Chinese nationals: should we tighten restrictions?
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How old is Coolger? I always thought she was a teenager.Originally posted by ditzy:coolger, someone say you leh.
BTW, does this pic best resemble her? -
I am not going to answer anymore queries about coolger because this is going out of topic. Period.
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Oh that's interesting! Who were the first people then?Originally posted by oldbreadstinks:do you know that the chinese were not the first people in china? -
'Originally posted by mohanraj0085:just like in the US, who fear terrorist, we must also fear chinese nationals .... some can create trouble here ... like 'terrorists'
Dude, there is absolutely no way to distinguish a chinese from another chinese
other then the accent..
if you fear a chinese might create trouble..that means almost 80% of the singaporean population is potentially troublesome
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Why not we just follow what some "extremists" said?
Send all the chinese in singapore back to china,problem solved!
its like shooting ourselves in our own foot!
Everyone, regardless of race, language or religion, has a so-called might
"cause trouble"
Not just chinese national, those foreign construction workers, thai nationals..
fillipinos..
it is also wrong to assume that those "distant brethren" of ours could cause any trouble..
at most, murder or robbery..
Terrorists?
At least will kill hundreds of pple and car bomb..
at most? will crash a 747 into a swisshotel...
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we are now bad-mouthing the foreigners in SG becoz of the current bad economy... it's a natural thing... when jobs are aplenty and things are still rosy in SG during the 90s, we welcomed them with open arms...
BUT presently, due to this #$%#!!*$ economy we are experiencing hardships- unemployment, retrenchment, low depressed wages, the likes...
who to blame? The foreigners are quite likely to be scapegoats here, IMO, coz we havee to compete with them in an ever shrinking & competitive job market 
So human instincts dictate that we have to find somebody to blame
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Government shall review on those study mom "pei du ma ma". They shouldn't allow to be in spore and most of them using this excuse to come here to work(earn big money) and look look ans see see the world here.
China chinese sec student can come here and doesnt need "study mum" as they are big enough to take care themselves.
As for those pri student... i dont think its a good idea for them to comes here to study.... they shall wait until at Sec then only comes here and thus eliminating those so called "study mum" -
"Pei Du Mamas"-Nuff said.Wrong, wrong, wrong.
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Well, we can settle this privately, cant we?Originally posted by ditzy:I am not going to answer anymore queries about coolger because this is going out of topic. Period. -
A recent case: Forged certificate to cheat MOE, that school teacher from China.
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Confirm boh? MoE oso want to cheat. What is the world coming to these days?Originally posted by Watari:A recent case: Forged certificate to cheat MOE, that school teacher from China. -
Compared to the below case, it is really no big deal.Originally posted by Watari:A recent case: Forged certificate to cheat MOE, that school teacher from China.
http://english.people.com.cn/200202/01/eng20020201_89751.shtml -
i find it meaningless whenever someone said something like that.. it shows that some sg chinese still think of themselves as CHINESE and not SINGAPOREAN... sad..Originally posted by :I wonder if you guys forgot that the majority of chinese in Singapore came from China in the 1900s... -
Although is english term it get mixed up when we say chinese but in mandarin it is not. "Hua ren" mean all chinese regardless of from philipines, thai, spore, m'sia, taiwan or china.
But "zhong guo ren" mean mainland chinese.
Give the chinese nationals some times..... dont forgot they are under forbidden communist rulex more than 50 yrs. Thus we are 50yrs more liberal than them..... Give them some time to pickup...
