Student - not WP - Calls LKY a DESPOT
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http://forums.delphiforums.com/sammyboymod/messages/?msg=65199
Those balless Charlatans from the Worker's Party give all kinds of hogwash and bullshit about taking on degenerate Scum Lee Kuan Yew BUT it takes an NUS student to call degenerate Scum Lee Kuan Yew a DESPOT.
Quite clearly the Worker's Party is not really fit for its Opposition role, which is not surprising given the fact that it is just a PHONEY Opposition.
To Low Thia Khiang & Sylvia Lim,
It is to the disadvantage of the WP to allow your Charlatan Cadre and his fellow Charlatans from the WP like SGLoyalist and EmptyCage111 and that low degenerate who uses an expletive in his nick to sully the Party's image.
http://straitstimes.asia1.com.sg/sub/singapore/story/0,5562,298700,00.html?
Feb 1, 2005
THE KENT RIDGE MINISTERIAL FORUM
How to rein in a 'despot'? Form a party
If you have different views, go into politics and air your ideas, MM Lee tells young
By Lynn Lee
A STUDENT argued for less government control and remarked that even the 'most enlightened despot' could turn into a tyrant if his powers were left unchecked.
The comment led Minister Mentor Lee Kuan Yew to throw this gauntlet down to the young: If they believe they have a better point of view to 'stake' their lives, organise, form a political party and win people over.
'There is nothing to prevent you from pushing your propaganda, to push your programme out either to the students or with the public at large... and if you can carry the ground, if you are right, you win. That's democracy. We're not preventing anybody,' he said.
The exchange took place last night during a question-and-answer session he had with university students at the Kent Ridge Ministerial Forum held at the NUS University Cultural Centre.
NUS history student Jamie Han had asked for the Internal Security Act and newspaper laws to be reviewed. This was when he made his comment on despots.
Furthermore, he said, channels to offer different views 'were either directly or indirectly controlled by the Government'.
Mr Lee first asked him if he had written to the newspapers, such as The Straits Times Forum page.
Yes, he replied. But only one letter was published.
Why not start a publication then, asked MM Lee.
The laws made it 'very difficult', the student said.
No, he could register it, said Mr Lee.
Mr Han was not persuaded.
To laughter, Mr Lee replied: 'Well, you have the Internet - put up a website. You know how to put up a website? If you don't, I know a friend who can help you.'
He returned to the point about 'despots' only later, in reply to another question.
This time, another student asked about the coming General Election.
Mr Lee said the election did not have to be held until 2007 and between now and then, it was unlikely any group could form a team that can declare it will do better than the current Government. All it could offer was to be a 'different voice'.
He asked: 'Those of you who really feel strongly that you got a better point of view, I say organise yourself - as I did. I took my life in my hands and said I stand for this.'
He recalled how when he met the Plen, or Fang Chuan Pi, in Beijing in 1992, the communist leader had told him that he had saved his life when he could have ordered him killed for taking on the communists in the 1950s.
Said Mr Lee: 'I said 'Thank you'. He could have shot me. But I told him, 'You are not a fool and you knew that if you had assassinated me, your organisation would have been crushed because I was not unpopular.'
'Had I been unpopular, then you have got rid of despot... but I was no despot. That generation knew that I fought for them.'
At this point, Mr Lee asked the student who prompted the response: How old was his father?
'50-plus,' said the student.
MM Lee said: 'If he's 50 plus, then he will remember. You don't put your life at risk in calling me a despot. Well, in order to have your views heard, if you profoundly believe that you have that passion, I say stake your life, take on with your duties, come out, put your programme, sort it out.'
He said too that the current leadership had proven its mettle, having seen the country through the Asian financial crisis in 1997 and the Sars outbreak in 2003.
Its team of 'resourceful and quick-witted, well-organised' leaders had responded to these problems methodically and systematically.
'If you believe that a vociferous opposition with good ideas would have responded in that way, you are wrong,' he said.
He added that the People's Action Party had remained in power by delivering results and getting good people to be with the party.
'That's how we stay in office, not by monopolising... but by co-opting, incorporating and moving forward. So my message to you is a simple one. Remember how we got here. And before you make fundamental changes, make sure that your alternative is viable.
