You want Casino?
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If u go to a casino it will happen de. Xiao du will qin jia dang chang
my father has xiao du. Am I now qin jia dang chang ? I thoguht about 30% of singaporean do gamble regularly such as toto, 4D, soccer, jackpot or turf. So these 30% qin jian dang chang meh... Frankly the casino can also aimed to get tourist money. It may make u better off.. .
Also for toto, 4D etc, each cycle can takes a few days. For casino, the cycle is faster and it is designed for that person to prolong his stay. So if casino is established here and if your father go n try try, he will probably suffer more losses in a given period.
I have read such cases happening in singapore court from the newspaper, that is why i mention this point.
I not very sure but I don't think the casino lend people any money in the first place. U got to use your money and buy the chips before u can gamble isn't it ? The one who lend money is probably some illegal money lender... -
I mean that when the country is big, opening a casino in one of the states, may not directly affect other states. But in singapore, everyone will feel the effect.Originally posted by stupidissmart:tat doesn't means anything. So in short u r suggesting only big countries have casino while small countries cannot ???? -
You don't know what is credit line, right?Originally posted by stupidissmart:I not very sure but I don't think the casino lend people any money in the first place. U got to use your money and buy the chips before u can gamble isn't it ? The one who lend money is probably some illegal money lender...
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Those bought the stock were doing investment, Temasek included. They were not gambling.
They were making risk, and they use capital in the hope of generating more capital. The general idea is almost similar to gambling. U got to agree tat there r some idiots who knows nuts about stocks or investments but treat stocks exchange as a gamble.Ask the govn why they allowed 4D and Toto but banned casino for so long. Isn't the gov being illogical if your view that casino is no different from 4D and Toto.
there some policies tat gov had made which r funny, such as banning chewing gums. All i can say is my support for casino is not because of the gov. I supported the existence of the casino way before the gov suggests building a casinoCheck out the facts, they are different kind of games and the casino has more evil with it. The govn knows it all, that is why they say they need safeguards to contain the social ills. See, no safeguards for 4D and Toto. Do your research.
there r blackjacks etc lor... so ? -
If u go to a casino it will happen de. Xiao du will qin jia dang chang
Theer r millions of people who go gambling in casino. For example genting and cruise ships, there r already many singaporean who go there to gamble. Have they all become addicts ? Have they all become bankrupts. I also go to genting and gamble before. And yet I still stand here. It very much depend on individual bah...
Also for toto, 4D etc, each cycle can takes a few days. For casino, the cycle is faster and it is designed for that person to prolong his stay. So if casino is established here and if your father go n try try, he will probably suffer more losses in a given period.I mean that when the country is big, opening a casino in one of the states, may not directly affect other states. But in singapore, everyone will feel the effect
do the people of one state means any lesser ? The population of kuala lumpur and surrounding states maybe about the same if not more than the whole of singapore...You don't know what is credit line, right?
I don't
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Should we should ban soccer b'cos ppl bets in soccer?Originally posted by KumSioJui:yes but people speculated on these shares, so speculation is a form of gambling.
want to ban casino, then ban all forms of gambling otherwise what you have is double standards. nobody going to listen when you practice double standards.
So we should ban stock market b'cos ppl speculate in stock markets?
Did I ever say banning stock market n futures markets because someone speculate on them?Originally posted by KumSioJui:btw CAO losses were caused because they were overleveraged on their hedged positions not because they did not hedge, so we should ban the futures market here as well huh and close down all these morally evil institutions put several thousands out of jobs ... hmm good idea.
Instead of the normal practice of hedging what they should have, CAO go out of normal practice n speculate to try to make handsome profits. But they failed.
CAO speculate the futures market instead of just hedging what they should have. Overhedging is also speculation. -
so it's morally ok then to become 4D, TOTO and soccer betting addicts to spend and borrow thousands of dollars betting on chance but it's evil to walk into a casino to bet on the same chance then. hmmm ... I wondering now where you did that fine research of yours.Originally posted by sarek_home:Those bought the stock were doing investment, Temasek included. They were not gambling.
Ask the govn why they allowed 4D and Toto but banned casino for so long. Isn't the gov being illogical if your view that casino is no different from 4D and Toto.
Check out the facts, they are different kind of games and the casino has more evil with it. The govn knows it all, that is why they say they need safeguards to contain the social ills. See, no safeguards for 4D and Toto. Do your research. -
Should we should ban soccer b'cos ppl bets in soccer?
U don't support banning these either, then why support banning casino ? Casino had its purpose as well. It pulled in tourists. It make singapore more attractive to foreigners. It boosts our hotels business tourists business as well. Casino is not all cons and no pros.
So we should ban stock market b'cos ppl speculate in stock markets? -
you know what you guys can dawl and drone all you want abt not having a casino you can even talk until the sun comes up tomorrow.
WE ARE GOING TO HAVE A CASINO. AND THERE IS NOTHING THAT YOU CAN DO ABOUT IT.
But it if makes you feel better, pls carry on talking until the sun comes up tomorrow. -
Did I say that all will become addict? But there will be many who will be addicted.
