Population issue
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do you think singapore is over-crowded or under populated?
which situation do u think will do us good? -
Singapore, at 6,283 persons per km², is the third densest populated country in the world
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It is freakishly overcrowded but for the sake of economic progress, our government will try increase the population ever further via emmigration, nevermind the need for breathing space.
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Currently with the population at 4 million, the roads and public transportation are already so packed during peak hours. Imagine in 10 to 20 years time, when the population increases to 5, 6 or 8 million.
Granted the need to increase population for the sake of fueling economic growth, the space in Singapore is way too little. Other countries have the luxury of expanding their cities and towns as they have more land but in Singapore, what you see is what you get, there is only as much land that you can reclaim and high rise buildings you can build. -
Altho we are quite packed, we are still not multiplying like rabbits (pun intended to www)
Singapore current birthrate is not enuff to replace the ones dying off. -
can't walk the streets without bumping into someone
There's a cost to larger population but is the system ready to handle it. Are the people ready to deal with it... I feel not but the system would always beg to differ.
There is a corelation that the higher the density, the less space each has, there will be more anger, stress related issues. -
i am more worried abt space, we are packed like sardines....
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i would suggest the powers that be, like our PM, to live a month like us average joes... taking the public transport without his posse of security with him, getting jostled in the trains, crammed in the buses...
and see if the citizens of the ivory towers realise we're crammed to almost breaking point.. -
IMHO, while lower population would mean slower growth, it could also signify lesser conflicts as resources will be more abundant.
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Hahahaa!Originally posted by the Bear:i would suggest the powers that be, like our PM, to live a month like us average joes... taking the public transport without his posse of security with him, getting jostled in the trains, crammed in the buses...
and see if the citizens of the ivory towers realise we're crammed to almost breaking point..
If any of them actually know and would "lower" themselves to cram with the public
do you think they would be making all that stupid policies.
The country is not called Singapore Inc. for nothing. And for any company, bottom line, profit and productivity are paramount. Humans are replacable isn't it, by the way of the FT policies.
These "leaders" had been buffering themselves from reality and seem so successful at it. Seriously I wonder when will crown the monach and his loyal nobility and subjects all living in that castle in the sky. -
sadly, you're right...
this would be good advice in any organisation.. for the bigwigs to do what their frontline working hacks do for a while...Originally posted by mistyblue:Hahahaa!
If any of them actually know and would "lower" themselves to cram with the public
do you think they would be making all that stupid policies.
The country is not called Singapore Inc. for nothing. And for any company, bottom line, profit and productivity are paramount. Humans are replacable isn't it, by the way of the FT policies.
These "leaders" had been buffering themselves from reality and seem so successful at it. Seriously I wonder when will crown the monach and his loyal nobility and subjects all living in that castle in the sky. -
on my way to work every morning, i have this fantasy of throwing our ministers into the mrt during rush hours and let them have a feel of wat it is like.
yet they want more babies. -
Originally posted by www:on my way to work every morning, i have this fantasy of throwing our ministers into the mrt during rush hours and let them have a feel of wat it is like.
yet they want more babies.
I like to throw them on the tracks... -
from wat i`ve known
the citizens are singapore`s only form of natural resource
that`s why the gov needs to preserve citezen quality
as well as population
it`s wat keeps us goin on
the people -
actually we are alredi experiencing slower growth, 3% to 4%, while it used to be two digit growth two decades agoOriginally posted by www:IMHO, while lower population would mean slower growth, it could also signify lesser conflicts as resources will be more abundant.
i am not sure about lower population ,since sg is moving from industrialisation to capital intensive industries...
but we may not have enough people to support the intellectual growth we need, ie, sufficient people to work in bio medical industries
some of these industries support the economy, and in this case, i seriously dont support lower growth, as it means we are less competitive..
sg is basically too small, we have to work hard to keep up or to remain ahead, if ever we shall say, lets take a break, we are in for trouble...
if ever we shall see singapore being less attractive to work in by foreign workers, we have rely back on our population to do the jobs we used to dislike, ie, contruction works -
The cycle is continuing .. the new "leaders" must come from certain schools, with certain education and such.Originally posted by the Bear:sadly, you're right...
this would be good advice in any organisation.. for the bigwigs to do what their frontline working hacks do for a while...
I was quite shocked in the past that If I were to join the military fresh from school, I would jump directly into quite a high rank without having to go through the rigourous training the rest have to learn... So I asked myself if I can truly lead these people... I knew I can't. But this system persists in singapore which is ridiculous.
I wonder about the breaking point where the ppl are just sick of the lies they are fed.
It was so funny when the news so happily reported the unemployment rate gone down.. But the fact is that people used to work in a 2K job now have to work 3 jobs part time on contract basis just to cover that 2K. So that's what our leaders call employment and improving economy... -
those who keep talking about increasing population for "economic" reasons forget something..
there is a breaking point...
when that is reached, what next?
there should be a different way... a better way... increasing the population is just heading 100mph into a dead-end street... -
i would say it will be crazy to try to increase population to support the economy, in lets say, malaysia, but this is sg
we are stuck between the devil and deep blue sea... -
Are there more jobs waiting for the increasing populations?
if not, more ppl will be unemployed
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all i see is, vacancies on the classified page
but then again, i would rather say this is an issue of job fit, not population size -
i agree with laurence if we still in the form of industrialization where the more people u have, the more productivity you are.
however, are we still in this phase?
with today's technology and advancement, a group of ten doesnt necessarily be more productivity than a group of two. there is always options to outsource labour work.
to produce or educate in mass is not always the best alternative.
i always believe better qualify can be achieved with one teacher to 10 students, than one teacher to 50 students. -
I wonder which economist would tell you increasing population size would increase the economic growth... maybe our "leader" should be sent out to tell all those small population countries about their "poor" economic growth...
There are more factors in macro economics than just population. One of which is the govt policies. Even with 10 million, we won't grow much if the policies our "leader" set are counter productive.
the population renewal is dual prong. One of whch if no one ever noticed is the govt is dead set against support us when we age, So we were forced to have CPF. Then they realised CPF is insufficient. So they want to have a more younger people to support the increasing number of older people (or hope they all become quitters). Yes, having more younger people is good for the economy and they had calculated the returns from having young people and they have held this single idealogy dearly. However, their policies and system right now cannot handle the multitudes of issues that arise in this new age and thinking in the higher number of younger people. And the young also do not want to be saddled with having to take care of the old. -
yar who says increasing population supports economic growth?
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Agree with www
yeah lah, we are past industralization. We are into information age. Fact is that we do not need to ship ppl into singapore to use their talent and access their assets/
In fact, I am fighting for my job with some engineer located in India. He will never step into Singapore to get a offer for my job.
That, btw is who you are truly competiting with .. no longer with only your peers but better, more qualified ppl from anywhere on earth... -
ImplicationOriginally posted by laurence82:yar who says increasing population supports economic growth?