You want Casino?
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It is strange indeed. Nobody in his right mind would want their children to be gamblers but there are people who would support Casino!
Never mind about that. For those who want a casino here, have you done your research thoroughly? Don't just write off "social cost" so easily; PAP knows they could not argue against the apparent high "social cost", thus, they just say it is not about social cost vs economic gains. That's cool and neat but simply put it, they are just sweeping the dirt below the carpet!
Of course, with a twist, they say it is about OUR MATURITY as a society! Cool. Nobody wants to be seen as "immature" and not agreeing to have a Casino would be seen as "IMMATURE"! Hahaha. That's strange. If you know the odds of losing in a casino, any MATURE human being will not be visiting the casino! Then, the most important question to ask is, why have a casino in the very first place to hoodwink those "IMMATURE" ones?
I would suggest for those who thinks Casino could bring in all the monies, do some research first. Try to do a search on googles with "NGISC", short form for "National Gambling Impact Studies Commission". This is a study commissioned by the world's most liberal govt on earth, USA. See for yourselves what's in it for us if we go ahead with a casino.
And strategically speaking, we will all become suckers in the end of the day. I will touch on this later.
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i think i see 283645687 threads on Casino here
can't u all jus contribute neatly to 1 thread so as to keep the discussion focused?
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u really tink it's up to us to decide?
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the same goes to those threads on FireIce?Originally posted by FireIce:i think i see 283645687 threads on Casino here
can't u all jus contribute neatly to 1 thread so as to keep the discussion focused? 
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Originally posted by SnowFlag:the same goes to those threads on FireIce?
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Don't ever underestimate your "POWER"!Originally posted by Poopie-Head:u really tink it's up to us to decide?
One individual's "Power" may be limited, but when many more adding up, that's formidable. PAP fears you more than you fear them.
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as usual, no matter wat we say.. does it really matter to them?
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It does. Recall the case a widow fought to get CPF pay off the insurance of her dead husband so she could keep her 4rm flat. The public were upset by how CPF handled the claim and at the end CPF paid. Recall the initial solution to CTE jam was more ERP. The upset drivers made enough noise to make LTA change the plan.
This casino issue is one of the non-political yet socially significant topic that touch many people's concern. This may be the one thing that will connect all social sectors and spark the civil right movement in S'pore.
While the Gov argues that it is for the individuals in this mature society to decide whether they want to gamble at home, it is also for the individuals in this mature society to decide whether they want to raise their families in a society that makes money out of casino. Now it become a person's individual rights vs another person's individual rights. In democratic society, it is settled by the majority will.
Even with all the reports and consultations made, the real debate on the casino issue has not started yet.
[quote]Originally posted by hopy:
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We can have a casino but nobody is pointing a gun at you to ask you to gamble. But really who cares at least some singaporean guy mebbe a broke retiree gets a job and new lease of life and the foreign investor foots the bill if the investment sours.Originally posted by goh meng seng:It is strange indeed. Nobody in his right mind would want their children to be gamblers but there are people who would support Casino!
Never mind about that. For those who want a casino here, have you done your research thoroughly? Don't just write off "social cost" so easily; PAP knows they could not argue against the apparent high "social cost", thus, they just say it is not about social cost vs economic gains. That's cool and neat but simply put it, they are just sweeping the dirt below the carpet!
Of course, with a twist, they say it is about OUR MATURITY as a society! Cool. Nobody wants to be seen as "immature" and not agreeing to have a Casino would be seen as "IMMATURE"! Hahaha. That's strange. If you know the odds of losing in a casino, any MATURE human being will not be visiting the casino! Then, the most important question to ask is, why have a casino in the very first place to hoodwink those "IMMATURE" ones?
I would suggest for those who thinks Casino could bring in all the monies, do some research first. Try to do a search on googles with "NGISC", short form for "National Gambling Impact Studies Commission". This is a study commissioned by the world's most liberal govt on earth, USA. See for yourselves what's in it for us if we go ahead with a casino.
And strategically speaking, we will all become suckers in the end of the day. I will touch on this later.
Goh Meng Seng
Nobody in their right mind would want their children to be gamblers you're right or are you forgetting that there are thousands of gamblers of all ages(including mebbe yur relatives and mine) in our neighbourhoods who buy 4D and toto every week from singapore pool outlet, and we have condone those activities for decades .. So are those not gambling? Shall we stop everything, the racetrack the stock exchange
You can't point a gun to someone to ask him to gamble, neither can you do it to stop him from gambling.
So wats the point of talking & talking abt this over & over again. It's already decided just let it be. -
Comparing 4D, toto with Casino is like comparingOriginally posted by KumSioJui:are you forgetting that there are thousands of gamblers of all ages(including mebbe yur relatives and mine) in our neighbourhoods who buy 4D and toto every week from singapore pool outlet, and we have condone those activities for decades
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frankly... u r not removing gambling from our society even if the casino is banned. There r singapore pool, turf club, betting on soccer, cruise ships, genting and mahjong in singapore. People gamble... especially chinese... I don't like my children to be gambler but sadly, even my father do gamble on 4 D or big sweep.
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It is never about ourselves. We are considering the social ills affecting others, not about ourselves.Originally posted by KumSioJui:We can have a casino but nobody is pointing a gun at you to ask you to gamble.
