Ever experienced racial discrimination in Singapore?
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that;s true. though i'm not malay, i'm happy for our fellow malay counterparts who made it good..Originally posted by fudgester:Do you know what I hate about this statement? It's the fact that I actually agree with it somewhat.
Statistics have shown that Malays are generally the most under-performing race in Singapore when it comes to studies. Only about 60% of Malays who take the GCE O Levels actually get five subjects passed, for instance.
In the recent headlines, I read that the Malays were making achievements with regards to their studies. Achievements? What achievements?
Yeah, sure, more Malays are passing their PSLE. But if that's considered an achievement, then I feel really sad for us Malays. Sure, it's an improvement, but it's nothing to shout about. The other races are gunning for distinctions.... while the Malays are gunning for passes.
I have also noticed the phenomenon of dwindling number of Malays as I progressed higher up the educational ladder...... There were twelve Malays in my Pri 6 class... four in my Sec 1 class. By the time I got to Sec 3, I was the only Mat in my class.
Ironically, I'm one of several Mats in my NUS tutorial group.... that's why I don't fully agree with your statement.
By the way, in case any of you didn't read the previous posts and are thinking of flaming me for being racist to the Malays, think again. I'm Malay. You can ask those who were at the sgforums BBQ if you think I'm pulling your legs.
Sure, I'm being extremely harsh on my own race..... but the way I see it, we Malays deserve it.
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Someone might have told them that we are a bunch pushovers and doormats, or at least they bought it.Originally posted by spaded:Centro was good, they heck care the ang mohs. Got the new yorkers went up to the door b*tch and declared they're from New York and expected to be let in.
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I dunno what's wrong with the service sector..... I've seen a number of occasions where Caucasians get preferential treatment over the locals.Originally posted by Kuali Baba:Someone might have told them that we are a bunch pushovers and doormats, or at least they bought it.
Once, I was standing in line at a Burger King outlet. I was already waiting for quite some time. Then, I saw that the counter next to me was suddenly free.... but the bloody counter girl told me to make way for a Caucasian girl.... who had just walked through the door.
Sure, not all sales personnel are like that..... but I'm sure you agree with me that there are a few bad apples.
I used to work in the service sector FYI.... as a hotel bellhop after my O Levels and as a 7 Eleven counter staff after my A Levels.
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i avoid serving ang mohs all the time. feels weird to talk to someone with an accent. i don't like it.Originally posted by fudgester:I dunno what's wrong with the service sector..... I've seen a number of occasions where Caucasians get preferential treatment over the locals.
Once, I was standing in line at a Burger King outlet. I was already waiting for quite some time. Then, I saw that the counter next to me was suddenly free.... but the bloody counter girl told me to make way for a Caucasian girl.... who had just walked through the door.
Sure, not all sales personnel are like that..... but I'm sure you agree with me that there are a few bad apples.
I used to work in the service sector FYI.... as a hotel bellhop after my O Levels and as a 7 Eleven counter staff after my A Levels.
This stinks.... to be treated as a second-class citizen in my own country.
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Then that's no better than service staff who preferentially serve ang mohs, to be perfectly honest with you.Originally posted by spaded:i avoid serving ang mohs all the time. feels weird to talk to someone with an accent. i don't like it. -
I do that when there're others available to help. If not I'll still provide the same service. Does this answer satisfies you?Originally posted by fudgester:Then that's no better than service staff who preferentially serve ang mohs, to be perfectly honest with you. -
in service industry,for locals i prefer to serve malays the most, they are more friendly and easier to serve and are also more reasonable(capable of listening to reason)Originally posted by spaded:I do that when there're others available to help. If not I'll still provide the same service. Does this answer satisfies you?
hate chinese the most, though out of 100 maybe at most less then 10 give trouble but is bad enough liao, some more they have the idea that with even 5 dollars they control your life
indians...... generally ok, until they think they are not getting a good enough deal
as for ang mo, i get the impression that when i'm serving them , they are asking for our help not demanding it , and are more polite(sometimes i think they overdo it though)
as for interracial relationships, i'm all for it myself, but when i found out my cousin was dating a malay, her mom didn't know, i think among her relatives i was one of the few cousins that knew
i didn't really approve of the relationship, firstly , different religion, secondly i don't really think her mom might accept though she doesn't have anything against malays
but few years on and they are still together (was it 6? or 7 years?) not sure if her mom knew by now , she knows about her malay friend, but i'm not sure if she knows he is her daughter's bf
anyway for me i think they're serious so i don't have anything against it now
but no malay\muslim girl for me unless they give up their religion, because sure as hell i'm not gonna get circumcise
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Probably she prefers non singaporean guys because of guys like you , who cheat on their wives while bi.tching about singaporean women.Originally posted by Gazelle:quote:
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Originally posted by foxwalk:
Please share your bad experiences. Do non-chinese experience more racial discrimination given that the majority race here is Chinese?
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In one of your thread, you say that
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I prefer non-chinese guys. they're more fun, and tend to be less corny. i'm not trying to offend anyone, maybe it's a generalization on my part. actually i prefer non singaporean guys too.
