Soldier Drowning Sentence - Like Feather
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wooo.... doncha just love our govt.Originally posted by Xprobe:Totally agree, in sec school, they labeled me trouble-maker/ problem child because I question the "one-method" to solve a particular question teachings, not willing to just accept things the way it is.
Then when I join the job market, rank and rules are everything. Hey, call me a quitter, I dont mind. -
Quitters rule !Originally posted by Xprobe:there you have it, our political heritage in a nutshell
But guys, you know what? Whatever we say dont count because:
1. We are such a minority, we are NOT your mainstream Sporean.
2. This forum is perceived as hardly a respected channel in terms of influence nor reach.
Call me a quitter by any of your kindergarten political standards, it just makes my hypothesis worthy of a Nobel Prize. -
i m not trying to b sarcastic...
dis is a democratic society mah... so every1 got the rights to speak up mah... -
Aw man, you were SERIOUS?
I'm sorry, man, I really am. -
An idealist i see, hahahaha, like how Jiang Zhemin criticize Hong Kong press, "too simple, too naive"Originally posted by xvii:i m not trying to b sarcastic...
dis is a democratic society mah... so every1 got the rights to speak up mah... -
if u go to www.petition.com u can c some ppl 1 2 gather signatures to get rid of some singers... some even worse... they wanted neopets to b in movies
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if u 1 2 help the poor chap to get back some gong dao.. den gather a certain amt of signatures den pass it to the higher authorities... c wat will b the outcome... if it fails.. den nvm lor... at least we try mah.....
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Uh, OK - let me get this straight. We have destroyed careers, jail terms and dead men here, and you're trying to compare this to singers and neopets? I don't know whether to laugh hysterically or slap you for the insult.
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Relax man, I don't think he/she's mature to realise what he's talking about.Let's not be accused of slapping kids shall we?Originally posted by Gedanken:Uh, OK - let me get this straight. We have destroyed careers, jail terms and dead men here, and you're trying to compare this to singers and neopets? I don't know whether to laugh hysterically or slap you for the insult. -
You're right, LL - I ought to slap the doctor for delivering him successfully. Man, I can't imagine what Heng will have to say about this.
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sorry to give u the wrong ideas.. i m realli very sorry...
wat i m trying to say is dat... even minor thing...ppl start petition...
N this is a SERIOUS thing n u guys dun even 1 2 try using petition....
hope i dun give the wrong idea again
i "biao da ne lee" very lousy.... -
Yeah, xvii, that was over the line - I changed it the moment after I sent it.
I don't know what you think you're dealing with here, but you're in way over your head. Pandiaraj's men have already written directly to ministers about this case, and it's had no effect. -
no harm trying mah...
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Been there, done that, and do you honestly think that this government is one that listens?
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hmmmmmmmm..... i really dunnoe
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Well, keep you eyes and ears open, and have a think about it. You'll work it out.
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dun kid yourself. democratic my Ass.Originally posted by xvii:i m not trying to b sarcastic...
dis is a democratic society mah... so every1 got the rights to speak up mah... -
oh my gawd. please tell me u r 12. maybe then i won't feel compelled to hit you.Originally posted by xvii:
if u go to www.petition.com u can c some ppl 1 2 gather signatures to get rid of some singers... some even worse... they wanted neopets to b in movies ....
if u 1 2 help the poor chap to get back some gong dao.. den gather a certain amt of signatures den pass it to the higher authorities... c wat will b the outcome... if it fails.. den nvm lor... at least we try mah..... -
Heng? Heng is flabbergasted. Is stupidity a compulsary subject in school nowadays?Originally posted by Gedanken:You're right, LL - I ought to slap the doctor for delivering him successfully. Man, I can't imagine what Heng will have to say about this. -
Hey xvii,
Some honest advice, really. I guess you must be young, do yourself a favor, keep a sensitized view and observe how rules and decisions are made around you during your process of growing up. Be it your parents, school or the government. Dont always accept the given verdict/ answer. Do not believe those that you perceive are "higher ups" always make the right choices or is always smarter. They are humans too, just like chiobus, they fart and sheet like us. There are gods in this world. If you take the official answers dished to you for granted too much, your mind becomes lazy and by the time you hit a mature age whereby you need to make major decisions in your life with major consequences, you wont be able to make good quality judgements.
