You want Casino?
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my apologies for the multiple posting...some errors displayed in my computer..did not know it was posted..sorry
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It's really a joke leh ! OUR PAP Say they are out of ideas to improve Singapore ! And this is the only way. Then their $100,000 salary should be cut what ! Cannot get tourist. must open gambling den ! Open then open lah !
But open gambling den must also be successful mah ! Want to do make sure got money earn right ! Wait for 4 years ! A bit too late already lah ! EXPO so near. SO many empty space. OPEN IT LAH ! Everyday sure got tourist !
Bring all the tables, Bring in all the JACKPOT ! Bring on all the People. Start gamble and rent the whole place out. INCOME ALREADY ! DIRECT BUS LINE TO EXPO TO GAMBLE ! MRT route direct there ! Tourist sure rush down the plane to gamble in seconds ! No matter AUST, AMERCIANS, CHINA MAN, INDIAN MAN. Let them start already. EASY AS ONE TWO THREE !
Rent to them for one year. See got business or not ? No business, close shop loh. See Singapore get better or not ? If not. Stop rental to them and close shop.
Can open a lot of food stall there already. Then....... hotel build there. MRT near. SO easy ! PAP government don't know how to do. Why not pay me $100,000 per month to do it ? Sure got business soon and every Singaporean will be happy ! -
[10000 jobs might not be a big deal.. but if u look at the bigger picture, creating the buzz & vibrancy will definitely draw more tourists in, whether they are here for the casino or not]
you can create buzz & vibrancy with or without a casino too ... so you start wondering what's a casino really for?
at the end of the day, the story is for them to say and for us to believe and hopefully question too. they can paint the bleakest future you can never imagine so much so that we have 'no choice' but to swallow the magic pill. but you look around and wonder how with so much opulence, bleakness is round the corner?
even if bleakness is round the corner, should we believe that this is indeed the magic pill that we need? or is it just a nice cover story ... -
yup, Buzz and Vibrancy in SG??? Sure, the casino is a new light to something more interesting. If anyone thought of creating more buzz and vibrancy, those efforts have been made by many (Not the government), but have the people really turn to those efforts. In case you didn't notice, we asians really need a 'boot in our face' to really keep us active and vibrant, we are all kinda serious, don't ya think??
And in the government speech today, tourist found it boring to stay in SG. Talk about it, i find it absolutely boring too!!!! With all the conservative wussies leading the picture all the time, they ain't anything near fun at all. Always control, control and control, talk about the word "chill-out" is like the never-ever land to reach. They ain't got a life, so why stick us to their life!!!
I really hope the casino, in bringing out more highlights to tourism, would really bring out more life in our culture. Not another stress out, rule base system that cannot flex!!! -
And if anyone ask why can we not come out with better solutions to the casino, it really is the fact that solutions were there, but they were either banned or not accepted.
Tell me about rock concerts, and people are forbidded to head bang, or do body surfing, like the way it is abroad!!!
Talk about playing music in public, and a license is so strictly enforced.
Talk about coin machine horse racing, and that is also banned.
Talk about chewing gum!!
Talk about road lightings of advertisement, that is banned and now the roads look so dull.
I don't wanna mention, cos there are so many others. Tell me, is SIngapore a boring place for tourist to come???
If i was a tourist, i wouldn't make a stop in SG, there ain't anything to do=>
Shopping: Too expensive
Zoo: Ain't big enuff
Entertainment: So restricted
Beach: The waves are like GREEN!!!
Woman?: Umm, that's so restricted
What's left is Haw Par Villa???? I must be a fool paying $1000+ of airticket to see that!!! -
All I can say now is; having not a, but two, casinos is like a double bladed sword - it cuts both ways.
All this talk, only time can prove anything. Guess we'll all have to wait and see if s-h-i-t will hit the fan, or not. -
Check out the PM's speech explaining the reasons for pushing ahead with the plan for integrated resorts with casinoes despite some opposition from the public :
http://app.sprinter.gov.sg/data/pr/2005041803.htm
The speech is good, and it runs through the process of evaluating the pros and cons of a casino - from earlier times to the present; as well as the reasons for the change of heart.
While critics have the right to disagree, I think that they should at least go through the government's stand properly and rationally - and rebutt the relevant points if they have arguments to the contary.
