Singapore girls - a challenge to love
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Some of your points are valid and I agree with you. But just look around this forum to see how much women bashing there has been... and you'll know men are not the silent victims that you imagine them to be.Originally posted by stupidissmart:Actually I am a bit surprised tat so many girls felt singaporean men r useless... Tis actually just confirm the suspicion tat singaporean girl, in a sense, really become a bit too choosy. Is singaporean guy tat useless ? I mean, can we really blame a person if he do not succeed fiancially ? There r always people losing out in the rat race and does tat make him being despised and look down upon ? I thought personality compatibility is the more important than choosing fiancial compatibility... Tat really means tat singaporean blue collar or poorer male really can't find a singaporean wife... IMO, a normal male will prefer to choose a singaporean wife than a foreign one. Why choose a person who had difficulty in learning your culture and language who is also a potential embarrassment (finding a foreign wife meant u can't find a local one) to yourself ? Maybe they r really right in saying tat they can't find a singaporean girl willing to be his wife because they r too choosy. They rather remains single then marrying a "prince riding a white horse".
I also find it a surprise tat a lot of girls here put all the blame of a failed relationship on the men solely... IMO a failed relationship may means both party is at fault and not just one sided... And even if it really is the fault of one party, it shouldn't be used to knock down the whole perception of male in general. Another surprise I have is some girls actually do not intend to get married and list down reasons why marriage is out. IMO, marriage meant a totally diffeent thing from wat she described. Marriage has nothing to do with "servitude and slavery". If there is true love to each other, they will "volunteer" to help out others and also can "demand help" when he/she needs it as well. I don't know man... children r better raised from your own, the thought of staying in an old folks home remind me of a hospice and pets can't even talk... unless u just want a listener who cannot comunicate back... I find more compelling reasons to get married than not.
Even my bf says, why are some of the guys here such sore losers? -
'Cos those guys were born with silver spoons in their mouths. I know of many guys who never have to lift a finger at home, and get everything they want without ever having to work for it. Blame it on their well-to-do parents, who spoil them when they were young.
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Not necessarily. My view of why women are more in tune in changing times is because times have changed in the favor of women, that's why they are in tune with the times. The men are not because they still hold very MCP ideals.Originally posted by aRcTiC_sTaR:'Cos those guys were born with silver spoons in their mouths. I know of many guys who never have to lift a finger at home, and get everything they want without ever having to work for it. Blame it on their well-to-do parents, who spoil them when they were young. -
My view of why women are more in tune in changing times is because times have changed in the favor of women, that's why they are in tune with the times. The men are not because they still hold very MCP ideals.
That is very true. Times have changed to the better for women while it had turned for the bad for the guys. Maybe that is why women accept these changes more easily than the guys. I mean, housework is now split between the spouses and women get to work. However traditional values such as men contributing to the household expenditure still sticks. -
Huh the wife don't contribute to household?
guys always talk as if their money bigger. -
How I wish they were silent. At least I still have some respect for them.Originally posted by foxwalk:Some of your points are valid and I agree with you. But just look around this forum to see how much women bashing there has been... and you'll know men are not the silent victims that you imagine them to be.
Even my bf says, why are some of the guys here such sore losers?
Anyways, if its really the case as the papers reported it, then all the not so well to do, not so handsome, just average guys out there would all be single and marrying foreign brides... but that's not the case. -
aiyah everyting is the same lah
Since era of Caveman, cave woman will find caveman who can catch biggest dinosaur to eat, and have bigger caves. Built in mentality. Along the way, women realised that can catch biggest dinosaur, and big cave doesn't mean he can treat you well, so add more requisites into it. More sophisticated the society, more a woman needs to look into for a long term relationship that CAN give her a stable family (with or without kids)
overseas, Sg men compared to their local men, looks richer have more things
so women more willing to marry you loh
but in Sg.. if you cannot compare to other local men, then Sg women try to find better catch elsewhere lor. But if Sg women like AngMo, then they SPG. then what, those foreign brides also SPG also what (Singaporean Party Girl).
so double standards that women in other countries can 'marry up' and not be 'materialistic' simply cos their idea of 'materialistic' is something achieveable.
Anyway all these requisites, I think all add up to 100 percent. So if you less of something, more of the other, still will see highest score. Such as, if you poor, but very great personality, very kind very this and that, well, u still score high.
BUT if you poor, ugly, selfish, petty, calculative, aiyah dont say girl choose, if you are a girl, would you choose you too? -
the 2nd case I meet before.. .somemore in SDU.. ARG!Originally posted by ShrodingersCat:Anyway all these requisites, I think all add up to 100 percent. So if you less of something, more of the other, still will see highest score. Such as, if you poor, but very great personality, very kind very this and that, well, u still score high.
BUT if you poor, ugly, selfish, petty, calculative, aiyah dont say girl choose, if you are a girl, would you choose you too?