'This is not an ordinary country. You have two election terms of a dud, lousy, incompetent government and you will set Singapore back so badly, it may take you decades to recover, and maybe never. If you dismantle the organisation that brought us here, don't believe it will come back.' -
brave
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Braver than Chiam and Low.Originally posted by SnowFlag:brave -
the student got guts. he form party i will support him
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he did not suggest any changes and how it should be done, NATO...as usual
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Disrespect
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NATO better than NEDTT.Originally posted by chunyong:he did not suggest any changes and how it should be done, NATO...as usual
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More will arise.The middle class is no silent majority any longer.Policies and regualtions, coupled with a combination of events have made more people left with no choice but to move out of their comfort zone and speak out.
Jamie Han, we salute you. -
Make words into action
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may bee he will form a new party.Originally posted by blur_blur:Make words into action
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He was brave to raise his opinion to the LKY.. anyway.. he has the right to.. however.. u do think he should tone down the words he used.. not to make it into a rhetoric.. there is only a tiny line separating opposition n defamation..
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What he said is just nursery standard rhetoric in most developed democracies.Those in power should learn to be more dynamic and not be too thin-skinned.
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My take on the exchange:
Student: You Suck! I want you to change!
LKY: Yea? MAKE ME!
Student: ...
LKY: *snigger* -
At least that student got guts to talk to the man.
For his own sake and future in Singapore, I hope he doesn't take on the big man
and of course how can we forget the past since it keeps coming back to haunt....urm I mean remind us. -
so if I got guts to throw a mud pie at the PM that means I can become the next prime minister also lah izzit? wtf you ppl toking abt got guts means capable meh?
If that student you say is so capable would he need to use that Q/A forum to call ppl names? It's like having an insecure person making fun of another to make himself look smart and letting everyone around him know abt it at the expense of the other person is it not? This is not politics, this is totally out of line.
That's one thing I don't like young punks like him , they like to talk big but don't know how to draw the line professionaly, you don't like the person fine then you take him on in his arena and fight him & that's guts not this name calling bullshit. This is pure crap. -
It is true that there is "a need for less government control"? most people will say yes.Originally posted by OldAhPek:Disrespect
It is true that even the "most enlightened despot" could turn into a tyrant if his powers were unchecked? absolutely YES.
I respect this undergrad for his guts to make that statement to LKY.
Did he have to challenge a young undergrad to "stake" his life??
Firstly, LKY did not go into politics as an undergrad. Secondly, he was fighting against communism and the angmoh colonial masters who were outsiders, so there were risks to his life. Now we are talking about improving the system among singaporeans, why talk about "staking" life? why need to be so defensive, sigh.....
If LKY could just laugh and asked, "young man, why did you call me a despot?" he would gain respect from me.
sigh, lou lee really lou liao..... -
And in his usual cunning style Our Dear Leader took the occasion to deliver that stale tired old story that electing opposition party will result in chaos for Singapore. He always does that just before General Election day.
Yup, Our Dear Leader yesterday reinforced my strong belief - that Singapore really needs some fresh air, and an overdue change of Government leaders.
If he is not a despot and tyrant, why is he still hanging on to power? He is definitely no Mother Theresa! -
And in his usual cunning style Our Dear Leader took the occasion to deliver that stale tired old story that electing opposition party will result in chaos for Singapore. He always does that just before General Election day.
Yup, Our Dear Leader yesterday reinforced my strong belief - that Singapore really needs some fresh air, and an overdue change of Government leaders.
If he is not a despot and tyrant, why is he still hanging on to power? -
Give the man a Tiger!
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Not only has gut but also has dignity!
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That Jamie guy probably deserves some credit for daring to speak up but calling the MM names is just outright disrespect. Even if he was a hardliner and had offended perhaps people form different parts of society, still doesn't change the fact that our young friend, is able to be at NUS shooting his mouth off in a brand new big auditorium, much thanks to the work of our government. If he is really so great, go answer the challenge and make his voice heard. Name calling is not going to get him, nor anyone, anywhere.
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Originally posted by wcafe:
lol its the ppl who made it possible.
That Jamie guy probably deserves some credit for daring to speak up but calling the MM names is just outright disrespect. Even if he was a hardliner and had offended perhaps people form different parts of society, still doesn't change the fact that our young friend, is able to be at NUS shooting his mouth off in a brand new big auditorium, much thanks to the work of our government. If he is really so great, go answer the challenge and make his voice heard. Name calling is not going to get him, nor anyone, anywhere. -
Braver than Chee and JBJ too.Originally posted by sgsentinel:Braver than Chiam and Low.
EmptyCage -
Jamie han still has a long way to go.Originally posted by EmptyCage:Braver than Chee and JBJ too.
EmptyCage -
but at least he took the first step.Originally posted by sgsentinel:Jamie han still has a long way to go.