Dropping birth rates
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A computer club? Why not? Start the initiative and set one up. That's all about being enterprising... for the love of the game! = )Originally posted by _Aaron_:Don't think they'll let me set one up. hmm~
I know... Technology is exactly like Fire, a double-edged sword.
What helps you can also harm you.
Guess all we can do is to expose our future generation to as much social interaction as possible, without overprotecting them.
Your motive of the club: to teach the students how to learn new computer programs!
Organize activites like lan parties! haha...
Well if the caveman didn't start the fire, will we be at this age? We needed fire to cook in order to survive... -
Don't want! Still want to travel and enjoy my life.Originally posted by _Aaron_:You! Its pple like you who're causing us trouble
Go have some kids if you can. Its for our future!
Don't you like kids? Don't you think they're cuuuuute? *psychos*
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See now you're coming to see what I was getting at.Originally posted by Qitai:Well, personally, I don't see falling birthrate as a problem at all since I am guilty of not starting a family too
Macroeconomic problem? Maybe. But having a family is a personal choice.
I was being blunt about it.
Its just that we live with the changes of an everchanging world and what suits our needs... you can't control mother nature
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Can be more blunt? I still don't get your point. Maybe I a bit dumbOriginally posted by :See now you're coming to see what I was getting at.
I was being blunt about it.
Its just that we live with the changes of an everchanging world and what suits our needs... you can't control mother nature -
I think birth rates are dropping because as more of the SG population become more educated, they want a better life for their kids! Lets face the harsh reality of SG.
In the "old" days, most parents don't care about how many kids they have cause they don't plan for their kids future! Nowadays it is different. With rising costs of living in Singapore, only RICH people can afford to have many kids. If an average family has many kids, most of them will lost out in life.
As the risk of sounding MCP, having gals are still okie since they will eventually get married off. But what about the boys. Lets face it! They will DEFINETELY lose out in SG. They got less chance to go better schools, some have to start work young, slog to pay for school fees etc! If they complain then some more WELL OFF citizens will just call them WHINERS and look down on them! Have more kids for what!!??? To let them SUFFER!?!?!
The FACT is that most families will only and can only afford one or two kids to be able to give them a proper advantage in life.
Children do not ask to be born into this world especially SG. My message to parents is that if you cannot afford it, then save them and yourself the grief.
Wanting to have many kids and expecting them to lead an average life does not cut it. Sooner or later, they will SEE the difference between the HAVES and the HAVE NOTS! -
This is a perfect example of how children, even teenagers and adults, expect everything in life to be given to them! Must have this have that... but must be given cannot even worked for... its a must have and have not...Originally posted by Xenthar:I think birth rates are dropping because as more of the SG population become more educated, they want a better life for their kids! Lets face the harsh reality of SG.
In the "old" days, most parents don't care about how many kids they have cause they don't plan for their kids future! Nowadays it is different. With rising costs of living in Singapore, only RICH people can afford to have many kids. If an average family has many kids, most of them will lost out in life.
As the risk of sounding MCP, having gals are still okie since they will eventually get married off. But what about the boys. Lets face it! They will DEFINETELY lose out in SG. They got less chance to go better schools, some have to start work young, slog to pay for school fees etc! If they complain then some more WELL OFF citizens will just call them WHINERS and look down on them! Have more kids for what!!??? To let them SUFFER!?!?!
The FACT is that most families will only and can only afford one or two kids to be able to give them a proper advantage in life.
Children do not ask to be born into this world especially SG. My message to parents is that if you cannot afford it, then save them and yourself the grief.
Wanting to have many kids and expecting them to lead an average life does not cut it. Sooner or later, they will SEE the difference between the HAVES and the HAVE NOTS!
Grow up, children all have a fair start with life, its just up to them to work hard for it. In the states, as soon as the kids turn 18, they're almost practically thrown out of the house to go work or study. No money to study, most students take up personal student grants or look for a scholarship, they work part time at night to pay rent and for food...
Here, you expect everything, must have and have nots right? -
True true. In Singapore, Children do not really have a fair start with life. Born with a golden spoon, you have maids taking care of you, tutors to guide you through everything, parents to shower you with toys, computers to provide you with games(uh, parents to supply computers first), etc.Originally posted by :This is a perfect example of how children, even teenagers and adults, expect everything in life to be given to them! Must have this have that... but must be given cannot even worked for... its a must have and have not...
Grow up, children all have a fair start with life, its just up to them to work hard for it. In the states, as soon as the kids turn 18, they're almost practically thrown out of the house to go work or study. No money to study, most students take up personal student grants or look for a scholarship, they work part time at night to pay rent and for food...
Here, you expect everything, must have and have nots right?
I tell you, if its possible to get a gf for them with money, they'll definately arrange it.
Everything is planned out for their children, so much so that they don't have their own life anymore, and then they start rebelling.
Uh, sidetracked. But on your quote...
The US cannot really be compared with SG in many levels. Here we are really are very conservative. Try calling your dad by your first name, and see if he whaps you.
The reason why they leave at 18 can also be attributed to the fact that lodging is generally cheaper and more available there? In Singapore, you should know how much it costs to get a flat ... unless you can find studio apartment for students or young adults lor. Its just not feasible over here. -
When I say fair start for children, you can give a child the best tutor, the best maid to look after the child, the best computer but if the child doesn't want to learn or study, there's nothing much you can do...Originally posted by _Aaron_:True true. In Singapore, Children do not really have a fair start with life. Born with a golden spoon, you have maids taking care of you, tutors to guide you through everything, parents to shower you with toys, computers to provide you with games(uh, parents to supply computers first), etc.