Theer r millions of people who go gambling in casino. For example genting and cruise ships, there r already many singaporean who go there to gamble. Have they all become addicts ? Have they all become bankrupts. I also go to genting and gamble before. And yet I still stand here. It very much depend on individual bah...
If one day I quote a common saying that the "wealth cannot be sustain after the 3rd generation", will u come to me and say that u hv seen examples where this isn't true?
It is the same when I quote a common saying that "xiao du qing jia dang chang, da du jia po ren wang", r u going to tell me that there are pp who play small but didn't go bankrupt?
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I need to go too liao... I just wanna say I support casino to open not because I am scared of gov or anything. I support it because I really do think it is a good idea.
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U hv figure some pros. But at what expense, hv u go figure?Originally posted by stupidissmart:U don't support banning these either, then why support banning casino ? Casino had its purpose as well. It pulled in tourists. It make singapore more attractive to foreigners. It boosts our hotels business tourists business as well. Casino is not all cons and no pros.
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Is there a link with the 1st n 2nd part?Originally posted by stupidissmart:U don't support banning these either, then why support banning casino ?
Casino is made for gambling, which is the bad part of stock markets when some ppl starts to speculate. But stock market isn't created for speculations, just like soccer isn't played for betting.
U do agreed that ppl shouldn't speculate in stocks n futures, right? -
Did I say that all will become addict? But there will be many who will be addicted.
True. But there r already many people addicted to 4D and toto as well. They can bloody q up hours every week spending hundreds of dollars.If one day I quote a common saying that the "wealth cannot be sustain after the 3rd generation", will u come to me and say that u hv seen examples where this isn't true?
I also heard
It is the same when I quote a common saying that "xiao du qing jia dang chang, da du jia po ren wang", r u going to tell me that there are pp who play small but didn't go bankrupt?
xiao du yi qin (small gamble make life interesting)
da du shang kan qing (big gamble make relationship difficult)
and also heard
fang hou yi gen yen (a cigerrette after a meal)
kuai huo ru shen xian (make u as happy as a fairy)
I mean chinese sayings r just... a reference...Tis is just stating some emotions and making use of rhyming words. Frankly just treat it as a poem or something
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U hv figure some pros. But at what expense, hv u go figure?
at wat expense ?
Why not tell us the cons instead of just the pros
there r always some alarmist report out there who says tat eating things not organic will give u cancer (when nobody know wat cause cancer) or tat fuel is gonna end 50 years later (when it was said 50 years ago) or eating pork will kill mankind etc (when chinese eat pork for ages and still living). It is up for us to guage wat will really happen in the end. As said before, malaysia and many many other nations had open up casino. They r all thriving isn't it ?Is there a link with the 1st n 2nd part?
soccer isn't play for betting, but people still bet. Stock market isn't created for speculations, but people still do it. Casino isn't meant to make all people bankrupt or them being addicts, it is the people who do it themselves. Can't u see the problem lies with men, not things ?
Casino is made for gambling, which is the bad part of stock markets when some ppl starts to speculate. But stock market isn't created for speculations, just like soccer isn't played for betting.
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Casino is meant solely for big gambling.Originally posted by stupidissmart:soccer isn't play for betting, but people still bet. Stock market isn't created for speculations, but people still do it. Casino isn't meant to make all people bankrupt or them being addicts, it is the people who do it themselves. Can't u see the problem lies with men, not things ? -
ALL THE WAY TO THE END !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!Originally posted by KumSioJui:you know what you guys can dawl and drone all you want abt not having a casino you can even talk until the sun comes up tomorrow.
WE ARE GOING TO HAVE A CASINO. AND THERE IS NOTHING THAT YOU CAN DO ABOUT IT.
But it if makes you feel better, pls carry on talking until the sun comes up tomorrow. -
Having a casino in Singapore is quite ok as most ppl who went into it n gamble is mature enough to treat it as a form of "relaxing themselves".Like for me,i went to Genting highlands to gamble once in awhile is just for relaxing my mind only,not really want to "make a big money there" or "make a living through gambling".
If i were to treat gambling as a "source of income",i would have declared bankcrupt liao lor!From my observation,most ppl are mature enough to control their budgets in the casino,afterall,they do know what is called "hard-earn money"!But for those who are "born-rich",then i am not so sure about them. -
its not the casinos that ruin people, its people who ruin themselves. nobody is forced to go into a casino, people go in there on their own will and greed. and besides the USA isnt vey liberal either, alcohol control is stricter than in singapore and laws on gambling are very very strict. only 21 and above. nobody ever said we had to follow the free for all attitude of vegas. we could always go with monaco's system. no locals allowed in the casinos and yet they're ringing in big bucks and for all you morality-obsessed socialists out there, yes they are still very much "moral" people.Originally posted by goh meng seng:It is strange indeed. Nobody in his right mind would want their children to be gamblers but there are people who would support Casino!
Never mind about that. For those who want a casino here, have you done your research thoroughly? Don't just write off "social cost" so easily; PAP knows they could not argue against the apparent high "social cost", thus, they just say it is not about social cost vs economic gains. That's cool and neat but simply put it, they are just sweeping the dirt below the carpet!
