevalent it will not help promote true democracy in Singapore.
It's like what many civil servants were always afraid of - this imagined threat from PAP Government.
So some civil servants reluctantly voted for PAP because in their shallow thinking they imagined the PM and his cabinet together with hundreds of government workers would sit down, after the election, go through the hundreds of thousands of votes, check and arrest or sack civil servants who didnt vote for them.
All that fear derived from the numbers in the ballot paper. Does anyone know of any policeman, postman, MOM clerk, Reg soldier who got sacked because he voted for the opposition?
It was an absolutely RUBBISH and childish fear!
What those silly people dont know is- no one can access the sealed ballot boxes after the election is declared over. They are securely locked up in the High Court vault. It can only be opened in the presence of all political parties.
And please dont come and tell me our Government can do this sort of thing.
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Hi miong
You're wrong. The economic success of Singapore was not due to Dr Goh Keng Swee either but to one Dutchman called Dr Albert Winsemius. Maybe you could have missed out my posting on that. I now repost the article below:
Albert Winsemius, 'founding father' of Singapore
http://www.iias.nl/iiasn/iiasn9/soueasia/winsemiu.html
Thirty-five years ago, in the spring of 1960, Dr Albert Winsemius
arrived in Singapore - soon to become his second fatherland -- for
the first time in his life. He headed an international team of
experts in the field of development economics. A year earlier the
former British colony had become independent, and the government of
the young nation had asked the United Nations to invite Dr Winsemius,
the founding father of the Dutch post-war industrialization
programme, to help them to find out which chances the future would
offer to Singapore.
By Kees Tamboer
Dr Winsemius' first impression was anything but hopeful. "It was
bewildering," he remembers. "There were strikes about nothing. There
were communist-inspired riots almost every day and everywhere. In the
beginning one has to very careful about passing any judgement - one
does not know the country, one does not know the people, one does not
know the men and women who are trying to steer this rudderless ship.
But after a couple of months the pessimism within our commission
reached appalling heights. We saw how a country can be demolished by
unreal antitheses. The general opinion was: Singapore is going down
the drain, it is a poor little market in a dark corner of Asia."
Within a year, on 13 June 1961, the Winsemius team offered Singapore
a development plan. The final assessment was written by Winsemius
personally: 'Expectations and Reality' was his motto. This was
permeated with an emotional appeal for unity, a passionate warning
that time was running out if Singapore was not to sink away into the
mud. The gloom was not completely unrelieved, there was one bright
spot on the horizon: "In our opinion", wrote Winsemius, "Singapore
has the basic assets for industrialization. Her greatest asset is the
high aptitude of her people to work in manufacturing industries. They
can be ranked among the best factory workers in the world."
Shirts and Pyjamas
After delivering his development plan in the summer of 1961,
Winsemius became the chief economic adviser to the Singaporean
government. He held this function for almost twenty- five years, and
at no time was there ever any written contract. The collaboration was
based on mutual trust. Twice a year Winsemius flew to Singapore to
spend about a fortnight there - one time it was to help drafting the
plans for the coming year, the other time for checking and steering.
Part of the deal was that he would come immediately should the
government let him know that his help was needed at short notice,
which was, for instance, the case in 1965.
"When we started with the implementation of the first development
programme, Winsemius recalls, "I was convinced that a policy of
protection of the home market would come to nothing, because there
was almost no home market. I immediately advised them to try and form
an economic federation with Malaya. As soon as this aim was achieved,
I assumed, we would be able to move over to the next phase and try to
conquer a position on the world market. Four years later Singapore
was expelled from the Federation, and there were the signs of some
initial panic in the state. In my opinion there was no longer any
reason for such a reaction. On the contrary, this is the best day of
my life, I told my friends in Singapore, for in those first years of
development Singapore had proved that it was able to overcome
internal antithesis and to work together to build up a manufacturing
industry that would certainly be competitive in the long run."
Albert Winsemius distinguishes five main phases in the economic
development of Singapore.
