casinos, all please read.
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i just came back from a US trip, including las vegas and boy u should really see what kind of money casinos bring in. LV is in the middle of the desert and they build man made rivers, lakes and grand and modern structures beyond our wildest imaginations. to add on to that, when i arrived at vegas airport the carpark was full of stretch limos..yes stretch limos..they're like 2 mercedes put together and tens of them were parked at the airport carpark. every casino/hotel has a few limos to pick up gamblers and there are even stretch humvees..6 or 7 doors long. the Venetian hotel and casino is probably much more grand that the actual rotting Venice. luxor, or is it luxxor? has a bloody beam of light that shines up into the sky, so powerful that even on a clear night while taking off from LA, passengers can see the beam of light..hey nevada to california..thats a fukked powerful light! imagine how much money we could generate if we build our own vegas? who gives a crap about your darned morals, if you're so moral go live in amish land or something. morality brings about poverty. capitalism brings about prosperity. i dont know about you guys but i choose prosperity.
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Is the opposite of morality, captalism? I dun think so. What u wanted to say is this:Originally posted by vito_corleone:morality brings about poverty. capitalism brings about prosperity. i dont know about you guys but i choose prosperity.morality brings about poverty. immorality brings about prosperity. i dont know about you guys but i choose prosperity.
Since u choose prosperity, an immoral job like a gigolo suits u.
Anyway, to be wealthy doesn't mean one has to forsake morality, right? Or else, you mean all those ppl who get rich are immoral? -
yes. lets ake singapore for an example. its corruption free right? and you dont see any singapore billionaires. ok now lets take indonesia for example. corrupt government but u see quite a few billionaires(yes they're in cahoots with the gov). u can never get rich in a clean country because once you do the gov will start to find ways to tax and pilfer your wealth.Originally posted by SnowFlag:Since u choose prosperity, an immoral job like a gigolo suits u.
Anyway, to be wealthy doesn't mean one has to forsake morality, right? Or else, you mean all those ppl who get rich are immoral? -
From Forbes, Singapore has 5 billionaires, like Kwek Leng Beng, banker Wee Cho Yaw etc. Also note that Singapore's poor isn't as poor as Indonesia.Originally posted by vito_corleone:yes. lets ake singapore for an example. its corruption free right? and you dont see any singapore billionaires.
Some of the Richest Man in the WorldOriginally posted by vito_corleone:ok now lets take indonesia for example. corrupt government but u see quite a few billionaires(yes they're in cahoots with the gov). u can never get rich in a clean country because once you do the gov will start to find ways to tax and pilfer your wealth.
Bill Gates (Software)
Net Worth: $46.6 billion
Country: United States
Rank: 1
Warren Buffett (Investment)
Net Worth: $42.9 billion
Country: United States
Rank: 2
Karl Albrecht (Supermarket)
Net Worth: $23 billion
Country: Germany
Rank: 3
Prince Alwaleed Bin Talal Alsaud
Net Worth: $21.5 billion
Country: Saudi Arabia
Rank: 4
Paul Allen (Microsoft co-founder)
Net Worth: $21 billion
Country: United States
Rank: 5
Alice Walton (Wal-Mart)
Net Worth: $20 billion
Country: United States
Rank: 6
and more. So do these ppl get rich because of a corrupted government? -
ok in case u dont know...kwek leng beng is a MALAYSIAN. and that prince guy is part of the royal family ruling SA. the governments of the countries of the top billionaires aren't very corrupt...but they're not clean either. and yes they get rich because of government connections. do your homework, buddy.Originally posted by SnowFlag:Some of the Richest Man in the World
Bill Gates (Software)
Net Worth: $46.6 billion
Country: United States
Rank: 1
Warren Buffett (Investment)
Net Worth: $42.9 billion
Country: United States
Rank: 2
Karl Albrecht (Supermarket)
Net Worth: $23 billion
Country: Germany
Rank: 3
Prince Alwaleed Bin Talal Alsaud
Net Worth: $21.5 billion
Country: Saudi Arabia
Rank: 4
Paul Allen (Microsoft co-founder)
Net Worth: $21 billion
Country: United States
Rank: 5
Alice Walton (Wal-Mart)
Net Worth: $20 billion
Country: United States
Rank: 6
and more. So do these ppl get rich because of a corrupted government? -
I am against casino because I think it will not be economically viable.