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Frankly, I don't understand the obsession with homogenity of race in relationships either. IMO chemistry should not depend on such superficial factors. But if it helps, remember that some of those who questioned your tastes drool over Eurasian or foreign girls in men's magazines at home - which makes their opinions worthless.Originally posted by fudgester:You should have seen the amount of mocking I got from some of the guys at the sgforums BBQ when I told them that I was going after a Chinese girl.....
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I have known a male colleagues marrying a Malay girl,n my past job one of my boss got an Caucasian girlfriend,another 1 also marry a Malay girl.So there is no big deal about it.But the one who marry the Malay girl actually convert to Muslim,is it those who marry Malay must convert there religion also?Originally posted by spaded:It's so common for malay guys to date chinese girls. They've been hibernating in the well for too long. I've seen some Malays who hang out more often with the Chinese and picking up the language too. Vice versa.
Couple of my girl-friends dated Malays before. No biggie. -
I'm Chinese and have been in Perth for 2 1/2 years. I don't have much Singaporean friends there as I went there by myself. I met some Asians and they complained that the local Anglo-australians have racist attitudes towards them.
Personally, I have no experienced anything like that yet. When my tutors give me a crap mark it's because I truly deserve it and not because i'm yellow. I make it a point to not put everything down to racial discrimination. I think what our parents teach us when we're kids is also extremely important. I had many chinese primary school friends who shunned kids of other races coz' they said their parents did the same thing.
I am not dating a chinese guy, neither is he anglo australian. So when I tell my friends he's of Indian ethnicity, most of them are pretty cool about it. My close friends are either chinese, malay, indian, or bi-racial. When I was working at an arcade as a teenager, the uncle at the prata stall was very nice to me because I was nice to him. He didn't care that I was Malay or not.
I really hope we are able to teach our children in future the right attitudes. All prejudices mainly arise from what we learn as kids. The next coloured person is also human, and in situations like the Tsunami, it's when we see that many people get together in the face of adversity. Let's not let that be the only thing that can unite us. -
Agreed!Originally posted by Dolores:....... I think what our parents teach us when we're kids is also extremely important. I had many chinese primary school friends who shunned kids of other races coz' they said their parents did the same thing.......
A few years ago one of my chinese classmates wanted to borrow one of my spare baju kurungs (the Malay ethnic costume).
It was for 21st July - Racial Harmony Day.
So I went about ironing and packing it neatly the night before.
My dad chided me for doing so.
"TELL ME SOMETHING, WHAT IS SO GOOD ABOUT THESE CHINESE THAT YOU MUST GO THROUGH SO MUCH TROUBLE FOR THEM!?!?!?!"
I didn't bother answering him.
He forbade me from bringing the clothes to school.
I defied him. Tactically, of course.
I don't like being the disobedient son..... but my father was in the absolute wrong here. -
*chews on gum and reads posts* hmm
who or what is a moh? -
I would say to her "excuse me but I was here first". If the counter girl wants to make noise - I will take it directly to management . I will blow up the incident sky high - I ever did it at one place and they gave me free food after.Originally posted by fudgester:I dunno what's wrong with the service sector..... I've seen a number of occasions where Caucasians get preferential treatment over the locals.
Once, I was standing in line at a Burger King outlet. I was already waiting for quite some time. Then, I saw that the counter next to me was suddenly free.... but the bloody counter girl told me to make way for a Caucasian girl.... who had just walked through the door.
Sure, not all sales personnel are like that..... but I'm sure you agree with me that there are a few bad apples.
I used to work in the service sector FYI.... as a hotel bellhop after my O Levels and as a 7 Eleven counter staff after my A Levels.
This stinks.... to be treated as a second-class citizen in my own country.
Fight for your rights -
yes, we are all paying customers, why should anyone get any preferential treatment?Originally posted by fymk:I would say to her "excuse me but I was here first". If the counter girl wants to make noise - I will take it directly to management . I will blow up the incident sky high - I ever did it at one place and they gave me free food after.
Fight for your rights
yes i dun understand why some people say "oh you can't look for someone your own race?" frankly speaking, if you want the truth. it's partly the reason as well. i am too outspoken i guess (and you can see in this forum that of the local chinese guys dun like tt) well, too bad for them. i know i appeal to some people, so that's what i care abt. some people are just made for others. we're not trying to make a pedigree breed are we? anyway, if people want to talk abt being racially and enthinically pure, then none of us is. so to those who laugh at others who are in interracial relationships, i say, take your stinking racist and narrow-minded double standards elsewhere..
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i do agree that it's probably the reason why those who immigrated and came back complained about being discriminated against elsehwere. it's probably "imagined" having come from an asian background. nothing's worse than being discriminated against in YOUR OWN COUNTRY... and it's happening everywhere in singapore to all singaporeans.Originally posted by Dolores:I'm Chinese and have been in Perth for 2 1/2 years. I don't have much Singaporean friends there as I went there by myself. I met some Asians and they complained that the local Anglo-australians have racist attitudes towards them.
