Soldier Drowning Sentence - Like Feather
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It looks to me like if you're an officer or a trainer in our army, you could get away with just a few months for murder.
I feel sad for the parents..... -
but im sure the culprit will feel guilty for their whole life~
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my ass, they probably thinking:Originally posted by Danisdead101times:but im sure the culprit will feel guilty for their whole life~
LOL I got away with murder, Ha! Ha! Ha! -
yeah plus they will say 'heh, i got dunno how much $$$$$ pumped into my bank for putting up dis Biggest Wayang Show of the century'...a few mths jail is nothing.Originally posted by the.raven:my ass, they probably thinking:
LOL I got away with murder, Ha! Ha! Ha! -
ya loh... stupidly light la the sentence...
i hope they can tekan like siao in prison by other cellmates....
give them a taste of wat it feels like to be tekan-ed. -
minister of defence should resign.
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For killing someone's son, these officers even have the cheek to appeal against their rediculously light sentences!!
Take so long to come out with the verdict, and then such a STUPID sentence. I bet if it were some civil case, a guy who killed another would have been hung high and dry months ago!!
I wouldn't let my kid undergo such hazards here in Singapore. Just imagine you brought up your son to be killed "accidentally" by the Army training officers. Easy, they call it a mistake, and accident, and say lets move on. But where does it leave the parents?
With NOTHING!! -
a shark will not attack a lawyer
why?
they don't eat their own kind -
i was rather surprised at the sentence too, esp. when it was mentioned earlier that it could be in the region of years rather than months.
but i guess in the end, if the victim's family accepts this as closure, we should all respect their decision.
as for appealing, i think it is more of a "standard procedure", although i must agree that it puts the 4 of them in even worse light and makes me feel slight revulsive. but don't forget the possibility that it's the lawyers who want to appeal, not the 4 of them. -
Why shouldn't they appeal? Its their right to do so, and they should not be condemned for exercising their rights. Remember -> innocent until proven guilty; people seem to forget that.
Now... the family needs to sue Mindef!!! -
Unless there is a chance that the family will win... translate: .01% winning
There is no point. Translate: paper chase and waste $
When such action is taken, its the same as sueing the garment - Translate : there is still an imerial family. You want an alpha S or what crap? Another way-yang?
Remember we are never a real democracy, not even close. - democracy? That's a dirty word to the politicians. NExt you will have a hard life... -
Never let the truth die on our watch.That's the very least we can do for those who have suffered.
Those who have personally committed that dastardly ACT, will know deep inside whether they are gulty or innocent.There is a greater power out there, and every action has a equal reaction. -
Nth is fair is this world
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Originally posted by lwflee:Why shouldn't they appeal? Its their right to do so, and they should not be condemned for exercising their rights. Remember -> innocent until proven guilty; people seem to forget that.
Now... the family needs to sue Mindef!!!
Sad that this was brought to the main court and not the military court. Otherwise it would have been "Guilty until proven innocent". -
Actually, i'm not sure that Mindef always wins. I think that this is a myth that Mindef and the Newspapers do not want to dispel for good reason. During my NS days, i have heard of ppl suing mindef for things like "unlawful imprisonment". However, i never did find out the outcome.
Anyone with access to a database like Lexis care to do a search on Mindef in Singapore case law?
Now, i am not against mindef per se, its just that in this case, it would appear just that Mindef be held accountable for what is, imo, a systematic failure on Mindef's part to ensure the safety of those under their charge; So many officiers have gone through the course through the years, so many high-ranking offciers have personally witnessed what is going on, so many courses have been held - that this failure to follow prescribed procedure has managed to slip under the nose of so many supposedly competent leaders and managers surely point to the fact that there is much wayanging gg on somewhere.
Mindef needs a lesson in accountability. -
In the first place, why on earth were they charged in a civillian court?Originally posted by Parka: Sad that this was brought to the main court and not the military court. Otherwise it would have been "Guilty until proven innocent".
