singapore... shd i come back?
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i suggest u keep get a foreign passport and come back to s'pore as an expat..life will be no doubt much much much much better
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after reading ur status,
i will come back if,
1)my fren is still all around.
2)my another half/GF agree(or my love in SG)
3)got enuff room for my career in singapore(no point come back if u study design, EU better market).
PS:pls dont come back singapore
1)if u got rotten by drug in england.
2)come back to form a international gang.
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since u can get a job there, stay there.... earn as much as u can then come back for retirement....
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As one who have actually stayed in UK before, you tried asking people here who would probably not have stayed there before??!!
You probably know the pros and cons better yourself.
Anyway, your question seems to be about staying there rather than giving up citizenship.
In that case, I would say it is always a good idea to experience the world, if you are feel comfortable enough in doing so. So, stay there if you feel comfortable. Live it for a few years. Then decide what is the life you want. There is a lot of non-political, non-economical consideration when it comes to migration. Cultural, geographical, family ties issues are a few which often comes into mind. -
Don't even think about it. Stay there for good. Life there is better than here, mate!
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I think its better to leave your heart in the UK. There's no point in coming back to Singapore. The government stinks and I don't see any future in Singapore. There's just so much we can do on this bladdy island. So much for being a little red dot on the world map. Just way too insignificant...
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I wouldn't come back once I've gone away.Originally posted by sacredspirits:hmm...
i hv been away for a year.... came back recently for chinese new year... but i m still not sure what i would like to do in the future.... whether to come back to singapore or to continue staying in UK till my visa runs out..... i have always considered myself a 'heartlander'... true blue chinese singaporean..... very 'channel 8', speak singlish, play mahjong, makan at kopitiam or hawker centre, go si bei lor pray pray at times during the chinese new year....
living in UK for a year has it pros and cons..... i realised how narrow-minded we have always been (wah lao! south africa is not a very poor state which consists of only black people!!)... how we have always been taking things for granted (do u know the name and dosage of any medication that your doctor gives u?? ha... in UK, b'cos the doctors are not so efficient, everyone will know and find out about the medication that their doctors prescribed!!... have we always been accepting things as they have been told!!??).... i cycle to work in UK (transport too ex in UK!!) but have never been honked by UK drivers... but here, just went cycling in west coast and genna honked by singapore drivers on my way from clementi to west coast park!!! piang.... so sad....
that's not all... there are just too many things that make me think... i agree that we should not have a welfare state (people DO abuse the system there), but i also agree on the statement once made, 'in singapore, can die but cannot fall sick....' have we done enough for the less fortunate? is it their fault that they are not able to make ends meet or that their situation does not allow them AT ALL to make ends meet?
no.... i am not saying that the grass is greener in UK.... there are a lot of inefficiencies, stupid strikes, unreasonable prices/taxes and high crime rates there.... on the other hand, there are also more polite people there (they DO say thank you to the bus drivers there), more family-oriented working culture (always been 5 working days, 36 hrs per week and i knock off zun zun at 5pm.... just like all my other colleagues) and of cos better recognition of my profession there......
since my return to singapore, many have asked me whether i will be coming back to singapore.... i really dunno.... i am really taking one step at a time now and just see how things go.... i guess whatever will b, will b.......
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I will leave this land to find my pasture, and I might return if the pasture leads me here.But I'll come back as an expat, especially since we are an unashamedly pro-foreign nation.
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come back as an foreign talent. you will get more in SG as a FT.Originally posted by sacredspirits:hmm...
i hv been away for a year.... came back recently for chinese new year... but i m still not sure what i would like to do in the future.... whether to come back to singapore or to continue staying in UK till my visa runs out..... i have always considered myself a 'heartlander'... true blue chinese singaporean..... very 'channel 8', speak singlish, play mahjong, makan at kopitiam or hawker centre, go si bei lor pray pray at times during the chinese new year....
living in UK for a year has it pros and cons..... i realised how narrow-minded we have always been (wah lao! south africa is not a very poor state which consists of only black people!!)... how we have always been taking things for granted (do u know the name and dosage of any medication that your doctor gives u?? ha... in UK, b'cos the doctors are not so efficient, everyone will know and find out about the medication that their doctors prescribed!!... have we always been accepting things as they have been told!!??).... i cycle to work in UK (transport too ex in UK!!) but have never been honked by UK drivers... but here, just went cycling in west coast and genna honked by singapore drivers on my way from clementi to west coast park!!! piang.... so sad....
that's not all... there are just too many things that make me think... i agree that we should not have a welfare state (people DO abuse the system there), but i also agree on the statement once made, 'in singapore, can die but cannot fall sick....' have we done enough for the less fortunate? is it their fault that they are not able to make ends meet or that their situation does not allow them AT ALL to make ends meet?
no.... i am not saying that the grass is greener in UK.... there are a lot of inefficiencies, stupid strikes, unreasonable prices/taxes and high crime rates there.... on the other hand, there are also more polite people there (they DO say thank you to the bus drivers there), more family-oriented working culture (always been 5 working days, 36 hrs per week and i knock off zun zun at 5pm.... just like all my other colleagues) and of cos better recognition of my profession there......
since my return to singapore, many have asked me whether i will be coming back to singapore.... i really dunno.... i am really taking one step at a time now and just see how things go.... i guess whatever will b, will b.......
