A Singapore without Singaporeans
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Could not adapt to new life or find job they want.Originally posted by Xprobe:What makes you say that? I personally know and have seen a lot of people like me go overseas, and all of them are better off. -
Oic, yes, the guys i know have common traits such as:
- determination to succeed
- can take prolonged loneliness
- appreciative of the difference and inconveniences in everyday life, they dont complain but rather laugh it off
- willing to get their hands dirty
- looking beyond just a job, want to own a business asap
- active networking skills
- very pragmatic, not subscribing to vainity stuff such as sports cars and stuff
- last thing I observed, willing to start small, get the fundamentals right and then grow the business -
Well, you're treated as second class in Singapore when you're a citizen, so what have you got to lose?Originally posted by crazy monkey:In Australia you will be second class if you are not white.
Anyway going there to work and giving up citizenship/ migrate different lah.
Also, as fymk has said, the "second class citizen" story is all bull. I've been in Oz for ten years and I'm treated better than I am in Singapore, even back when I was just a student. Now that I've migrated there, I can tell you that you're definitely wrong.
Also, during those ten years, I haven't experienced racism at all. Your friends must have been doing something wrong to get an attitude from the Aussies.
You can recite what the government has told you all you want. I've been in both places, and I can tell you that you've been fed a lie and swallowed it whole. -
It seems that you don't know what a migrant is. For the sake of simplicity, take it as equivalent to PR. You can therefore be an Australian migrant and a Singaporean citizen at the same time. Once you have held migrant status for two years, you are eligible to apply for citizenship - the only difference between the two after that point is that you get voting rights as a citizen.Originally posted by crazy monkey:Then you are not a migrant wat. Still Singaporean.
Anyway not everybody make it oversea. For every success story there are other ppl who fared even worse when they left.
Why I say "after that point" is that you are not covered by subsidies, concessions or welfare for the first two years, but after that two year period is over, all of these are available to you. They do this so that they get some commitment from the people who migrate there, and weed out those who just want to live off the system.
Right now, we've got three people here who have gone overseas and made it, namely fymk, Xprobe and myself. Lingos has also gone to Australia and made it, and so far Heng@ and Farmer Brown are looking pretty good in the UK and US respectively. On top of that, my best friend, who is also from Singapore and is now an Australian citizen, is doing very well as a neurologist, and the head of Bristol Meyers Australia is also a Singaporean friend of mine. Do we have any firsthand accounts here from people who have crashed and burned? Six successes against zero failures - where's the proof of your "for every success story there are other people who fared even worse " theory? -
How very true, they really still feed us all this crap at this time and age. The world is such a smaller place now. And for racist remarks among peers, gees man, they have even funnier ones against Americans, Italians, Irish, you name it. You just have to take it in the right context, the right contex is not equal to Singapore context, mind you.Originally posted by Gedanken:You can recite what the government has told you all you want. I've been in both places, and I can tell you that you've been fed a lie and swallowed it whole. -
Fymk, these are what knew from my Australian friends, especially one of my friend who is the boss of IndoChine Bar & restaurant in Singapore.Originally posted by fymk:Ang moh leh - they make mistakes - you tell them off - they respect you. That's what I learnt . They make racist remarks about me when I started my job and I laughed at it. They started to think I am ok . Now my colleagues and I are all buddies who hurl the occasional racist remarks at one another as a laugh .
Australian citizenship - I am considering - if I do not return to Singapore for 10 years I will lose my singaporean citizenship. If I become australian now , I lose my Singaporean citizenship. I am just waiting for the dual citizenship to come up now. Be stupid to shut one door at this moment because if I wait , ¸I end up with 2 doors open. I am also waiting for my american green card thing. So if I get my american greencard as well - I will shut one door - no guesses which door that will be.
i think you are wasting your time with the stupid monkey who is arguing with his baseless knowledge and narrow mind with no compassion.
Australian Ang Moh will respect you if you are genuinely good, they are brave people who admit their mistakes and willingly to learn from you or take your advice!
I have a Gas Station in East Timor. I sought Australian contractor to put up shelter for my Gas Station's Bowser area. Even though I was a Building Construction Project Manager for 19 years in Singapore.
I admired the way they work. They don't rush jobs like Siongaporen 'like mad dog''
They work on constant pace and within schedule as agreed.
see the Nicoll highway, I'm sure LTA is responsible too. I never expected LTA had allowed works to continue with that kind of situation. Fucking stupid, ultimately, our $$$Gov$$$'s main concern is only $$$$$ , and safety was compromised. For them, the gov can easily push away responsibilty and that was why the LTA had to enage "reputated" lawyer to defend and to put blame on other parties. -
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It's true, in Hong Kong and Shanghai, people respect you for your abilities, not your RANK.Originally posted by Lowclassman:Australian Ang Moh will respect you if you are genuinely good, they are brave people who admit their mistakes and willingly to learn from you or take your advice!