I was neutral on the matter of the casino, and the speech have persuaded me that the project is a calculated risk taken after careful research and planning - and not the government snubbing the public because they are arrogant and insensitive. -
If I were an AH Long, I'd be the first to register with NTUC should they come up with such a scheme.Originally posted by SBS9611D:I think NTUC should start a moneylending cooperative soon. Any loan sharks who want to go legit can register with them.
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A child speaking.....Originally posted by skyline63:Sure fail one lah ! PAP don't know how to make money. Singaporean soon suffer.
Want people to invest a few billion of dollars than earn back slowly. Who want ? Waste time ! PAP government build at EXPO is the best ! Near airport. Let them come here and gamble. Then bus can drive the luggage to the hotel. Earn money for bus driver. Hotel got business. OK already loh ! Build this and that sure fail one PAP !
PAP is a hopeless government ! Simple things also cannot do it ! EXPO every month loss money. Rent to the foreign talent lah ! Earn money already loh ! Open big big ! And charge the same Singaporean $100 entry fee. Singaporean don't go gamble. OPEN for foreign. Come out from the plane. Can gamble already.
Jackpot machines put at airport. Got Jackpot room at AIRPORT ! Moneychanger earn money again !
Singapore PAP stupid one ! 4 years later. Too late loh. Everywhere got gambling den ! -
well written mannovo, that is exactly how i feel in the first place.
to me it will boil down to our govt confusing strategy in attracting tourist. someone mention before that we have too much restiction here that tourist arent finding us attracting anymore.
They say, Casino will only be part of the IR and will represent no one than 5% area. which means 95% will be use of non casino. but why casino and just pure entertainment facilities. reason? investor simply non interested and they have better place to invest like Thailand. the very reason singapore allow casino , draws this big investor onboard. these IR concepts will still base on casino, the main crowds drawer. why set the 5% limit then?
like i mention, those minister whom we know who approve the casino will not stay in politics for long, but the effect of the casino on singapore will be here for life. -
today on news radio 938 , they invite 2 MP from the parliament to talk why govt approve the casino issue. but when challenge by some callers, these 2 MP start to explain in confusing fashion that it seem it hard to convince themselves then ourselves.
whatever, let hope the casino can help to create job for singaporean and not malaysian, indonesian and so call foreign talent. singaporean shall be employ priorty. what the govt promise is generate 10000jobs for singaporean. i wana see whether this can be realise. -
True to form, our Government approves the Casino project.
So you see, when
the father, the son and the holy Goh
have already made a decision...
......nothing can change it, not even the heavy outcry by many disgusted Singaporeans. -
You really think IR can create 35000 jobs for Singaporeans, I don't think so.
You think IR can help bring in tourist, I don't think so.
Already there are so many hotel having occupancy rate less than 30%, building more new hotels is as good as forcing these old hotels to give up.
BTW, to rely so much on tourism is not a good idea, one fine day there is SARS outbreak again, then PAP will lead you all down to Marina South to eat grass.
In order to attract tourism, think of something more creative lah, why must copy cat other people. Fairy wheel copy cat Japan. IR copy cat Genting. These people getting so much pay only know how to copy cat. No wonder Singaporeans all not creative.
You all remember last time Sentosa was the first to come out with the Water Fantacy land. This helped to revive Sentosa untill our government go and copy cat the idea to build the Jurong East Swimming complex and the Chua Chu Kang Swimming complex and charge at so cheap. (Because no need to think, copy only mah). This spoil the market lah. So you people go and think who actually kill Singapore Tourism.
Why can't they do something special, like the 30mins light up performance at the Esplanade or so. If not you think tourists purposely stay in Singapore to see Merlion spit water ah!!!! -
I tried hard to relate to the issue of Gambling, so I read so much of your stuffs posted here, and see what great brains your pp have.
The casino is water under the bridge.
But do Singaporeans care, do they buy it?
Is it going to be that successful with all that huge investment of 6 billions?
whatever or is it $5?
I just give my two cents worth here.
It may not work!
Businesses may not flourish
Tourists are shy of casinos,
Only, and only crazies like we ourselves
want a casino because next to biggest passion (ego-self) in our lives is
gambling,
But - in Europe, U,K, Les Vegas, Macau
Monaco, etc..
it is a dying 'industry"
Only in Batam and the Cruise ships
you'get to find Sinaporeans.