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Wah!Originally posted by ratinacage:NO! -
That's really far sighted... but it is true that the govt is pro-FT. So the solution is to go overseas and live there (equivalent to repackaging oneself) and then coming back to earn big bucks!Originally posted by LazerLordz:I will leave this land to find my pasture, and I might return if the pasture leads me here.But I'll come back as an expat, especially since we are an unashamedly pro-foreign nation. -
What to do..The only thing to acheive in this world is to be mobile.Both financially and work-wise.Originally posted by foxwalk:That's really far sighted... but it is true that the govt is pro-FT. So the solution is to go overseas and live there (equivalent to repackaging oneself) and then coming back to earn big bucks! -
Well,if u can find an ang moh bf,then go ahead.But it should be out of ur own will.Anyway,it is better than get married n born children here n then get tortured by our own"chinese politicians".Originally posted by sacredspirits:wah...
seems like most are advising me not to come back! hmm.... ok.... if i find myself an ang moh (or whatever colour) boy boy there, then i will stay there long long liaoz... ha.....
(si bei jia lat.... one year still no yan4 yu4... mayb shd consider what my frens said.... wear cheong sum and do bar top dancing... ha......) -
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Sorry,double post! I edit wrongly.....
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It's better to stay overseas than come back here. Let's put it in tis way: You learn how to grow up in that kind of environment and u also learn how to conduct ur own life without much interference frm govt- unlike in S'pore, where most pple r subjected to social engineering by the govt & society here.
Besides if the UK govt and citizens are treating u fairly over there, why come bk here where the govt here care abt S'poreans less & less? -
How come it appears that u guys have the perception that our govt is caring less and less?
Is Sg really a bad place (to live, study, work, play) afterall?
So many voiced abt their discontent of this little island..
Hmmz..
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If the social engineering is in your favour, I suppose you'd say you are treated fairly, and if you don't see any benefits for you in the policies then the government would be deemed to be less caring. There are pros and cons in every country and every society. We learn to adapt, or we choose where we want to go. We decide, not the society nor the government.Originally posted by timothytsgsg:It's better to stay overseas than come back here. Let's put it in tis way: You learn how to grow up in that kind of environment and u also learn how to conduct ur own life without much interference frm govt- unlike in S'pore, where most pple r subjected to social engineering by the govt & society here.
Besides if the UK govt and citizens are treating u fairly over there, why come bk here where the govt here care abt S'poreans less & less?
I stayed 4 yrs in HK and 3 yrs in Shanghai as expat, wow, I had lots of fun. But, I was very miserable, especially during weekend, when I spent three months in Germany, with everything paid for by the company, because I had only a few friends. But I still prefer Singapore because of my children's education and my wife is gainfully employed here. So, it is not about government or social engineering, it is where you can make money and where you have friends, the choice is yours. You don't go anywhere because you like the government!! -
Originally posted by sacredspirits:hmm...
i hv been away for a year.... came back recently for chinese new year... but i m still not sure what i would like to do in the future.... whether to come back to singapore or to continue staying in UK till my visa runs out..... i have always considered myself a 'heartlander'... true blue chinese singaporean..... very 'channel 8', speak singlish, play mahjong, makan at kopitiam or hawker centre, go si bei lor pray pray at times during the chinese new year....
TRY CHINA MY FRIEND, ESPECIALLY IF YOU ARE ULTRA COMFY WITH BEING A CHANNEL 8 TYPE OF PERSON. YOU WILL GET USED TO IT PRONTO.
living in UK for a year has it pros and cons..... i realised how narrow-minded we have always been (wah lao! south africa is not a very poor state which consists of only black people!!)... how we have always been taking things for granted (do u know the name and dosage of any medication that your doctor gives u?? ha... in UK, b'cos the doctors are not so efficient, everyone will know and find out about the medication that their doctors prescribed!!... have we always been accepting things as they have been told!!??).... i cycle to work in UK (transport too ex in UK!!) but have never been honked by UK drivers... but here, just went cycling in west coast and genna honked by singapore drivers on my way from clementi to west coast park!!! piang.... so sad....