RANK dont mean sheet because there are so much space where one can grow horizontally in this part of the world. -
To those who have migrated and posted your views here, I totally agree with all of you. Period.
South Korea! Here I come!!! Wait for me... I'll be right there in no time! -
I don't see how can people not see the racist attitudes of the elite and how the explanation that the non elite are not the same as them and do not have the talent to do more than just blindly obey or else. How the elite had cowered the common mass into stupid obdience not to rock the boat and let the only and only party run the show. There is already racisism that the elite has against the common person. Its just that we are all conditioned so well we do not see it. I personally feel insulted that I am no better than the low class foreigners they bring in or the stupid lack of EI scholars they supported to live in their ivory towers. But I know, through my talks with people, no one ever gets the underlying meaning of the things said by the elites on TV.. Fact is most people around me are agreeing to them and keep status quo. So the elites up there laught at our stupidity. Anyways, I realised I had a lot of shallow people around me and I rather not discuss these things with them cause like religion, it makes them feel uneasy. They want to have a artificially created semblence of a "happy" existance.
So I wonder always, how can a "democratic" country have only 1 party and the others choices were eliminated for us. People actually are happy not to have vote so that the same party keeps the country "on course". For a country to only have 1 party and having that party to have a monologue with themselves on policies, regulations, decisions. Like the recent decision to raise the president pay. Hell, what is the fu.ck justification for that!!!! People are still out of jobs and working in jobs that pays them so little they are having issues and the "house" has "approved" the increment!!! Its ridiculous... I forese a raise in the bus/MRT fares soon.
In Singapore system with one party, there is absolute rule, control and power over the people who dare not even speak up. The common people who by their sheer numbers could have simply made them think twice about taking us for a ride but some how, we all did not see the power in numbers.
We are a fearful lot of people. We fear for the backlash, we fear of change, we fear of everything and the party used fear that if we vote against them, we would lose the "peaceful" and "happy" country. Seriously, I'd risk it cause to me, there is nothing to lose in this current state of the country.
Singapore uni sucks. I refused to go back for futhre studies cause I see the kind of lousy people they churn out and I myslf attended the courses and find them so theorical and useless. The teachers who taught about real things were asked to go or could not stand the stifling system and left. So I don't see how the government has the gall to call our education system world class and be so proud of it.. I tot it was like naive and really they obviously had not seen the world is just getting propaganda to work O.T. I did my further studies with Aus Uni. Its far far far better and I realised I missed out so much. -
Last I check , a permanent resident is considered a migrant to this great country I call australia. And last I check , permanent residency application papers has the words "Migrating to Australia"Originally posted by crazy monkey:Then you are not a migrant wat. Still Singaporean.
Anyway not everybody make it oversea. For every success story there are other ppl who fared even worse when they left.
There are the people who go back to singapore and whine about how racist australia is - how second class they were treated. Those could also incidentally the same people who cannot adapt to the work culture or those who are sore about not getting permanent residency. Of the two groups, I know a few people who fall within the category - they are the sour grapes. With the Singaporean government harping about second class citizenry as well , some people must think Australia must be some backwater yard with alot of red necks . HOWEVER IN ACTUAL FACT, australian in general are an ok bunch .
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Originally posted by Xprobe:
What makes you say that? I personally know and have seen a lot of people like me go overseas, and all of them are better off.
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Could not adapt to new life or find job they want.
Australians are very straight forward people - you tell them off when they did something wrong and they tell you off if you did something wrong. Most I know go the fair dinkum way. -
If you do not step into Singapore at all for 10 years , you are entitled to what the immigration calls " deprivation of citizenship". I think it is on the Singapore immigration department website.Originally posted by Xprobe:Hey, can you further elaborate on this 10 year rule, this is the 1st time i come across this, whats the definition?
Many thanks
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What a F U C K I N G insult.Originally posted by fymk:If you do not step into Singapore at all for 10 years , you are entitled to what the immigration calls " deprivation of citizenship". I think it is on the Singapore immigration department website. -
Oh yes, that's right - that rule's been in place for ages.Originally posted by fymk:If you do not step into Singapore at all for 10 years , you are entitled to what the immigration calls " deprivation of citizenship". I think it is on the Singapore immigration department website.
Of course, there's the dual citizenship issue as well. When it came time for my friend to renew his passport, he had to answer "Yes" to the question regarding citizenship in another country. The got back to him with a question like "if ALLOWED to retain Singapore citizenship, would you renounce the other one?". He just laughed hysterically.