Personally, I have no experienced anything like that yet. When my tutors give me a crap mark it's because I truly deserve it and not because i'm yellow. I make it a point to not put everything down to racial discrimination. I think what our parents teach us when we're kids is also extremely important. I had many chinese primary school friends who shunned kids of other races coz' they said their parents did the same thing.
I am not dating a chinese guy, neither is he anglo australian. So when I tell my friends he's of Indian ethnicity, most of them are pretty cool about it. My close friends are either chinese, malay, indian, or bi-racial. When I was working at an arcade as a teenager, the uncle at the prata stall was very nice to me because I was nice to him. He didn't care that I was Malay or not.
I really hope we are able to teach our children in future the right attitudes. All prejudices mainly arise from what we learn as kids. The next coloured person is also human, and in situations like the Tsunami, it's when we see that many people get together in the face of adversity. Let's not let that be the only thing that can unite us.
talk abt being 2nd/3rd class in one's own country... -
think im being discriminated against by some PRC chinese? actually ask if I am unable to speak chinese?!
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hmm, ask them, "do you use your head? are you unable to think?".Originally posted by HENG@:think im being discriminated against by some PRC chinese? actually ask if I am unable to speak chinese?! -
hahaha. no i just rolled my eyes n answered them in chinese.Originally posted by foxwalk:hmm, ask them, "do you use your head? are you unable to think?". -
I'm a pretty calm person. I will not blow up the first time it happens.Originally posted by fymk:I would say to her "excuse me but I was here first". If the counter girl wants to make noise - I will take it directly to management . I will blow up the incident sky high - I ever did it at one place and they gave me free food after.
Fight for your rights
I have never actually blown up at any service personnel before...... actually, only once at NUS laptop centre.
Even then, it wasn't due to racism on the part of the staff or anything..... it's just that they had repeatedly screwed up my paperwork, causing me lots of time and energy wasted. Since the manager wasn't around, I gave their 2IC hell. And mind you, it was hell. Till that day no one has ever heard me using profanities on a woman.
Anyway, back to the topic - service sector personnel, better watch out.
Any more racism on your part will not be tolerated.
I see anything like what I experienced at Burger King..... better find a new job.
I'll make sure both you and your manager gets hell from me. -
double post....
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I pick my battles carefully about racism. Some of my australian caucasian colleagues crack racist jokes about me and I just turn it around smack it verbally into their faces and we have a good laugh. They know when to draw the line and if they cross it - they will know not to do it againOriginally posted by Dolores:I'm Chinese and have been in Perth for 2 1/2 years. I don't have much Singaporean friends there as I went there by myself. I met some Asians and they complained that the local Anglo-australians have racist attitudes towards them.
Personally, I have no experienced anything like that yet. When my tutors give me a crap mark it's because I truly deserve it and not because i'm yellow. I make it a point to not put everything down to racial discrimination. I think what our parents teach us when we're kids is also extremely important. I had many chinese primary school friends who shunned kids of other races coz' they said their parents did the same thing.
I am not dating a chinese guy, neither is he anglo australian. So when I tell my friends he's of Indian ethnicity, most of them are pretty cool about it. My close friends are either chinese, malay, indian, or bi-racial. When I was working at an arcade as a teenager, the uncle at the prata stall was very nice to me because I was nice to him. He didn't care that I was Malay or not.
I really hope we are able to teach our children in future the right attitudes. All prejudices mainly arise from what we learn as kids. The next coloured person is also human, and in situations like the Tsunami, it's when we see that many people get together in the face of adversity. Let's not let that be the only thing that can unite us.
I met a few caucasians who told me to go back to china in australia. I told them to go back to europe. End of story.
Any caucasian who tells me he is a true blue aussie will get the " oh excuse me , I didn't know u had indigenous ancestry". They shut up immediately -
who are they to discriminate us? they should be thankful that we don't discriminate against their convict heritage and reciprocate the respect we give them..Originally posted by fymk:I pick my battles carefully about racism. Some of my australian caucasian colleagues crack racist jokes about me and I just turn it around smack it verbally into their faces and we have a good laugh. They know when to draw the line and if they cross it - they will know not to do it again
I met a few caucasians who told me to go back to china in australia. I told them to go back to europe. End of story.
Any caucasian who tells me he is a true blue aussie will get the " oh excuse me , I didn't know u had indigenous ancestry". They shut up immediately -
Originally posted by fymk:I pick my battles carefully about racism. Some of my australian caucasian colleagues crack racist jokes about me and I just turn it around smack it verbally into their faces and we have a good laugh. They know when to draw the line and if they cross it - they will know not to do it again
I met a few caucasians who told me to go back to china in australia. I told them to go back to europe. End of story.
Any caucasian who tells me he is a true blue aussie will get the " oh excuse me , I didn't know u had indigenous ancestry". They shut up immediately
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To be fair , most are not that bad. Racism happens everywhere even in Singapore and Australia.Originally posted by foxwalk:who are they to discriminate us? they should be thankful that we don't discriminate against their convict heritage and reciprocate the respect we give them..