NOW YOU KNOW...BEEN BACK FOR 7 DAYS IN SINGAPORE AND COULDNT WAIT TO GET BACK BECAUSE MY MIND JUST STARTED TO SHIFT TO 3RD...2ND AND 1ST GEAR. I ATTRIBUTE IT TO THE HOT WEATHER AND THE ULTRA STATE OF STABILITY OF SINGAPORE. NO EXCITEMENT AND RISK, SO NO NEED TO BE ALERT 24/7.
that's not all... there are just too many things that make me think... i agree that we should not have a welfare state (people DO abuse the system there), but i also agree on the statement once made, 'in singapore, can die but cannot fall sick....' have we done enough for the less fortunate? is it their fault that they are not able to make ends meet or that their situation does not allow them AT ALL to make ends meet?
no.... i am not saying that the grass is greener in UK.... there are a lot of inefficiencies, stupid strikes, unreasonable prices/taxes and high crime rates there.... on the other hand, there are also more polite people there (they DO say thank you to the bus drivers there), more family-oriented working culture (always been 5 working days, 36 hrs per week and i knock off zun zun at 5pm.... just like all my other colleagues) and of cos better recognition of my profession there......
since my return to singapore, many have asked me whether i will be coming back to singapore.... i really dunno.... i am really taking one step at a time now and just see how things go.... i guess whatever will b, will b.......
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Hey, you still in Shanghai?Originally posted by sgdiehard:If the social engineering is in your favour, I suppose you'd say you are treated fairly, and if you don't see any benefits for you in the policies then the government would be deemed to be less caring. There are pros and cons in every country and every society. We learn to adapt, or we choose where we want to go. We decide, not the society nor the government.
I stayed 4 yrs in HK and 3 yrs in Shanghai as expat, wow, I had lots of fun. But, I was very miserable, especially during weekend, when I spent three months in Germany, with everything paid for by the company, because I had only a few friends. But I still prefer Singapore because of my children's education and my wife is gainfully employed here. So, it is not about government or social engineering, it is where you can make money and where you have friends, the choice is yours. You don't go anywhere because you like the government!! -
Come back if you think being totured by the(most singaporeans know who they are) are fun.
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Returned last year.Originally posted by Xprobe:Hey, you still in Shanghai? -
Singapore is a small place & very difficult to find a good paying job given the poor economy.
Look for jobs with overseas postings esp in China cos that is where the action is.
Get the experience & build on the overseas network.
I have frens & relatives who are doing very well overseas, their kids are studying in less stressful int'l schs. & they own big houses + car. -
For me, its different. I prefer my children to be independent and able to make good decisions from a good age. An education that emphasis more on individualism, honesty(mayb, mayb not), creativity, and decisive thinking will help towards that.Originally posted by sgdiehard:If the social engineering is in your favour, I suppose you'd say you are treated fairly, and if you don't see any benefits for you in the policies then the government would be deemed to be less caring. There are pros and cons in every country and every society. We learn to adapt, or we choose where we want to go. We decide, not the society nor the government.
I stayed 4 yrs in HK and 3 yrs in Shanghai as expat, wow, I had lots of fun. But, I was very miserable, especially during weekend, when I spent three months in Germany, with everything paid for by the company, because I had only a few friends. But I still prefer Singapore because of my children's education and my wife is gainfully employed here. So, it is not about government or social engineering, it is where you can make money and where you have friends, the choice is yours. You don't go anywhere because you like the government!!
The education system here is flawed and so is the social system tat has been fostered here since 1965. I simply don't agree with this system at all. This is the 21st century, not the Confucius century. That century is past, its over. And very soon, the most famous adovcate of that old system is gonna go.
I put a lot of importance on govt because what the govt does will obviously affect the people below. In this regard, I rate the PAP very poorly. I'm sorry but I will not be patriotic when it comes to this.
When I think of my future and my own personal future family, I don't think abt patriotism. I think about the happiness of my family, how well balanced the financial aspects, how is the future education policies are, the children's social lives and their stress levels are etc. I wouldn't subject my family to the PAP social engineering policies and the outdated social rules imposed by the conservative members of the S'pore society in general.
The S'pore society is flawed- and while all other societies are also flawed- Singapore society is very much more flawed than the majority of the rest. -
You'll know when the time comes. Though I was born in Singapore, I am now a citizen of another country. The decision was a very natural one. I lived overseas for about 9 years and then went back to Singapore to try to see if I could adapt to the weather, culture and lifestyle again. I was miserable everyday for about 8 months. Should have given myself more time to adapt, but I would have killed myself by then. Anyway, the decision to leave Singapore permanently then came naturally. You don't have to think about that now.