So Casino is for us, here
It does not take a clever scholar
Like P.scholar) to figure this out.
Enjoy it when you can be4 you get regsitered as
"habitual bad ...", by your spouse![/img] -
Hey people, can close/end this thread already lah. It's finalized, fixed, confirmed, and history, about casinos.
No amount of debating, discussion, griping, and moaning, can change a thing.
Like with everything else in Singapore, we have to live with it.
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Bumbleb,Originally posted by bumbleb:Check out the PM's speech explaining the reasons for pushing ahead with the plan for integrated resorts with casinoes despite some opposition from the public :
http://app.sprinter.gov.sg/data/pr/2005041803.htm
The speech is good, and it runs through the process of evaluating the pros and cons of a casino - from earlier times to the present; as well as the reasons for the change of heart.
While critics have the right to disagree, I think that they should at least go through the government's stand properly and rationally - and rebutt the relevant points if they have arguments to the contary.
I was neutral on the matter of the casino, and the speech have persuaded me that the project is a calculated risk taken after careful research and planning - and not the government snubbing the public because they are arrogant and insensitive.
I was originally swayed by the arguments too. Unlike you, I had been a staunch opposer to the IR project. However, after hearing the PM's speech on radio, then on TV yesterday, I decided that their idea seemed quite feasible, adn that they had put much thought to it. And that was confirmed when I read the issue of the speech published on the Straits Times today. It just seemed excellent.
But now, re-considering it again, I have identified a number of loopholes in the LHL's argument tt the govt has conveniently side-stepped, and which those without an eye for detail would surely miss out:-
1)the long term impact on social mores is insidious and hard to prevent.
These are PM LHL's own words in 1997. Throughout the entire speech, he has not given any time to confront this perception, or any counter-evidence.
2)we have not been investing in tourist infrastructure projects
Ermm... what exactly happened to the Esplanade and a host of other governmental projects? if they are not tourist infrastructure, what are they?
And aren't there other tourist infrastructure projects which do not need to incldue casinos?
3)Bloomberg and Guiliani have remade their city by cleaing it up and clamping down on crime.
Something tells me that Orchard Road, Geylang and Joo Chiat need cleaning up badly. Why not the Red Light District be replaced by some tourism infrastructure project which is decentralized from the city centre? perhaps a theme park?
4)They are building a New York Sports and Convention Centre (NYSCC), to draw in more tourists and convention traffic.
And in the NYSCC plan, is there a casino anywhere in sight?
5)The city is redesigning its traffic flow; the mayor has built a very popular artificial beach along the River Seine; and started nightlong street parties.
And where are the casinos in Paris?
6)It tried to legislate to allow up to 40 super casinos, but because of opposition from MPs and the impending elections it had to compromise and agree to build just one super casino somewhere in Britain
Well, Britain is a large country, and thus the impact of one casino built in a remote location in the countryside would not affect Englishmen as a whole. On the other hand, Singapore is so small that the impact on local society will be great. And remember, we have no secluded countryside area to build an IR in. Marina Bayfront does not really match that cue.
7)Hong Kong will open its Disneyland very soon, and is planning a new cultural centre at West Kowloon that is seven times the size of the Esplanade.
Oh ok... Why didn't Singapore approve Disneyland's bid in 1997 of building a Disneyland here? Perhaps then we wouldn't need to care about any social impacts of casinos, or government financing, since after all, Disneyland finances itself without the need of casinos!
Hong Kong is talking about building a casino on Lantau, to compete with Macao. In Thailand, Prime Minister Thaksin is likely to move ahead with IRs at Khao Lak in Phang Nga Province.
SO they do it, we must do it too, right? What happened to innovation and creativity?
9)Malaysia is developing the Kuala Lumpur City Centre (KLCC) project, a 40 hectare development which includes the current Petronas Twin Towers. They are also hosting Formula One racing, and Kuala Lumpur is buzzing with tourists from the Middle East.
F1 racing tracks do not include casinos. Does KLCC incldue casinos?