I tell you, if its possible to get a gf for them with money, they'll definately arrange it.
Everything is planned out for their children, so much so that they don't have their own life anymore, and then they start rebelling.
Uh, sidetracked. But on your quote...
The US cannot really be compared with SG in many levels. Here we are really are very conservative. Try calling your dad by your first name, and see if he whaps you.
The reason why they leave at 18 can also be attributed to the fact that lodging is generally cheaper and more available there? In Singapore, you should know how much it costs to get a flat ... unless you can find studio apartment for students or young adults lor. Its just not feasible over here.
Talking about gf, you want your parents to choose a gf for you??? If you're happy with that go ahead. You have the freedom to choose a gf, just up to you to go out and look for one.
US to SG, I was just taking about how the kids are more independent. Look you complain about oh I don't have this, I want this and that... but you just have to work for it. It is feasible, there are scholarships out there, there's cheap rent out there, if they really want to do so, they can do it instead of complaining about it...
Unless you're born into a royal family, but take Prince Charles heir to the throne, he too has worked and studied... everyone has to work in life... that gives us the right to choose our own path in life. -
Please. This post is not about me. i feel flamed =/Originally posted by :When I say fair start for children, you can give a child the best tutor, the best maid to look after the child, the best computer but if the child doesn't want to learn or study, there's nothing much you can do...
Talking about gf, you want your parents to choose a gf for you??? If you're happy with that go ahead. You have the freedom to choose a gf, just up to you to go out and look for one.
US to SG, I was just taking about how the kids are more independent. Look you complain about oh I don't have this, I want this and that... but you just have to work for it. It is feasible, there are scholarships out there, there's cheap rent out there, if they really want to do so, they can do it instead of complaining about it...
Unless you're born into a royal family, but take Prince Charles heir to the throne, he too has worked and studied... everyone has to work in life... that gives us the right to choose our own path in life.
The post that i just wrote about is what i feel parents are doing.
I'm sure US kids are more independant because they were brought up as such. For SG kids, we seem to be sheltering them a lot. Look at the recent fusses about schools. Lets not forget the incident about principal leaving cause tapped book on student's head?
It is feasible to move out i guess, but who, unless they are truly very independent, or dislike their parents very much so, would want to move out and start a new life ahead, alone?
Hmm, i think we've always been brought up depending on someone. I for sure, am definately not independent enough to want to move out so quick, and that's speaking from an average chinese family. -
I'm not talking about you. Just in general.Originally posted by _Aaron_:Please. This post is not about me. i feel flamed =/
The post that i just wrote about is what i feel parents are doing.
I'm sure US kids are more independant because they were brought up as such. For SG kids, we seem to be sheltering them a lot. Look at the recent fusses about schools. Lets not forget the incident about principal leaving cause tapped book on student's head?
It is feasible to move out i guess, but who, unless they are truly very independent, or dislike their parents very much so, would want to move out and start a new life ahead, alone?
Hmm, i think we've always been brought up depending on someone. I for sure, am definately not independent enough to want to move out so quick, and that's speaking from an average chinese family.
Yes I do agree its not customary for a child to leave home. But I do know of quite a few people who like or prefer to stay outside, of course with a room mate to share costs. -
Bingo!Originally posted by av98m:Some possible contributing factors for falling birth rate:
1. rising cost of living
- this includes cost of raising children including education, esp at the tertiary level.
2. fall in average income, less job security etc.
3. general uneasiness with regards to our future.
4. people have no time to look after children(too busy working)
1, 2, 3 and 4 are the factors. No. 4 not so much cuz you can find child care centres everywhere and they are subsidised, if the mother is working. -
think it's a societal evolution thingy. in the 60s, govt said dun have so many kids, work hard better, earn lots of money best. so the pple told their kids, when u grow up, must earn lots of money. that became the main focus. now govt says want to have kids. how? when we were young we were told to make lots of money, we weren't told to have kids.
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allow bigamy in singapore to arrest dropping birth rates.
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this post reminds me of the kid who never wiped his own arse till he was 13Originally posted by _Aaron_:Please. This post is not about me. i feel flamed =/
The post that i just wrote about is what i feel parents are doing.
I'm sure US kids are more independant because they were brought up as such. For SG kids, we seem to be sheltering them a lot. Look at the recent fusses about schools. Lets not forget the incident about principal leaving cause tapped book on student's head?
It is feasible to move out i guess, but who, unless they are truly very independent, or dislike their parents very much so, would want to move out and start a new life ahead, alone?
Hmm, i think we've always been brought up depending on someone. I for sure, am definately not independent enough to want to move out so quick, and that's speaking from an average chinese family.
anyway about sheltering our kids, i recently visited my old neighbourhood for a game of soccer, and i noticed that the swings are all gone, only left the stands, my first thought was "all broken?"
then i remembered what broken swings looked like when i was a kid
and i also remember that some dipshi.t parent wrote to the papers to complain about swings being dangerous and that they should be taken off
why can't these parents just lock up their kids or something, wouldn't that be safer? -
It's just too expensive and we're too poor to have kids.
Don't blame couples. And financial incentives don't help at
all - they essentially give out loans with huge interests to be paid
back later in life.
Having kids suxs.
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I think those who dun wanna have kids are just trying to piss the govt off in a way. All these years of paying for ERPs, COEs, GST, Income Taxes and 'One Party rules all' have made them bitter. High stress levels, poor economy also make them du lan liao.
By not giving birth to more babies, they wouldn't be providing further tax revenues to oil the MIW's machinery in years to come.