The Chinese drama yesterday night, the speed dating section. Its not a joke cause me and a friend join SDU activities and the guys are really like that if you do not Bang Neh or show bah
So I quit SDU liao. Cause its stupid to pay money and get insulted and see the low life there. -
i find this quite hard to believe seeing as how this issue affects you so muchOriginally posted by foxwalk:To you it's impossible. But do I care? Not one sh!t bit. I dun care for chauvinist men with a "toad in the well" kind of outlook on life.
In the meantime, I don't give two rat's tails!
personal vendetta?Originally posted by foxwalk:A few guys here find my attitude hard to swallow, but do I care? At least I'm not those losers who keep posting the same old stale thread instead of taking charge of their lives.
Want to get a foreign bride? Go ahead! Coming here to post the same thing 3 or 4 times is not going to improve your lives.
oldbreadstinks, i know you have a personal vendetta against me since the whole GAZ episode and everything I said you have so far tried to be nothing but targetting it. You don't have anything better to do? Find your foreign bride! Good local men are a rare find. Those who found one, please enlighten me on your experiences.
i've almost forgotten who's involved in the gaz episode except for the gaz guy himself
as for me targetting everything you say, you'll have to take that back, because i don't, its only when you say something i take offense to, i make a reply, and you have a knack for that, like the comments on your children not being chinese, i really feel sorry for you if you're chinese , when you make valid points, do you see me quoting them?
i feel that you have an attitude problem, and you're not slow in admitting to it yourself
and instead of blaming those "those losers who keep posting the same old stale thread instead of taking charge of their lives."
why not put some blame on those who keep posting in the same old thread, instead of pushing the blame to one side,
unless you have never heard of " there's no supply if there's no demand, "
and as for getting something better to do, it depends on your point of view, are you going to tell me coke is better than pesi because you like coke? and then i can only drink coke? -
Someone lend me the yawn emoticon.Originally posted by oldbreadstinks:personal vendetta?
i've almost forgotten who's involved in the gaz episode except for the gaz guy himself
as for me targetting everything you say, you'll have to take that back, because i don't, its only when you say something i take offense to, i make a reply, and you have a knack for that, like the comments on your children not being chinese, i really feel sorry for you if you're chinese , when you make valid points, do you see me quoting them?
i feel that you have an attitude problem, and you're not slow in admitting to it yourself
and instead of blaming those "those losers who keep posting the same old stale thread instead of taking charge of their lives."
why not put some blame on those who keep posting in the same old thread, instead of pushing the blame to one side,
unless you have never heard of " there's no supply if there's no demand, "
and as for getting something better to do, it depends on your point of view, are you going to tell me coke is better than pesi because you like coke? and then i can only drink coke? -
And what's wrong with my kids not being chinese? They have to be 100% chinese?? What if they're not?Originally posted by oldbreadstinks:and you have a knack for that, like the comments on your children not being chinese, i really feel sorry for you if you're chinese , when you make valid points, do you see me quoting them?
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Singapore Girls, a challenge to love????? I don't think so!!!!
Singapore Girls, a challenge to sleep with???? YEAHHHHH!!!!
Compared with girls abroad (WHO TEND TO BE MORE WILD!!!!), Singapore Girls are very decent, sticky and "Pure". Girls in western countries etc have the cool factor in them, that makes them go for guys who are cool, divorce rates abroad are way more than the % in Singapore. Though personally, i love ABCs (Aussie born or American born chinese), i find it too hard to keep a relationship with them. They tend to be so cool about things, so cool that they would leave ya as coolly too. Maybe i don't talk their "language" or something, i don't know...
But never would i find an abroad girl being sticky.
Of course, wild girls are always more interesting, and probably, they have the energy and adventured life that makes them so cool. SG girls can be kinda boring at times, but living in SG is kinda boring many times anyway.
Even if the new generations are getting more hippie and wild, it still never really outbeats what's abroad. Somehow, this country is still covered with much conservatism. So that makes them hard to sleep with, to be frank!!!!
But when it comes to asking the question, are SG girls more materialistic, OH YEAH!!! Are abroad girls materialistic too, OH YEAH!!!! Girls everywhere are kinda materialistic after all, or maybe culture is made that way. But when they find their right one, " too hell with money!!!"
And oh yeah, SG girls worry more about things, but SG guys worry too. We worry more than people abroad!! -
lets be a little bit objective in this...Originally posted by aRcTiC_sTaR:'Cos those guys were born with silver spoons in their mouths. I know of many guys who never have to lift a finger at home, and get everything they want without ever having to work for it. Blame it on their well-to-do parents, who spoil them when they were young.
the same can be said of singaporean women... born of well to do parents and never had to lift a finger to work in their life.
it gets problematic when this assumption gets extended into the realm of relationships and both parties end up waiting for the other to take the initiative.
i think sg men and women are becoming more and more alike... thats probably why its so hard for them to see eye to eye now. -
yeah, I prefer ABC girls- maybe they dun behave like 100% chinese but that's not a problem because they are much more adventerous than their local counterparts.
The relationship oso won't b so stale n boring after a while- whereas the local ladies(judging by the TNP article) just wants the guys to do everything for them!