In fact if sporean still got those "typical" thinking, when chinese nationals catches up with us in years time..... we will be "kao bian zhang/stand aside"
If you are thinking that you are sporean and not "hua ren/chinese" race, please go and bleach yourself to either super white or black, dig ur eyes and replace to blue or black. It is more sad these way.... u have forgotten your root.... please kill youself.... cos no matter what u do..... ur gene is still chinese. The only was to wash away or deny ur genes is kill yourself. -
Right..Our genes may be Chinese but our cultural and educational context will always be poles apart.Nature only plays one part, whatever environment you grow up in will determine your outlook, not the colour of your skin or any minute differences in your DNA.It's sickening to hear such bigoted comments that we are all Chinese and we behave the same way just because the colour of my fucking skin is yellow.Singaporean is my culture and my ethnicity.I am born in the Malay Archipelago and have grown up in a English speaking home, with Peranakan relatives and family.How do you reconcile this with a PRC national who has no knowledge of how to live with a different race, let alone seen one when he was a child?We are more cosmopolitan in the sense of racial immersion and this will and has always helped to determine how we see things.Clearly, the Chinks have a long way to go before they are mature people who can have subtlety in speech and mannerism.Originally posted by LittleTiger:Although is english term it get mixed up when we say chinese but in mandarin it is not. "Hua ren" mean all chinese regardless of from philipines, thai, spore, m'sia, taiwan or china.
But "zhong guo ren" mean mainland chinese.
Give the chinese nationals some times..... dont forgot they are under forbidden communist rulex more than 50 yrs. Thus we are 50yrs more liberal than them..... Give them some time to pickup...
In fact if sporean still got those "typical" thinking, when chinese nationals catches up with us in years time..... we will be "kao bian zhang/stand aside"
If you are thinking that you are sporean and not "hua ren/chinese" race, please go and bleach yourself to either super white or black, dig ur eyes and replace to blue or black. It is more sad these way.... u have forgotten your root.... please kill youself.... cos no matter what u do..... ur gene is still chinese. The only was to wash away or deny ur genes is kill yourself.
Roots will never be forgotten, but no one wants to dig them up and give them a bear hug.Perhaps you might want to try it?Let's see how opening up closets of old skeletons might please you.Human culture moves forward, so we should stop bickering over origins and focus on where we will end up.I pray that China will become a more gracious nation, someone able to work alongside and not be a brutish or a loutish state.Right now, they need to work hard, very hard. -
Are we any better?Originally posted by LazerLordz:How do you reconcile this with a PRC national who has no knowledge of how to live with a different race, let alone seen one when he was a child?We are more cosmopolitan in the sense of racial immersion and this will and has always helped to determine how we see things.Clearly, the Chinks have a long way to go before they are mature people who can have subtlety in speech and mannerism.
Have u ever seen the behaviour of singaporeans overseas?
One of our common traits which I've personally seen once too many... kapo whatever can kapo from the hotel room they stay... if they can bring the furniture home, they will cos they think that they have paid for it just from paying a few night's stay... are we that glamorous then?
when our compatriots are overseas in restaurants, especially when in groups... they'll talk and laugh so bloody loud it can be heard almost the whole restautants... when you tell them to mellow down, they'll give you the kind of look like they own the damn restaurants... so here again, are we that gracious?
The number of cases of maid abuse in S'pore is staggering. It really makes people from outside of Singapore wonder what kind of people we Singaporeans are...
So please don't be a pot calling the kettle black.
You are implying that PRC nationals cannot get along with people of different nationalities and races which is simply INCORRECT. If that's the case, why are there more and more foreigners emigrating to China? You should look at these:
http://www.muninn.net/blog/archives/000229.html
http://www.info.gov.hk/gia/general/200405/14/0514131.htm
http://www.bjreview.com.cn/200440/Nation-200440(C).htm
http://www.washingtonpost.com/ac2/wp-dyn/A14284-2001Apr27?language=printer -
As LKY mentioned in his memoirs,Originally posted by LazerLordz:Right..Our genes may be Chinese but our cultural and educational context will always be poles apart.Nature only plays one part, whatever environment you grow up in will determine your outlook, not the colour of your skin or any minute differences in your DNA.It's sickening to hear such bigoted comments that we are all Chinese and we behave the same way just because the colour of my fucking skin is yellow.Singaporean is my culture and my ethnicity.I am born in the Malay Archipelago and have grown up in a English speaking home, with Peranakan relatives and family.How do you reconcile this with a PRC national who has no knowledge of how to live with a different race, let alone seen one when he was a child?We are more cosmopolitan in the sense of racial immersion and this will and has always helped to determine how we see things.Clearly, the Chinks have a long way to go before they are mature people who can have subtlety in speech and mannerism.