10)Genting gives us some idea what the IR may look like. Genting started off as a casino with an attached hotel, but now it has many other amenities: good hotels, numerous food outlets, theatres, a huge amusement park, etc. Many Singaporeans go there for short holidays with the whole family, and not to gamble
So an IR will start off like Genting? Doesn't that mean the casino will be the most major part of the entire IR in the first few years? Remember, The beginning is what brings about the most danger.
And btw, I'm sure many Singaporeans go Genting to gamble too.
PM did not offer a statistical comparison of people who gamble at Genting and "harmless" tourists. He failed to give any concrete assurance that Genting's situation is not as bad as it sounds.
11)But somewhere within the premises there is a small jackpot room that generates the revenue that helps to keep the place going.
jackpot rooms and Casinos are two majorly different thing man. The machines in a jackpot room pale in comparison to those in Casinos; so do the games offered. And jackpot rooms are kept tightly in one corner, hidden from public view so to speak ,whilst casinos are open to anyone to see. You can't hide a building like you can hide a room, and especially not a glitzy casino!
12)I wanted to display the designs and models publicly, so that SingaÂporeans could see the high quality of the proposals and appreciate the impact of the IRs on our city. Unfortunately the bidders would not agree. They wanted to protect their intellectual property, and not allow their competitors to see their plans
Why can't our powerful government demand that the investors show out the projects. C'mon, don't we have IP Laws, can't the investors sue any competitors who violate IP rights? Seriously, this IP Rights argument sux.
Why is our government, who is so strong at co-ercing people to accept its poltical views, slamming opposition and bankrupting their politicans, as well as stamping out dissidents, including foreign presses like FEER or the IHT,so weak to prevent these firms from concealing their plans?
13)The only difference is the gaming area itself, but this is only a small part of the whole development – less than 3% of the total floor area allowed.
And what is the exact size? how many ha?
14)Altogether MTI estimates that the two IRs will create about 35,000 jobs, counting jobs within the IRs, plus spinoffs throughout the economy.
How many jobs will go to Singaporeans?
15)f we say no, the best proposals for the IR, together with the investments and the jobs, will most likely go somewhere else in the region.
Aren't there any other proposals otehr than those for the IR?
16)The operators also told us that they needed some local business, although they know that this cannot be their main market.
A little coy the firms are, aren't they?
17)Second, we will implement a system of exclusions. Those in financial distress, or receiving social assistance, will not be allowed entry.
how to identify?
1For the IRs, we will similarly channel revenue collected from the entrance fee to the Totalisator Board for charitable purposes.
Harm some to benefit others... great...
19)Their vigorous response to the IRs shows that they are concerned about values, and will work hard to uphold them.
So the religious groups are the moral values civil service?
20)For its part the Government will continue to emphasise moral education in schools and promote wholesome values in our society,
Unfortunately, your moral education has failed in many instances, even without the ICR, so will it succeed with the ICR?
ya, so there.
the (skeptical) pikamaster -
1. When LKY adviced,LHL followed.
2. PAP is pro-business.Casino is a business.So PAP is also pro-casino & pro-gambling.
3. The govt hasn't replied whether it has run out of ideas to create jobs.Why?
4. For money, the govt can put aside moral principle. -
Fallen we have.. to the dark side of gambling..
Chosen we have.. the easy way out -
What nerves to talk about One Man Vision. The vision was creditable up to a point when HDB flats were sold at S$25,000 - S$60,000 and people were paid higher salaries with more jobs and costs were tolerable, i.e. in the 1980s.
As admitted by the man himself his vision to build a first world country in a third world region has become inadequate sometime ago. Trouble is the man was too proud to admit fundamental error in his style or narrow-vision leadership.
That vision has narrowed down and restricted the potential of all the practical talents with all the strait-jacketed one-way garb about meritocracy and elites causing much outflow of its own practical talents.
The self-proclaimed leadeship ability was drummed into the citizens day in and day out by the state press to reach the Swiss Standard of Living. So many believed in the invinsible power of One Man Vision. What happened in the 1980s-1990s. What did the leaders say to the citizens during the last two recessions. Growth was stunted and people were losing jobs and facing many struggles to make ends meet. Costs went up and businesses are not making monies except for the MNCs and foreign and GLCs.
At least the Swiss still has kep up with broad-based education and still stayed competitive enjoying a reasonable higher living standard. For us by the 1990s, our standard of living dropped back to third world but our costs gone up to first world.