If the SAF wanted the trial process to be transparent, they could have just opened up the Court-Martial to the press just for this trial.
And a few months' jail..... pathetic. I think shoplifters and thieves can get much heavier sentences than them. Long jail sentences may not bring the victim back to life, but the sentence is ridiculously light in view of the nature of the crime. They should have been charged with manslaughter, and they should have been jailed for years! -
Anyway, I just hope that this incident will make SAF wake up their mind.
Unprofessionalism sucks 100%. -
the four are just scapegoats to cover the backside of othersOriginally posted by lwflee:Actually, i'm not sure that Mindef always wins. I think that this is a myth that Mindef and the Newspapers do not want to dispel for good reason. During my NS days, i have heard of ppl suing mindef for things like "unlawful imprisonment". However, i never did find out the outcome.
Anyone with access to a database like Lexis care to do a search on Mindef in Singapore case law?
Now, i am not against mindef per se, its just that in this case, it would appear just that Mindef be held accountable for what is, imo, a systematic failure on Mindef's part to ensure the safety of those under their charge; So many officiers have gone through the course through the years, so many high-ranking offciers have personally witnessed what is going on, so many courses have been held - that this failure to follow prescribed procedure has managed to slip under the nose of so many supposedly competent leaders and managers surely point to the fact that there is much wayanging gg on somewhere.
Mindef needs a lesson in accountability. -
yah...dats why imprisonment is so light they scared too heavy they really spill the beans u see...Originally posted by crazy monkey:the four are just scapegoats to cover the backside of others -
Compare the handling of this death tragedy by SAF with the
handling of the Taiwan-crash death tragedy by SIA.
Which is shoddy? Which is low-class?
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Singapore forces "murdering" their own fellow man
Singapore fellow man is "worthless", only a few months jail sentence Something wrong in the organisation that such wrongdoing exists Sinner will inflict personal bad karma... -
Eh...
not enough?
my friend want MINDEF to punish those 3 indians to sell roti prata..for life..
as for the chinese guy who did the dunking, he should be made to sell...
taupok.. -
i cant help but think that mindef bribed the judge.
well on a another point,from what i heard this isnt the only case of manslaughter in the army.There are tons of others which go UNREPORTED.i guess thats why they have an intelligence officer of sumthing like that running the straits times. -
-----Ok this may be off-topic----
BUT, i was sorta thinking about this whole thing and it occured to me that it would be an extremely good idea for future courses to implement a safety word. Eg. "I surrender" or Tapping the instructor or yourself ala judo.
Inspiration for this came from a BDSM article i read sometime ago. I did a search on the net a lo and behold, it appears that this is something that the BDSM community has used for a whole already.
From http://www.xeromag.com/fvbdsafety.html
Hai... you see...we need to consult the professionals more often.
General Guidelines
- If you are going to play with bondage or spanking or resistance play or role-playing, it's often wise to establish a "safeword," which is a code word that means 'Stop, now, I'm serious.' This word should be something you won't forget and that won't come up in any other way. Many people use "Green-Yellow-Red:" Green means "everything's fine," Yellow means "Don't stop, but don't do anything harder than that," Red means "Stop everything right now."
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Btw, SAF personnel feel free to put this in WITS or SMSS(?).
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[quote]Originally posted by lwflee:
[b]-----Ok this may be off-topic----
BUT, i was sorta thinking about this whole thing and it occured to me that it would be an extremely good idea for future courses to implement a safety word. Eg. "I surrender" or Tapping the instructor or yourself ala judo.
Inspiration for this came from a BDSM article i read sometime ago. I did a search on the net a lo and behold, it appears that this is something that the BDSM community has used for a whole already.
From http://www.xeromag.com/fvbdsafety.html
Hai... you see...we need to consult the professionals more often.
=_="'
Are you trying to say Torture originated from BDSM?
That's a new train of thought...