"The first step", he explains, "was to set up low-value industries,
such as the production of shirts and pyjamas in factories in which
women could work. The contribution made by the women during the
initial years of industrialization has never really been properly
studied. This contribution can easily be underestimated. It was the
only manufacturing activity then with sufficient experience. The
sewing machines could be rented, and the girls and women had
experience in working with them. Therefore a very quick start was
possible in the field of shirts and underwear. This aspect of early
industrial development deserves more attention than it has received
so far."
Upgrading
The Separation in 1965 marked the beginning of the second phase. The
Housing and Development Board (HDB) started with an enormous building
programme, under the leadership of Mr. Howe Yoon Chong. "This was
very inspiring, people could see what was being achieved. On Sundays
fathers and mothers showed their children in what kind of new
dwellings they would live presently. In that same period we succeeded
in interesting, just as had happened in Holland fifteen years
earlier, big oil companies like Shell and Esso in establishing
refineries in Singapore.
The third phase was that we started as soon as possible with the
upgrading. Singapore became very active in promoting education for
technical jobs, especially for the electronics industry. In the
beginning it was quite a difficult job for me to convince people at
the top of the big Dutch electronics company Philips to set up
production plants in Singapore. I went to Eindhoven, where the
headquarters of Philips are situated, to warn them: you have to
hurry, I told them, otherwise there is a very real danger you will be
too late and then you will be sure to miss the boat in the growing
market of Southeast Asia. The result is that Philips is now one of
the big investors in Singapore and is doing a very fine job there.
The fourth phase was to make of Singapore an international financial
centre. Formerly the young state was bound to the English pound
sterling. I knew a Dutchman who had lived and worked in Singapore; he
was an employee of the Bank of America in London at that time. I
visited him and told him we wished to transform Singapore into a
financial centre for Southeast Asia within ten years. He told me it
could be done in three or four years. He took a globe and showed me a
gap in the financial market of the world. Trading, he explained,
starts at nine o'clock in the morning in Zurich in Switzerland. An
hour later London opens. When London closes, New York is already
open. After closing time on Wall Street, San Francisco on the
American west coast is still active. But as soon as San Francisco
closes, there is a gap of a couple of hours. This gap can be filled
by Singapore, should the government not shun taking some drastic
measures - such as cutting its links with the British pound.
Container harbour
And the fifth and last phase was that we transformed Singapore into a
centre of international traffic and transport. My advice was: build
an airport where the biggest aeroplanes can land and let everyone
know that they are welcome to land there. In other words, do not use
landing-rights to protect your own Singapore Airlines. They followed
this advice and it became a success. And thanks to this initiative
Singapore has become a tourist centre too, especially for short
stays. In the same vein, we started to construct a big container
harbour. In Holland I had been chairman of a committee to advise the
Dutch government on the problems to do with shipbuilding, so I had
some knowledge about what was going on in that world. I saw the
enormous growth of container transport between the United States and
Europe, concentrated initially in the harbour of Rotterdam. So I
advised the construction of a big container terminal in the harbour
of Singapore, taking the risk of overcapacity and unoccupancy during
the first years for granted. The advantage was evident: Singapore
would be the only harbour in the region with container facilities.
Nevertheless it was a hard job to convince the harbour authorities.
Only after a small conversation with the minister the decision could
no longer be postponed. Nowadays Singapore, after Rotterdam, has the
second largest container harbour in the world. That surely is
something of which to be proud."
"In my opinion", says Dr. Winsemius, "it would be next to impossible
to transplant the Singapore wonder elsewhere. I have experienced it
in other countries. I have given advices to the government of Greece
and, for five years, to the government of Portugal. It is senseless
to launch an economic development programme in a country which lacks
political stability and does not have a government that sticks to
that programme in the knowledge that, one day, it will be recognized
and rewarded by the voters."
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Are you guys going for the BBQ? Too bad I can't make it for I'll be going to Sabah to help a relative.
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Lol, maybe next time it's like this
God Of Ministers : Lee Kuan Yew
Minister Mentor : Goh Chok Tong
Senior Minister : Lee Hsien Loong
Prime Minister : God knows who.