The asset bubble burst wiped out the savings of many. Suicides and unemployments were treated with hush hush silence. Bankruptcies were at the all-time high.
So don't talk ONE MAN VISION. It was past or passe. It is bull. There was only dimmed vision based on facts. That is the reason to push for a casino now as the vision was all blurred. No more vision despite paying the overly honored leaders the world most highest salaries.
All that the visionary can say is: region is too competitive for us and there is nothing to be done until all sacrifice another round - social pains from casino.
How visionary can one be. Go and interview the citizens. Don't just watch the state tv or read the papers to see how 90 % of the population of 4 million cope with third world living and first world cost.
That is our so-called visionary's record. So what nerves and audacity to claim credits for past glories.
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Manage complexities in objective-steps processes ? No pain no -
First gambling, prostitution and porn next?
After all, we already have brothels in Singapore, using the same argument given by the government. And it's good money too. The porn industry is worth billions of dollars. It is said that despite the collapse of the dot.com bubble, porn sites continue to do well. Perhaps the National Computer Board and EDB should go into the porn business next.
Actually, having legalized brothels in Singapore may be less damaging...you can gamble all through the night but there is a limit as to how many times you can come
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if you read his postings you will know they are all rubbish.Originally posted by talksoftly:A child speaking..... -
since the casino is already a sure thing why dont all of you just accept the fact and move on. instead of complaining and speaking ill of the government why not come up with some constructive ideas for discussion?
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"Do not give unto others what you do not want others to give unto you."
This is exactly the sentiments of many anti-gambling lobbyists, these people simply abhor the promotion of gambling in Singapore.
Their core values of virtue and honest living have been drastically violated.
Are we really complaining or are we speaking out to register our opinions and dissatisfaction?
If everyone, like you, just accepts whatever is being fed , what sort of people would we all become? Spineless and dumb?
What sort of examples would we be setting for our children and grandchildren.
"Dad, why didnt you speak up when you had the chance to? See, now our lives are being over-controlled and manipulated by those in power!"
"Sorry son, I was a coward and just followed the Government because I know our voices would never be taken seriously. So just follow lah."
Of course, a decision has been made. But of course, we should continue to show our disagreement over this issue.
There is no law in this country that says we have to stop our protests once the Government has made an unreasonable, unacceptable ruling or proposal! -
you are really amazing. i merely suggested that people come up with constructive ideas instead of complaining about something that is a sure fact. yet you can come up with so many logic just to show you are very sensible.Originally posted by miong:"Do not give unto others what you do not want others to give unto you."
This is exactly the sentiments of many anti-gambling lobbyists, these people simply abhor the promotion of gambling in Singapore.
Their core values of virtue and honest living have been drastically violated.
Are we really complaining or are we speaking out to register our opinions and dissatisfaction?
If everyone, like you, just accepts whatever is being fed , what sort of people would we all become? Spineless and dumb?
What sort of examples would we be setting for our children and grandchildren.
"Dad, why didnt you speak up when you had the chance to? See, now our lives are being over-controlled and manipulated by those in power!"
"Sorry son, I was a coward and just followed the Government because I know our voices would never be taken seriously. So just follow lah."
Of course, a decision has been made. But of course, we should continue to show our disagreement over this issue.
There is no law in this country that says we have to stop our protests once the Government has made an unreasonable, unacceptable ruling or proposal!
Read your posting (in red) kindly refrain from saying such things. i am not interested in flaming. and you are over-reacting to my posting!!! -
Once Upon A Time
There was a team chasing after two KiasiNO Cups.
It began with player GeeY passing the ball to VVain
who tried to dazzle the crowd with his twists and turns but
the crowd was unimpressed and so he passed the ball to
the forwarders: Long, Chee, Heng. And the forwarders "scored" and "scored" and the referee, AM&AM allowed the goals to stand for the match even though it was played (or rather "performed") with no opposing team. And the winning team carried away 2 Cups with 2 "goals"! Some of the crowds were shocked, some shrugged and went away, some overjoyed, some opposed strongly but they were "overruled". The games committee known as Parla Men, tried to overrule the decision but they were "overruled" themselves.
This was how the KiasiNO game was played and won.