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You know, they are so used to scare tactics, like we are trishaw coolies in the 70s.
Why this strong sense of insecured manifestation in the form of a leash?
And all this talk about being Sporean at heart, the strong sense of identity, the patriotism, what a load of contradictory crap.
The nerve! The irrelevance! The insult! -
Hell ask me about Singaporean Citizenship now, I would laugh hysterically here and now.Originally posted by Gedanken:Oh yes, that's right - that rule's been in place for ages.
Of course, there's the dual citizenship issue as well. When it came time for my friend to renew his passport, he had to answer "Yes" to the question regarding citizenship in another country. The got back to him with a question like "if ALLOWED to retain Singapore citizenship, would you renounce the other one?". He just laughed hysterically. -
Originally posted by Xprobe:You know, they are so used to scare tactics, like we are trishaw coolies in the 70s.
Why this strong sense of insecured manifestation in the form of a leash?
And all this talk about being Sporean at heart, the strong sense of identity, the patriotism, what a load of contradictory crap.
The nerve! The irrelevance! The insult!
Maybe for fear factor, the directors should ship all the contestants to Singapore and convert them into Singapore Citizens for the next 5 years. ... -
wow....isnt australian citizenship hard to get?
need work experience,sponsor,job offer .....wow ppl here are so pro. -
if you are really old and you have 600K in your account. You can get to retire thereOriginally posted by depressed:wow....isnt australian citizenship hard to get?
need work experience,sponsor,job offer .....wow ppl here are so pro.
I had a classmate who retire there. -
Crazy monkey's friends got treated 2nd class? No surprise! cos CM's friend are of the same kind like him. Just look at his replies, some are so childish and foolish.Originally posted by Gedanken:Well, you're treated as second class in Singapore when you're a citizen, so what have you got to lose?
Also, as fymk has said, the "second class citizen" story is all bull. I've been in Oz for ten years and I'm treated better than I am in Singapore, even back when I was just a student. Now that I've migrated there, I can tell you that you're definitely wrong.
Also, during those ten years, I haven't experienced racism at all. Your friends must have been doing something wrong to get an attitude from the Aussies.
You can recite what the government has told you all you want. I've been in both places, and I can tell you that you've been fed a lie and swallowed it whole.
My friend owned a building in Sydney; Apartments with 49 shoplets and yet ang mohs have to work for them! they work together in harmony. -
Wow! Its expensive real estate now in SydneyOriginally posted by Lowclassman:Crazy monkey's friends got treated 2nd class? No surprise! cos CM's friend are of the same kind like him. Just look at his replies, some are so childish and foolish.
My friend owned a building in Sydney; Apartments with 49 shoplets and yet ang mohs have to work for them! they work together in harmony. -
Not really - finished my degree there, applied for migration and got it in six months. After migration, citizenship will be offered automatically after 2 years, provided you don't get into any serious trouble.Originally posted by depressed:wow....isnt australian citizenship hard to get?
need work experience,sponsor,job offer .....wow ppl here are so pro.
The trick to it really is what you choose as a career. Don't try going for something that plenty of Australians are already doing. There's a demand for organisational psychologists in Australia now, and my doctorate helped get me an extra few points. -
ppl with ability can migrate lowclass ppl with no ability even if want to migrate no country will want them only know how to kpkb.Originally posted by Lowclassman:Crazy monkey's friends got treated 2nd class? No surprise! cos CM's friend are of the same kind like him. Just look at his replies, some are so childish and foolish.
My friend owned a building in Sydney; Apartments with 49 shoplets and yet ang mohs have to work for them! they work together in harmony.
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Kudos to you. I am worrying about how to stay in the UK and have come to be sad conclusion that my chances are VERY low. :*(Originally posted by Gedanken:Not really - finished my degree there, applied for migration and got it in six months. After migration, citizenship will be offered automatically after 2 years, provided you don't get into any serious trouble.
The trick to it really is what you choose as a career. Don't try going for something that plenty of Australians are already doing. There's a demand for organisational psychologists in Australia now, and my doctorate helped get me an extra few points.
Thinking of taking up nursing! Eheheh -
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Originally posted by Gedanken:
Not really - finished my degree there, applied for migration and got it in six months. After migration, citizenship will be offered automatically after 2 years, provided you don't get into any serious trouble.
The trick to it really is what you choose as a career. Don't try going for something that plenty of Australians are already doing. There's a demand for organisational psychologists in Australia now, and my doctorate helped get me an extra few points.
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but still,unless you belong to those super-rich type of ppl ,you have to give urself a great credit for being able to come this far
....Cost of getting a degree there is nowhere cheap,and you have to plan for your food and lodging,not to mention an entire new environment there.[/quote]