JCs , Polys , ITE
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What's SBSK ?Originally posted by crazy monkey:hi SBSK.
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Too bad for uOriginally posted by DraG0n:But middle-aged grp ain't the majority ma..
You think JCs dun have middle aged grp students meh ?
Well.. I think the transport operators shud charge the student according to their age and not based on what instituition they are in..
Polys like Unis are classified as tiertiary institutes, as compared to JCs, which are pre-university (e.g. glorified extension of secondary school.) Difference in pricing is due to this. Keep in mind that Poly students usually take courses and modules that amount to 3 years, whereas the 'A' Level course in JC is 2 years. This means that the net age in a Poly is greater (you don't even need to inude the 20-30 yr olds.) Thusly, LTA finds it more convenient to price both JC and Poly students seperately rather than charge each individual according to age. Like many other things in Singapore, it isn't fair, but then again neither is life.
Actually thinking about it it's quite an accurate reflection of the differences in education at both JC and Poly. Poly students like Uni students pay adult fees because the way in which they are taught is more 'mature', in the sense that they themselves must act like adults and take responsibilty for their own learning. They have the freedom to decide whether or not to attend lectures, etc. JC students being more coddled are charged student's fees since they are more or less still in a highly regimented school environment, with all the horrors of such (e.g. uniforms)
Poly students who complain that JC students get 'special treatment' shouldn't have gone to Poly at all. If you choose Poly because you want more freedom in learning, you should know well enough what advantages or disadvantages there are between the two. Poly students should accept the fact that they will have less chance of entering Uni compared to a JC student unless they are prepared to work damn hard to enter the top 5% in their respective Polys. JC students do not always get advantages. An 'A' Level holder is less likely to be employed than a Diploma holder, everyone knows that. The difference is that the Singapore education system is designed to give the 'A' Level holder a better chance of entering university, whereas the Poly grad is given more hands-on experience in order to survive entering the work force at an earlier age.
Whining about this fact of life is frankly rather pointless, and gives a bad impression of Poly students. My brother was from SP, and he doesn't bemoan the fact that he got a worse deal. (In fact, according to him, Poly students enjoy many more benefits- bigger campus, better facilities, better food, and more chio bus.) It may be too late for this years current batch of JAE inductees, but my advice to the next gen is 'san si er xing'- look before you leap. -
I'm from a JC. Graduated 3 years ago.
I wish to dispel the belief that JC students only mug and memorise facts and don't understand what they are studying, unliky poly students who get more hands-on. Granted poly students get more exposure to the "doing things" instead of "knowing things". But it doesn't mean that we JC students can't apply when it comes to our part.
There is some truth that there are some students (quite a number actually) in JC who don't know what they are learning. These are the people who just study for the sake of studying. Since young they have only been told that they need to study and yet they never comprehend in their own hearts why they should. Just because mom says i must get results, i'll get the results.
The seperation of people comes at O levels. If something is all about memorising things then its the O levels. Of course you can get into a JC by memorising your O level work, and many do.
Making a sweeping statement of JC students being dead-studiers is unfair to the scholarstic lot who are genuinely into studying and want to have a strong foundation before they step into university.
In conclusion, I wish to add that the only distinction between JC students and poly students, in my eyes, are their O level results. And to me, results don't mean a thing either. Of course one can say there is a marked difference between 6 points and 30 points. But for the bulk of students, the L1R5 way of accessing a student is not a very good guage of his capability. At most it's only an indicator of his scholastic ability -
http://www.petitiononline.com/polybus/petition.html
well it has 5000+ signatures, somehow i just that that is still not going to work ....
about jc and poly in producing different breeds of students, no matter what type of students to think that their counter-parts are less capable, they to me don't deserve to be in their jc/poly. -
The thing is that are JC students streetwise and independent or not? I have seen so many JC students that look like geeks and nerds and really I wonder.Originally posted by schrecklichkeit:I'm from a JC. Graduated 3 years ago.
I wish to dispel the belief that JC students only mug and memorise facts and don't understand what they are studying, unliky poly students who get more hands-on. Granted poly students get more exposure to the "doing things" instead of "knowing things". But it doesn't mean that we JC students can't apply when it comes to our part.
There is some truth that there are some students (quite a number actually) in JC who don't know what they are learning. These are the people who just study for the sake of studying. Since young they have only been told that they need to study and yet they never comprehend in their own hearts why they should. Just because mom says i must get results, i'll get the results.
The seperation of people comes at O levels. If something is all about memorising things then its the O levels. Of course you can get into a JC by memorising your O level work, and many do.
Making a sweeping statement of JC students being dead-studiers is unfair to the scholarstic lot who are genuinely into studying and want to have a strong foundation before they step into university.