There is more to it. Broken families? If your parents likes to go there to gamble, u want? BTW, foreign investors aren't stupid to waste their huge investment de.Originally posted by KumSioJui:But really who cares at least some singaporean guy mebbe a broke retiree gets a job and new lease of life and the foreign investor foots the bill if the investment sours.
The issue on the stock exchange has been discussed in another thread. Stock Exchange isn't a casino.Originally posted by KumSioJui:Shall we stop everything, the racetrack the stock exchange 
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xiao du qin jia dang changOriginally posted by stupidissmart:frankly... u r not removing gambling from our society even if the casino is banned. There r singapore pool, turf club, betting on soccer, cruise ships, genting and mahjong in singapore. People gamble... especially chinese... I don't like my children to be gambler but sadly, even my father do gamble on 4 D or big sweep.
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In the past, if a person suffer heavy losses n owns the casino lots of money, the person can return to singapore n the foreign casino can do nothing to him/her.
If a casino can operate in singapore, singapore will need to change its laws so that whoever owns casino money in anywhere of the world, must pay up. No more escape liao -
snowflag wat bird toking u? isn't that 4D and toto not gambling?Originally posted by SnowFlag:Comparing 4D, toto with Casino is like comparing
house cat with lion
Then CAO share debacle with USD550million overnight gambling losses when compares to casino is wat Goliath and a house Lion, ban the stock exchange then since it's so dangerous. -
For gamblers who wanted a casino in singapore, the above is one reason not to have casinos in singapore.Originally posted by SnowFlag:In the past, if a person suffer heavy losses n owns the casino lots of money, the person can return to singapore n the foreign casino can do nothing to him/her.
If a casino can operate in singapore, singapore will need to change its laws so that whoever owns casino money in anywhere of the world, must pay up. No more escape liao -
actually a lot of countries like malaysia had gambling resorts. They do not suddenly become the old shanghai tang and everyone become gambling addicts...
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Did I ever say 4D and toto isn't not gambling?Originally posted by KumSioJui:snowflag wat bird toking u? isn't that 4D and toto not gambling?
House Cat & lion belongs to the cat family.
CAO's losses isn't caused by stocks n shares. They speculated in the futures market instead of hedging in the futures market.Originally posted by KumSioJui:Then CAO share debacle with USD550million overnight gambling losses when compares to casino is wat Goliath and a house Lion, ban the stock exchange then since it's so dangerous. -
Just to add that Malaysia is a much bigger country, less dense than singapore.Originally posted by stupidissmart:actually a lot of countries like malaysia had gambling resorts. They do not suddenly become the old shanghai tang and everyone become gambling addicts... -
xiao du qin jia dang chang
my father has xiao du. Am I now qin jia dang chang ? I thoguht about 30% of singaporean do gamble regularly such as toto, 4D, soccer, jackpot or turf. So these 30% qin jian dang chang meh... Frankly the casino can also aimed to get tourist money. It may make u better off.. .
da du jia po ren wangIn the past, if a person suffer heavy losses n owns the casino lots of money, the person can return to singapore n the foreign casino can do nothing to him/her.
I not very sure but I don't think the casino lend people any money in the first place. U got to use your money and buy the chips before u can gamble isn't it ? The one who lend money is probably some illegal money lender... -
why do u classify casino as tiger while 4D as cat ? U can bet 1 million dollars at 4D too isn't it ? How do u classify horse racing and soccer betting ? It can make people jian po ren wang too isn't it ?
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Just to add that Malaysia is a much bigger country, less dense than singapore
tat doesn't means anything. So in short u r suggesting only big countries have casino while small countries cannot ???? -
yes but people speculated on these shares, so speculation is a form of gambling.Originally posted by SnowFlag:CAO's losses isn't caused by stocks n shares. They speculated in the futures market instead of hedging in the futures market.
want to ban casino, then ban all forms of gambling otherwise what you have is double standards. nobody going to listen when you practice double standards.
btw CAO losses were caused because they were overleveraged on their hedged positions not because they did not hedge, so we should ban the futures market here as well huh and close down all these morally evil institutions put several thousands out of jobs ... hmm good idea. -
Those bought the stock were doing investment, Temasek included. They were not gambling.
Ask the govn why they allowed 4D and Toto but banned casino for so long. Isn't the gov being illogical if your view that casino is no different from 4D and Toto.
Check out the facts, they are different kind of games and the casino has more evil with it. The govn knows it all, that is why they say they need safeguards to contain the social ills. See, no safeguards for 4D and Toto. Do your research.Originally posted by KumSioJui:snowflag wat bird toking u? isn't that 4D and toto not gambling?
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If I remember the news correctly, a few years back, there is a bank employee who play with the bank accounts and stole a few millions from the bank. Then he betted a few hundred thousand dollars on 4D each week. Kenna 1st prize a few times and still losing millions.Originally posted by stupidissmart:why do u classify casino as tiger while 4D as cat ? U can bet 1 million dollars at 4D too isn't it ? How do u classify horse racing and soccer betting ? It can make people jian po ren wang too isn't it ?
An example of evil of gambling on something as simple as 4D.