People look at Las Vegas and Atlantis as examples to think it is a sure win. Is it that simple? Just build a casino and they will come and fatten S'pore with easy money? Does S'pore have the X-factors/formula to do it? Who can answer the question? What are the macro longer factors that determine if the casino will be profiting S'pore? Who can answer the question?
If the cansino builder can promise at least $500 millions in gambling tax each year for next 10 years and no local earn less than $500K per year can go in, fine. I will have no objection. If no one dare to make this promise, then we better think again if it is a sure win.Originally posted by vito_corleone:i just came back from a US trip, including las vegas and boy u should really see what kind of money casinos bring in. LV is in the middle of the desert and they build man made rivers, lakes and grand and modern structures beyond our wildest imaginations. to add on to that, when i arrived at vegas airport the carpark was full of stretch limos..yes stretch limos..they're like 2 mercedes put together and tens of them were parked at the airport carpark. every casino/hotel has a few limos to pick up gamblers and there are even stretch humvees..6 or 7 doors long. the Venetian hotel and casino is probably much more grand that the actual rotting Venice. luxor, or is it luxxor? has a bloody beam of light that shines up into the sky, so powerful that even on a clear night while taking off from LA, passengers can see the beam of light..hey nevada to california..thats a fukked powerful light! imagine how much money we could generate if we build our own vegas? who gives a crap about your darned morals, if you're so moral go live in amish land or something. morality brings about poverty. capitalism brings about prosperity. i dont know about you guys but i choose prosperity. -
kwek leng beng is Singaporean. His brother kwek leng chan who is also a billionaire is Malaysian.Originally posted by vito_corleone:ok in case u dont know...kwek leng beng is a MALAYSIAN. and that prince guy is part of the royal family ruling SA. the governments of the countries of the top billionaires aren't very corrupt...but they're not clean either. and yes they get rich because of government connections. do your homework, buddy. -
ever read that for every dollar that the casinos bring in, the authorities pay $2 to $3 to combat the crime, vice and sleaze that the casinos attract?
then there's the social impact...
don't be taken in by just the bottom line.. for there is more that just the bottom line if you wanna look properly..
chances are, you'll be making a tremendous loss, and at the expense of the society too! -
According to Forbes 2004 list, there is only one Indonesian billionaire - Rachman Halim & family with networth 2.6 Billion.Originally posted by vito_corleone:yes. lets ake singapore for an example. its corruption free right? and you dont see any singapore billionaires. ok now lets take indonesia for example. corrupt government but u see quite a few billionaires(yes they're in cahoots with the gov). u can never get rich in a clean country because once you do the gov will start to find ways to tax and pilfer your wealth.
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Profile of Prince Alwaleed Bin Talal Alsaud 4 according to Forbes. Does not seems to exactly decribe one who got his wealth from corruption.Originally posted by vito_corleone:ok in case u dont know...kwek leng beng is a MALAYSIAN. and that prince guy is part of the royal family ruling SA. the governments of the countries of the top billionaires aren't very corrupt...but they're not clean either. and yes they get rich because of government connections. do your homework, buddy.
47 , self made
Source: investments
Net Worth: $21.5 bil
Country of citizenship: Saudi Arabia
Residence: Riyadh, Saudi Arabia
Industry: Investments
Marital Status: married , 2 children
Menlo College, Bachelor of Arts / Science
Syracuse University, Master of Science
The jet-setting prince is transforming himself into a businessman-cum-political-activist. Sure, he's still got his $10 billion stake in Citigroup. But in Saudi Arabia this nephew of the king has called for a range of reforms: elections, women's rights and job creation. And he's publicly criticized the state-owned oil company, Saudi Aramco. Plus, he's a vocal supporter of the U.S.—and has set up centers at universities in Cairo and Beirut to teach the American political system. On his latest spin through the U.S., in January, he met with former U.S. Presidents Carter, Clinton and Bush to talk about what he calls "narrowing the gap between the U.S. and Saudi Arabia." -
anyway, i am doing some cleaning up down here, there are too many casino topics. So i will be closing all except one. Thank you.
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he is MALAYSIAN BORNOriginally posted by Qitai:kwek leng beng is Singaporean. His brother kwek leng chan who is also a billionaire is Malaysian. -
Originally posted by Qitai:
not corruption but GOVERNMENT CONNECTIONS. where do u think he got the money to invest? where do u think he got the freedom to go ahead with such stuff in a strict muslim country? where do u think he got the backing to go ahead to make all his investments?
