y soll many anti-pap people here?
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Anti-PAP also can mean Pro-Singapore.Never forget that no person or group has a divine mandate to rule.Fortunes climb and fall, and change is the only constant.
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ke si lar.
if good no one will anti them.
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It really doesn't matter isn't it? The PAP doesn't represent e country as a whole. Party and State shd be seperated frm each other.
The point is that PAP isn't as perfect as they want u to believe. So pple shd have an open mind and read not just govt approved stuff but read our views as well. This is called "giving pple the freedom and rights to choose what they want to read and express". -
Do you think all anti-PAP (pro-Singapore) people hang out here? Just that there are so many around, any forum will be full of them.
As far as I'm concern, this is a sure sign that their polices FAIL! - The people are unhappy -
omg! they should shut this site down! it incites anti-sing gov thoughts and is a threat to national security!
if singaporeans really love singapore, they should oso love pap!
pap is your father, sing is your mother! -
What does that make you? The bastard son?Originally posted by zoik:omg! they should shut this site down! it incites anti-sing gov thoughts and is a threat to national security!
if singaporeans really love singapore, they should oso love pap!
pap is your father, sing is your mother!
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Ok there, AdolfOriginally posted by zoik:omg! they should shut this site down! it incites anti-sing gov thoughts and is a threat to national security!
if singaporeans really love singapore, they should oso love pap!
pap is your father, sing is your mother!
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well, we all pay-and-pay... tts why got singapore today mah... it oso belong to u, juz tt u not in the seat up there oni... heehee
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It is just a matter of perception.Originally posted by zoik:omg! they should shut this site down! it incites anti-sing gov thoughts and is a threat to national security!
if singaporeans really love singapore, they should oso love pap!
pap is your father, sing is your mother!
Remember, the Sing government is majority PAP members. Whatever the government does that attract comments (good or bad) will be attributed to the result of PAP actions.
Hence, whatever comments aired in this site on the government will naturally reflect on the PAP actions.
Do you truly believe that PAP actions are correct 100% of the time? Today say one thing tomorrow say another thing? Even MM Lee said before that Casino if to be built in Singapore will be over his dead body, and now it is up to the new PM to decide? May be MM Lee is true to his word, the casino in Singapore will be built over his dead body?
I pray that MM Lee live to 120 years ++ -
LOLOriginally posted by Bloop...:What does that make you? The bastard son? -
If there are no people to go against the PAP den they will get bolder and think that every thing they do are correct and the people welcomed it..
That's why we need the opposition parties..
They will point out the faults of PAP and therefore pushing the PAP to improve the policies so as to gain the people's support. -
To criticise the PAP polices does not make one anti-PAP or anti-Singapore. As a thinking being, one should be able to think and judge and not blindly led by others. And do you know that to criticise is the highest form of patriotism?
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The fact that this forum is one free-speech channel. Imagine what happens if we are allowed true free-speech in Singapore's media landscape?
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The PAP will get slaughtered. U dun noe how many kopitiam uncles dun like the PAP- they only vote PAP in elections because they hv no choice and have low education.
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y no choice leh? means what?Originally posted by timothytsgsg:The PAP will get slaughtered. U dun noe how many kopitiam uncles dun like the PAP- they only vote PAP in elections because they hv no choice and have low education. -
Yes you are absolutely right, they don't know any better, probably can't even read what's on the ballot, despite the fact that it is printed in the 4 national languages.Originally posted by timothytsgsg:The PAP will get slaughtered. U dun noe how many kopitiam uncles dun like the PAP- they only vote PAP in elections because they hv no choice and have low education.
Everyone complains about the PAP. Only a few dare take action. Your kopitiam uncles vote PAP not because they have no choice, but because they are NATO. -
Add more caffeine in their coffee.Originally posted by Typhoon:Yes you are absolutely right, they don't know any better, probably can't even read what's on the ballot, despite the fact that it is printed in the 4 national languages.
Everyone complains about the PAP. Only a few dare take action. Your kopitiam uncles vote PAP not because they have no choice, but because they are NATO. -
i thought the voting slip showed party logos? cannot read but can see logo mah.. someone muz go to kopitiams to tell those uncle if they tick lightning they will kenna tian da lei pi
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One of the reasons y soll many anti-pap ppl here:
Associated Press
> Singapore Inflation Hits Poor Hard
> Tuesday March 15, 1:40 am ET
> Singapore Inflation Hits Lower Income Residents
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> SINGAPORE (AP) -- Poorer Singaporeans were hardest hit by inflation
> last year, according to figures released by the Statistics Department
> on Tuesday.
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> According to the department, the consumer price index for the poorest
> 20 percent of Singapore rose 2.3 percent in 2004, against an average
> increase of 1.7 percent for all households.
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> For the middle 60 percent of households by income, prices rose 1.5
> percent last year, while the top 20 percent experienced a 0.3 percent
> increase in their cost of living.