I do some of the girls and some of the guys need do a rethinking- instead of accusing each other of being boring. -
can't find the exact post, but as i recall, i wasn't against them not being chinese, but the way you posted with the hint that you are happy they won't beOriginally posted by foxwalk:And what's wrong with my kids not being chinese? They have to be 100% chinese?? What if they're not? -
i read the speed dating article about speed dating research on ST yesterday, well woman are also guility of judging based on looks..for example want a taller and handsome face.
those fortunate guys with rich dads who posses these qualities as well have a absolute competitive advantage no doubt.
for the rest of the normal average beings who want a attractive, fair lady... its either waiting up a miracle/fate or u must be very pro-active or just simpily lower the expectations....
meanwhile, me as a average being... i just work like no tomolo
, hopefully one day will gain fruits. -
I'm not Singaporean and grew up in Oz.
Personally I don't find SG girls hard to love. The ones I have met are intelligent, charming, attractive and confident + they have the resources $. This type of girl needs someone who can relate to them on an even level, not feel intimidated by them, and who will put in some effort to get them and maintain the r'ship. The guys I have talked to here seem not to want to put in effort.
Treat them the way you would want to be treated by them and shouldn't be any probs. -
i wish i can agree with you, but i can't, judging from my life's experiences, i can only say you're not lying, but that doesn't mean you're telling the truthOriginally posted by odysseus:I'm not Singaporean and grew up in Oz.
Personally I don't find SG girls hard to love. The ones I have met are intelligent, charming, attractive and confident + they have the resources $. This type of girl needs someone who can relate to them on an even level, not feel intimidated by them, and who will put in some effort to get them and maintain the r'ship. The guys I have talked to here seem not to want to put in effort.
Treat them the way you would want to be treated by them and shouldn't be any probs. -
Who needs girls when I have my work, my research, my money, my books and my mum and dad to love? I've given up on girls here..
I rather die rich and donate all my money to charity then share it with some girl who loves yusof ishak... -
huh? why's that?Originally posted by Misogynist:I rather die rich and donate all my money to charity then share it with some girl who loves yusof ishak...
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Originally posted by Misogynist:
not all will love yusof ishaks lah... who will care for the purple or red ones?
I rather die rich and donate all my money to charity then share it with some girl who loves yusof ishak...
must be the brown ones or at least the blue ones lah...
and its not just ishaks mah... u forgot to mention visa, master, amex and shiny white rocks... -
[quote]i wish i can agree with you, but i can't, judging from my life's experiences, i can only say you're not lying, but that doesn't mean you're telling the truth
btw .... I'm only referring to the girls that I've had committed relationships with not the girls that are just friends or acquaintances.
If I can see that the girl doesn't accept me for who I am but who I'm not or rather who she wants me to be then I know that I may not want a relationship with her. But there are many girls like that in Oz too. By the same token there are many girls here which look past the materialism and these are the girls that I'm referring to. -
i like mistyblue and odysseus' replies.
personally, i feel that sg men are asking too much of their female counterparts. the cost of living in sg is getting pretty high. both parents need to work to support the children. (most families anyway). so men want their wives to help in the family income. and on top of that they want wives to cook, wash, iron, bring in the papers, make coffee, massage, have sex, look after the kids, mop the floor, make the bed, stay young and sexy etc etc etc etc for them??!!!!!
i don't think so.
if sg men want a housewife, a gal who will gladly give you children, look after your kids, pamper you when u get home from work, then make sure you're the only one who's bringing the bread home. that way, your wife doesn't have to juggle YOU with her WORK and KIDS.
honestly, before you men point fingers, do some soul searching.
you think we women really WANT to be successful in our careers?? we are only fighting for our survival. we NEED to be able to feed ourseleves in case men are not up to it. we can't rely on marriage as 100% as before, so we need to have a career to fall back on. who doesn't want to be fed by another person, don't have to go and work and face all those #$&@^$ collegues and bosses??
amidst all the "love is about being able to connect at the emotional level" romance, it's about time to get down to business. the lovey dovey i'll-love-you-forever doesn't fill stomachs. you want a wife, you need to be able to feed her.
and for GOD's sake, sg women aren't all that successful in their careers like we all think. only 20% of the top managerial positions in singapore are occupied by women. guys are still at the top, no matter what we all think or want. so guys... make your own mark. don't blame women when you can't get them ok? -
Originally posted by starblue:
i only need these two " have sex , stay young and sexy"
[b]i like mistyblue and odysseus' replies.
personally, i feel that sg men are asking too much of their female counterparts. the cost of living in sg is getting pretty high. both parents need to work to support the children. (most families anyway). so men want their wives to help in the family income. and on top of that they want wives to cook, wash, iron, bring in the papers, make coffee, massage, have sex , look after the kids, mop the floor, make the bed, stay young and sexy etc etc etc etc for them??!!!!!
i probably can cook better, wash better, iron better and i don't read crap times, i don't drink coffee at home, i don't like people to massage me, i can mop my own floor, and as for kids i don't mind taking turns, or even giving up working to stay home
so? how's that? but i still need to be f***ing rich if i want a wife -
sg women (not all, only some) : SHOW ME THE MONEY!!!! SHOW ME THE MONEY!!!!