Of course, with a twist, they say it is about OUR MATURITY as a society! Cool. Nobody wants to be seen as "immature" and not agreeing to have a Casino would be seen as "IMMATURE"! Hahaha. That's strange. If you know the odds of losing in a casino, any MATURE human being will not be visiting the casino! Then, the most important question to ask is, why have a casino in the very first place to hoodwink those "IMMATURE" ones?
I would suggest for those who thinks Casino could bring in all the monies, do some research first. Try to do a search on googles with "NGISC", short form for "National Gambling Impact Studies Commission". This is a study commissioned by the world's most liberal govt on earth, USA. See for yourselves what's in it for us if we go ahead with a casino.
And strategically speaking, we will all become suckers in the end of the day. I will touch on this later.
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Would suggest a very high age for entry if they really set one up. An age high enough that you can be sure if that person will be a gambler, he is already one. An age high enough that he probably earn his own $$. Maybe something like 28? The younger chaps wouldn't have much $$ anyway.
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The same argument can go for the availability of knife, fire, and guns. All can be used for killing, it is people who mis-use them that turn them into tool of destruction. The MATURE THINKING people discern what are their positive and negative potentials and decide only to restrict the availability of gums.
The MATURE THINKING people also discern the different form of gambling like 4D and casino and decide the casino has no place in this society and the casino investment will fail.
The MATURE THINKING people suggest you hold back your support for a casino until you read the safeguard fineprint to see if it "go with monaco's system. no locals allowed in the casinos".
Also, you should hold back the dream of "ringing in big bucks" until you read the business plan and make some MATURE THINKIG to see if it is ecomically viable.
Will the casino builder promise at least $500 millions in gambling tax each year for next 10 years and no local earn less than $500K per year can go in? If it is a sure win, why not?Originally posted by vito_corleone:its not the casinos that ruin people, its people who ruin themselves. nobody is forced to go into a casino, people go in there on their own will and greed. and besides the USA isnt vey liberal either, alcohol control is stricter than in singapore and laws on gambling are very very strict. only 21 and above. nobody ever said we had to follow the free for all attitude of vegas. we could always go with monaco's system. no locals allowed in the casinos and yet they're ringing in big bucks and for all you morality-obsessed socialists out there, yes they are still very much "moral" people. -
The MATURE THINKING people would like to tell stupidissmart that it is not "The general idea is almost similar to gambling".
The basic function of stock investment is sound rational INVESTMENT based on proper research. It is the immature fools who try to gamble with stock.
On the other hand, the basic function of casino is pure gambling.
The MATURE THINKING people discern what is the basic functions of stocking investment and casino gambling, do you? -
going by COMMON SENSE, if sh|tholes like genting can succeed from the building of casinos, singapore is sure to do well. there is no such thing as "loosing money" in the casino business, as the saying goes, "the casino always wins", obviously you have not been to a major casino attraction to comprehend the enormous wealth casinos bring in. monaco was the poorest state in europe before they built the monte carlo casino, now they're one of the richest. las vegas was a mere desert town for the re-socking up of supplies for passing trains, now its one of the most magnificent places in the world. it is PROVEN that the lucrative gambling industry can transform a dead town into a vibrant, wealthy city.Originally posted by sarek_home:The same argument can go for the availability of knife, fire, and guns. All can be used for killing, it is people who mis-use them that turn them into tool of destruction. The MATURE THINKING people discern what are their positive and negative potentials and decide only to restrict the availability of gums.
The MATURE THINKING people also discern the different form of gambling like 4D and casino and decide the casino has no place in this society and the casino investment will fail.
The MATURE THINKING people suggest you hold back your support for a casino until you read the safeguard fineprint to see if it "go with monaco's system. no locals allowed in the casinos".
Also, you should hold back the dream of "ringing in big bucks" until you read the business plan and make some MATURE THINKIG to see if it is ecomically viable.
Will the casino builder promise at least $500 millions in gambling tax each year for next 10 years and no local earn less than $500K per year can go in? If it is a sure win, why not? -
If what you said is true, will the casino builder promise at least $500 millions in gambling tax each year for next 10 years and no local earn less than $500K per year can go in? If it is a sure win, why not?
"Common Sense" worth nothing. If that "common sense" is so solid, make that at least $500 millions in gambling tax each year for next 10 years promise. This is the acid test for such "common sense".Originally posted by vito_corleone:going by COMMON SENSE, if sh|tholes like genting can succeed from the building of casinos, singapore is sure to do well. there is no such thing as "loosing money" in the casino business, as the saying goes, "the casino always wins", obviously you have not been to a major casino attraction to comprehend the enormous wealth casinos bring in. monaco was the poorest state in europe before they built the monte carlo casino, now they're one of the richest. las vegas was a mere desert town for the re-socking up of supplies for passing trains, now its one of the most magnificent places in the world. it is PROVEN that the lucrative gambling industry can transform a dead town into a vibrant, wealthy city. -
Just that Casino there's more games to play....Originally posted by SnowFlag:Comparing 4D, toto with Casino is like comparing
house cat with lion