Profile of Prince Alwaleed Bin Talal Alsaud 4 according to Forbes. Does not seems to exactly decribe one who got his wealth from corruption.
47 , [b]self made
Source: investments
Net Worth: $21.5 bil
Country of citizenship: Saudi Arabia
Residence: Riyadh, Saudi Arabia
Industry: Investments
Marital Status: married , 2 children
Menlo College, Bachelor of Arts / Science
Syracuse University, Master of Science
The jet-setting prince is transforming himself into a businessman-cum-political-activist. Sure, he's still got his $10 billion stake in Citigroup. But in Saudi Arabia this nephew of the king has called for a range of reforms: elections, women's rights and job creation. And he's publicly criticized the state-owned oil company, Saudi Aramco. Plus, he's a vocal supporter of the U.S.—and has set up centers at universities in Cairo and Beirut to teach the American political system. On his latest spin through the U.S., in January, he met with former U.S. Presidents Carter, Clinton and Bush to talk about what he calls "narrowing the gap between the U.S. and Saudi Arabia."
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name me one that was born in singapore or made his money here.Originally posted by Qitai:According to Forbes 2004 list, there is only one Indonesian billionaire - Rachman Halim & family with networth 2.6 Billion.
Singapore has 5. Malaysia also has 5. -
He is older than Singapore. If you consider that, even Mr. Goh is Malaysian Born.Originally posted by vito_corleone:he is MALAYSIAN BORN -
They are all older than Singapore. They made their money everywhere including Singapore which generates a huge portion of their asset. Most of them are bankers.Originally posted by vito_corleone:name me one that was born in singapore or made his money here. -
the singapore market was never enough to generate billions. most made their billions from investments in countries like malaysia or somewhere else. lets take singapore as another example. the only singapore company that is worth billions is temasek( ok whatever screw the spelling) and its government owned..no other singapore corporation has been able to push up its worth to above 1 billion.Originally posted by Qitai:They are all older than Singapore. They made their money everywhere including Singapore which generates a huge portion of their asset. Most of them are bankers. -
by GNP per capita yes we're richer but my GNP we're one of the poorest in the world. most of indo is poor but its the wealthy few with gov connections which generate most of the wealth. even in singapore..the average singaporean makes only about 1500 to 2000 a month and yet our GNP per capita is roughly S$50,000..who made this possible? government connected persons who control the T company.Originally posted by SnowFlag:Some of the Richest Man in the World
Bill Gates (Software)
Net Worth: $46.6 billion
Country: United States
Rank: 1
Warren Buffett (Investment)
Net Worth: $42.9 billion
Country: United States
Rank: 2
Karl Albrecht (Supermarket)
Net Worth: $23 billion
Country: Germany
Rank: 3
Prince Alwaleed Bin Talal Alsaud
Net Worth: $21.5 billion
Country: Saudi Arabia
Rank: 4
Paul Allen (Microsoft co-founder)
Net Worth: $21 billion
Country: United States
Rank: 5
Alice Walton (Wal-Mart)
Net Worth: $20 billion
Country: United States
Rank: 6
and more. So do these ppl get rich because of a corrupted government? -
You have 5 billionaires to prove that wrong regardless of where they are born. They stay here and they are subjected to Singapore law and are still billionaires.Originally posted by vito_corleone:u can never get rich in a clean country because once you do the gov will start to find ways to tax and pilfer your wealth.
Also, your statement seems to imply it is better to live in a country where the government is not clean?
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And your point is?Originally posted by vito_corleone:the singapore market was never enough to generate billions. most made their billions from investments in countries like malaysia or somewhere else. lets take singapore as another example. the only singapore company that is worth billions is temasek( ok whatever screw the spelling) and its government owned..no other singapore corporation has been able to push up its worth to above 1 billion. -
that it is impossible to make billions in singapore alone and that those who do have government connections.Originally posted by Qitai:And your point is? -
Even if you do not have connection, you will be connected due to your wealth. This applies everywhere.Originally posted by vito_corleone:that it is impossible to make billions in singapore alone and that those who do have government connections.
E.g. Sim Wong Foo did not have government connection when he first gain his success, but the government sure knows him very well now. -
closed. Mod spring cleaning. Please use the one opened by uncle goh thank you.