Seek alternative media channels to get informed besides the straitstimes. Especially read the point of views of so-called banned publications. You must learn to ask why. When you ask why often enough, things will start to become clearer to you. You must cultivate the ability pass independent judgement, it is a very very valuable gift. -
Agreed.To have a critical eye is to help yourself come to a better understanding of things around you.Especially in SG where the apparent things are not so apparent.Originally posted by Xprobe:Hey xvii,
Some honest advice, really. I guess you must be young, do yourself a favor, keep a sensitized view and observe how rules and decisions are made around you during your process of growing up. Be it your parents, school or the government. Dont always accept the given verdict/ answer. Do not believe those that you perceive are "higher ups" always make the right choices or is always smarter. They are humans too, just like chiobus, they fart and sheet like us. There are gods in this world. If you take the official answers dished to you for granted too much, your mind becomes lazy and by the time you hit a mature age whereby you need to make major decisions in your life with major consequences, you wont be able to make good quality judgements.
Seek alternative media channels to get informed besides the straitstimes. Especially read the point of views of so-called banned publications. You must learn to ask why. When you ask why often enough, things will start to become clearer to you. You must cultivate the ability pass independent judgement, it is a very very valuable gift. -
So is the POW training stopped permanently ? Nothing seem to have been said about that. The type of training seem pretty pointless.
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well I wouldn't say it is pointless. But really, there was a bloody SOP. They should have stuck to the SOP. 'Nuff said.Originally posted by crazy monkey:So is the POW training stopped permanently ? Nothing seem to have been said about that. The type of training seem pretty pointless. -
Personally, till this date, I still cannot understand how "digging the trainee's nostril to prevent him from holding his breath while he is dunked in a tub of water", can be construed as a 'Rash and Ignorant Act'???? It is a PURPOSEFUL act, and one that led to the trainee's death by drowning!!!
How can even the word IGNORANT be used? Since when does a person live, when he doesn't hold his breath underwater? Since when was digging a person's nostril to prevent him from holding his breath, regarded as IGNORANT??? Rash, I can identify with. But certainly the fact that if one breaths in water one shall die, cannot be a fact that is easily IGNORED.
The trial has a lot of BS if you ask me.
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Originally posted by ShutterBug:
yes the trial is BS and the sentence is a cruel joke to many of us who have connections with the people involved. But it is a cruel joke in a way different to what u imagine it to be.
Personally, till this date, I still cannot understand how "digging the trainee's nostril to prevent him from holding his breath while he is dunked in a tub of water", can be construed as a [b]'Rash and Ignorant Act'???? It is a PURPOSEFUL act, and one that led to the trainee's death by drowning!!!
How can even the word IGNORANT be used? Since when does a person live, when he doesn't hold his breath underwater? Since when was digging a person's nostril to prevent him from holding his breath, regarded as IGNORANT??? Rash, I can identify with. But certainly the fact that if one breaths in water one shall die, cannot be a fact that is easily IGNORED.
The trial has a lot of BS if you ask me.
The sentence is still a cruel Joke to me....[/b][/b] -
With so much cover up can the Singapore judicial system still be trusted ?Originally posted by Gedanken:Oh boy, here we go again.
Okay, just as a quick run over what's been said here and in other threads:
Those who suspect that making the sentences heavier would open up a whole new can of worms are pretty much spot-on. I will not confirm the rumour that other people were actually involved here, but from open source data, two interesting points arise:
- what about the safety officer who wasn't at his post?
- what about the MO who approved sending a PES B man to a PES A course?
Just these two points alone should indicate that the coverage of the case was woefully inadequate, and I will leave it up to your individual judgement to work out if there were any more angles to this case that were conveniently left out.
For what it's worth, I can't make a reasonable argument that the two LTAs do not deserve their sentences. Note that this does not extend to saying that they do deserve those sentences. On the other hand, Pandiaraj and Balakrishnan were quite clearly scapegoated.
Someone asked why the case made it to civil court. There is an agreement between Mindef and the courts that if a case is of sufficient public interest, the case can be brought to civil court. In the media barrage, the Defence Minister said, "We will get to the bottom of this" publicly, creating the opening for said clause to be exercised.