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> The government said the main contributors to the increase in the
> Consumer price index for all income groups were more expensive
> cigarettes, cooked food, petrol, newspapers, as well as higher
> tuition fees paid to foreign universities.
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> "The price increases for the middle 60 percent and higher 20 percent
> income groups were partially moderated by lower car prices and
> government levy on foreign maids, as well as cheaper accommodation,"
> the department said.
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This maybe another reason:
Mellanie Hewlitt
Singapore Review
10 Jan 2005
JOB MARKET IMPERFECTIONS? LIVE WITH IT!!!
An analysis of Labor Department data by EPI found that in 2002, 18.1
per cent
of the long-term unemployed had college degrees, up from 14 per cent
in 2000.
Similarly, 20.1 per cent were from the executive, professional and
managerial
category, compared with 14.2 per cent in 2000.
With no viable solutions available from Singapore's highly paid
ministers, the
only respite to the current economic gloom is a quick recovery and
turn around
of the US economy. Otherwise Singapore's next batch of PHD and MBA
scholars
will have employment selling char kway teow or flipping burgers in
Mac-Donald's.
In the 12 July 2003 issue of the Straits Times, Lydia Lim's article
reads; "SLOWLY but surely, reality is sinking in in the psyches of
out-of-work",
"NIGHT SHIFT? NO PROBLEM", "FROM CORPORATE BANKER TO DIAPER CHANGER".
More recently in the 9 Jan 2005 issue of the Straits Times,
"She gave up $10,000 a month bank job" and "He graduated to selling
prata"
(attached below)
http://forums.delphiforums.com/sammyboymod/messages/?msg=63929.1
Reading between the lines, it seems that local papers are endorsing
this dismal
state and telling readers and Singaporeans to accept and live with
this
imperfect situation.
The startling fact is that even with a supposedly rosy economy,
soaring
unemployment rates amongst Singaporeans remain above 4.5%. There is
an over
supply of middle management professionals who are now forced to
compete for
lower tiered jobs with fresh graduates and non-graduates.
It seems that the recovering economy that is much touted by local
government
controled papers have not translated into reduced unemployment rates
for local
Singaporeans. There are already many examples of overqualified
professionals
who are forced into menial enterprise. Many become cab-drivers or
hawkers to
tide over the bad times. Did these professionals spend years in
university just
to be security guards, hawkers or cab drivers?
From an economic perspective, education is a scarce resource and
there is huge
amount of wastage in terms of unutilised skills and talents.
What is even more amusing is the latest attempt by the local papers
and mass
media, to glorify such cases (see 12 Jan 2003 issue of the New
Paper "From
banking man (earning five-digit monthly pay) to Golden Mile nasi
lemak man
Why"). See also the 9 Jan 2005 issue of the Straits Times, "She gave
up $10,000
a month bank job" and "He graduated to selling prata" (attached below)
Does the current system work, or is it making an already bad
unemployment
situation, even worse? Only in Singapore do we have a government that
is so
engrossed with the accumulation of paper qualifications, that they
have long
since forgotten the original objective behind the education system,
and have
instead identified the means as an end to itself.
In their blind pursuit of their version of a utopian society,
educational
elitetism takes center stage above all else, eclipsing the actual
needs of the
labour market itself. The distortions in the demand and supply chain
is most
acute in industries that are dominated by State Owned Entities and
Government
Linked Companies who are also affectionately known by locals
as "Scholar Havens"
This growing number of graduates employed in menial labour is not
something to
be proud of. It is a sign that the system is not putting scarce and
valuable
resource to good use. What is even more appalling is that instead of
acknowledging this defect exists in the system and looking for
solutions to
address the problem, policy makers and local papers are telling
unemployed
professionals and graduates to "live with it".
Unemployed professionals are told that it is "imperative for those
out of work
to follow the lead of their more enlightened counterparts, who dared
to say:
Social status be damned, I need a job." This totally avoids the crux
of the
problem!
The underlying issue here is that due to the inability of the
domestic economy
to generate higher echelon jobs, and a very weak employment market,
graduates
(and Professionals) are often unable to find jobs in positions that
they were
academically trained for.
This is not a failing on the part of the individual, but rather a
failing on
the part of the system, and yes, ultimately the government. And a
necessary
step in addressing this defect is to acknowledge that it exists and
needs to be
fixed.
But then again, in Singapore it is far easier to change a person's
mindset and
expectations, instead of finding an actual solution to a worsening
problem. And
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Uncles and Ah peks know how to curse the PAP, but when the MPs come to them, they shake the MPs' hands as if they see Gods.Originally posted by timothytsgsg:The PAP will get slaughtered. U dun noe how many kopitiam uncles dun like the PAP- they only vote PAP in elections because they hv no choice and have low education.
Alas, when will we see heroes like chee soon chuan? -
heroes like chee soon chuan?!?!?!?!?!Originally posted by 798:Uncles and Ah peks know how to curse the PAP, but when the MPs come to them, they shake the MPs' hands as if they see Gods.
Alas, when will we see heroes like chee soon chuan?