In conclusion, I wish to add that the only distinction between JC students and poly students, in my eyes, are their O level results. And to me, results don't mean a thing either. Of course one can say there is a marked difference between 6 points and 30 points. But for the bulk of students, the L1R5 way of accessing a student is not a very good guage of his capability. At most it's only an indicator of his scholastic ability
If they are told by their company to work overseas in a rough environment, I doubt they will survive. Even China is a tough working environment to work in.. -
I've seen a fair share of Poly students that look that way too... but does that mean that they are not streetwise?Originally posted by timothytsgsg:The thing is that are JC students streetwise and independent or not? I have seen so many JC students that look like geeks and nerds and really I wonder.
If they are told by their company to work overseas in a rough environment, I doubt they will survive. Even China is a tough working environment to work in..
Don't stereotype. -
u hav any idea how many students there are in the polys and ite?Originally posted by DraG0n:I wonder why are there more JCs than Polys and ITE altogether , when there are more people eligible to go Polys and ITE.
There are 16 JCs in singapore and 5 Polys and 5 ITE. The number of Polys and ITE added together is lesser than the number of JCs man !!
hmm the last time i heard... TP's Electronic took in 600+ students.. and tat was for 1 course only.. think.. so many courses in 1 poly..
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the topic starter is putting e label 'loser' on his own institution.. lamenting e unfairness and wateva crap. stop complaining and life will goes on.
if u guys ever notice.. this stupid jc/poly/ite crap has been going on for a long time. and it is ALWAYS a particular grp of ppl who laments abt e unfairness. and it is ALWAYS e same argument.. with jc ppl are nerds, this kinda crapz. i juz graduated from a jc. and what i can say is jc ppl do not comment on poly ppl as much, for we do not really understand what u went tru. so if u are not in a jc or wat, u shldn't b commenting simply based on ur stereotyping. true.. jc do produce nerds. but it produce streetwise ppl too... in fact, it produce smokers, selfish ppl, cheongster.. diff type of ppl u can get in a poly. so stop being myopic... get real. -
you can't assert that... it really depends on the individual...Originally posted by timothytsgsg:The thing is that are JC students streetwise and independent or not? I have seen so many JC students that look like geeks and nerds and really I wonder.
If they are told by their company to work overseas in a rough environment, I doubt they will survive. Even China is a tough working environment to work in..
besides its not fair if you judge solely based on looks...
you cannot say that geeks and nerds won't survive or are unlikely to survive... for all you noe... the so called "streetsmart" ones are the ones who cannot make it... -
let the jc students have their concessions
why complain?
Polytechnic students should pay adult fees
after all a diploma is one level higher than an A level plus u get the skills to go out and work part time in something similar to your fields. A levels only provide jc students with academic skills, unlike polytechnic students who are equiped with practical and academic skills.
If you are in polytechnic and whining about costs - go find a part time job. I worked while I was studying in poly. What's the problem then?� -
well it may seem true that most jc pple are like naive bookworms but there's always a small minority who are very streetsmart, similarly, poly people may come across as very streetsmart but there are a large number of idiots who study at polys eg. ah bengs who are total no brainers.
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Poly hours are flexible whereas JC hours are fixed (just like sec sch). So why do you still want to complain about the unfairness of transport fares? lolx, it's not as though you have to pay big bucks to travel back and forth (unless you don't live near your poly, then too bad)
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large number ? Small minority? Where did you get your statistical inference from?Originally posted by vito_corleone:well it may seem true that most jc pple are like naive bookworms but there's always a small minority who are very streetsmart, similarly, poly people may come across as very streetsmart but there are a large number of idiots who study at polys eg. ah bengs who are total no brainers.
Everyone have their own form of talent at something. Well , ah bengs can be brainy too , regardless whether they are from JC or poly. The only difference between the junior college system and the polytechnic system is their form of education - jc - academic studies in a generalised way , hence no special skills- poly practical and academic studies in one specialised skill .
Stereotyping never does anyone any good. Haven't u heard of "never judge a book by its cover". My cousin was an ah beng in poly who got straight distinctions , he is now an ah beng getting straight distinctions in university . I was abit ah lianish in poly but I got a scholarship for my bachelor ( from the uni) and now a postgraduate degree .
So what's so great about both of these institutions? nothing great . Quit arguing on who is better and who is not. It all depends on an individual whether he/she knows where they want to go and how to achieve their goals. -
JC = MOE = GOV = PAP = Smart ppl = take care of smart pplOriginally posted by DraG0n:I wonder why are there more JCs than Polys and ITE altogether , when there are more people eligible to go Polys and ITE.
There are 16 JCs in singapore and 5 Polys and 5 ITE. The number of Polys and ITE added together is lesser than the number of JCs man !!
And why are the students in JC pay child price when they take public transport but the students in Poly pay adult price ?
The students enter the JC and Poly at the same age but the transport fee they pay is different. This is not logical at all !!