Roots will never be forgotten, but no one wants to dig them up and give them a bear hug.Perhaps you might want to try it?Let's see how opening up closets of old skeletons might please you.Human culture moves forward, so we should stop bickering over origins and focus on where we will end up.I pray that China will become a more gracious nation, someone able to work alongside and not be a brutish or a loutish state.Right now, they need to work hard, very hard.
a Chinese island in a Malay Archipelago?
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Nowadays got China whiz kids stealing the limelight. Rather have the Indian ones instead. Less of a threat.
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A more positive way of solving problem is to overcome rather than to avoid or deny it.Originally posted by SBS9611D:Nowadays got China whiz kids stealing the limelight. Rather have the Indian ones instead. Less of a threat.
LazerLordz, "chinks" is a derogatory term and definitely doesn't show any subtlety in opinion. -
Enough said about Foreign Talents - particularly China ones.
I feel that our government should put a cap or limit ceiling on the number and types of Foreign Talents coming into Singapore. Look at the number of non-skilled workers, and the multitude of fraudsters and con-artists coming in from China! Some, or rather, quite a number of them are here for jobs that didn't last, and they resort to either overstaying, or compete in our already "sick" employment scene.
Personally, while some Singaporeans may be choosy, but I strongly believe that most aren't choosy - they simply could not accept low paying jobs BECAUSE of Singapore's High Cost of Living!
How could anyone, ever hope to support a family (children, aged parents, and household) with S$1500 salary??? EVen if you cut down to just bread and water, it is still barely sufficient!
And so because our locals aren't having enough babies, the government now encourages and welcomes foreigners to "integrate" and generally boost population. So, from Foreign Talents, we now also have Foreign Babies. And to show that our government have become "flexible", they have opened their sights on Casinos in SIngapore - as this brings in the tourist dollars, but considers the social ills that gambling brings to society here as insignificant, because other countries like the UK, are precieved to have been coping "reasonably well".
It's all revenue centered. Not people centered. Money first, people take the back seat.
As such, how do we retain capable Singaporeans who have the means and abilities to fly elsewhere for bigger, better, greener pastures? When will THEY listen to us all??? When it's all too late perhaps?? -
Well there are more and more Singaporeans who will prey on workers and tourists from China so I guess we break even.Originally posted by ShutterBug:Look at the number of non-skilled workers, and the multitude of fraudsters and con-artists coming in from China!
http://english.people.com.cn/200202/01/eng20020201_89751.shtml
http://www.cqcb.com/gb/map/2004-10/30/content_385980.htm -
Regardless of who is the more predatory nation, I am in favor of a selective migration policy which requires a means test, placing the onus on the employers and the industry to prove that they cannot hire a Singaporean with that required skill before being allowed to hire a foreigner to do the job.We should also streamline our PR policy and those who wish to apply for PR must have stayed here for a minimum of 5 years, with 3 of those years having been on an employment pass.Originally posted by Blueray:Well there are more and more Singaporeans who will prey on workers and tourists from China so I guess we break even.
http://english.people.com.cn/200202/01/eng20020201_89751.shtml
http://www.cqcb.com/gb/map/2004-10/30/content_385980.htm
Direct immigration should be restricted to the above and prospective applicants must possess a tertiary education.We cannot let any Tom, Dick and Harry just walk in and get citizenship or PR like ants running to sugar.Mediocre migrants are redundant, especially with our local population already suffering from a high unemployment rate.
Labour may be mobile, but that is only restricted to lower-level industries like manufacturing.We are held hostage to labor costs because we refuse to take the step up and move away from manufacturing as our prevalent sector.
Think about it.Why should I let a foreigner into my nation to take the job of a local who has been subsidised by the state in education?I'd be better off throwing money down the drain.Beware, no state has ever survived when its majority feel that they have no stake or ownership in their country.Benefits, not flaws.Wake up people..
