Most Incompetent Ministries/Stat Boards in Singapore
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Still up to you to think..Originally posted by lwflee:But then you are merely describing the final result. This could be attributed to any number of reasons:
eg.
- NEL may have gotten a contract on more preferable terms than SMRT did
- The favourable terms in SMRT's contract may have run out
- etc.
In any case, you have still not shown that there is any real competition between the 2 operators. In fact, even though NEL is able to provide trains at a higher frequency than SMRT, we see that SMRT has not been compelled to provide more trains.
The logical conclusion then is that the 2 operators are not competing with each other.
There are no condition, they are free to operate the train frequency as by demand...
Well, it is compeition by svs provided... -
You are entitled to your opinion but i do not think it is logical to say that NEL's greater frequency is motovted by any real competition concerns.
Like i said, there can be many reasons for NEL providing a better service, and competition with SMRT is a very unlikely reason.
I listed 2 possible reasons in my last reply. I table another suggestion now: SBS is simply not as efficient a company as SMRT. By providing more trains than are needed, it is not maximizing its profits.
Why i think that their better servie stds cannot logically be attributable to competition with SMRT:
They are pandering their services in 2 completely different markets. In order to decide if the operators are operating in the same relevant market, we ask the hypothetical qn of: Will a price increase of 5-10% by one operator cause significant nos. of commuters to switch operators? The answer must be no.
Like i said before, the points of origins and destinations of consumers are for the most part constant; Commuters have to go to work, and they have to go home. I doubt we will have large nos of commuters that are willing to sell their homes simple coz eg. NEL increase its prices by 5-10%. -
Well... They are willing to put up losses... It is not abt the compeition you are talking abt...Originally posted by lwflee:You are entitled to your opinion but i do not think it is logical to say that NEL's greater frequency is motovted by any real competition concerns.
Like i said, there can be many reasons for NEL providing a better service, and competition with SMRT is a very unlikely reason.
I listed 2 possible reasons in my last reply. I table another suggestion now: SBS is simply not as efficient a company as SMRT. By providing more trains than are needed, it is not maximizing its profits.
Why i think that their better servie stds cannot logically be attributable to competition with SMRT:
They are pandering their services in 2 completely different markets. In order to decide if the operators are operating in the same relevant market, we ask the hypothetical qn of: Will a price increase of 5-10% by one operator cause significant nos. of commuters to switch operators? The answer must be no.
Like i said before, the points of origins and destinations of consumers are for the most part constant; Commuters have to go to work, and they have to go home. I doubt we will have large nos of commuters that are willing to sell their homes simple coz eg. NEL increase its prices by 5-10%.
Look at HK, MTR Corp and KCRC -
I am still waiting for a reply by LTA to my query on triple vehicle taxation : (1) excise duty (prohitive and highest in the world) + (2) COE (minister in announcing introduction of this added tax promise ablition of excise) = (3) ERP (usage which at the end overlaps with ownership and excise in the present trend of adding more and more ERP).
The public replies so far have emphasised on need for all 3 elements of taxing but there has been no rationale in regard to overlapping of one element with another. Probably LTA will not reply just like HDB to substantial and factual feedbacks.
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Robert, do you read TNP? I remember TNP carried a report about a car dealer delivering the wrong type of vehicle to a customer. The sticking point is that LTA was too inflexible to allow her to re-register another vehicle using the same rego without scrapping her brand-new car.Originally posted by robertteh:I am still waiting for a reply by LTA to my query on triple vehicle taxation : (1) excise duty (prohitive and highest in the world) + (2) COE (minister in announcing introduction of this added tax promise ablition of excise) = (3) ERP (usage which at the end overlaps with ownership and excise in the present trend of adding more and more ERP).
The public replies so far have emphasised on need for all 3 elements of taxing but there has been no rationale in regard to overlapping of one element with another. Probably LTA will not reply just like HDB to substantial and factual feedbacks.
But I still don't like MoE. The kids are way too stressed by school stuff. -
my choices for top contenders for the position of most incompetent ministries:
1)Ministry of Education
2)Ministry of Manpower
3)Economic Development Board
4)Singapore Tourism Board
5)Ministry of Information and the Arts -
I gave up on local newspapers for quite sometime and prefer news from the websites like CNN, and others on the web. At least I get some news fast from these sources.Originally posted by iveco:Robert, do you read TNP? I remember TNP carried a report about a car dealer delivering the wrong type of vehicle to a customer. The sticking point is that LTA was too inflexible to allow her to re-register another vehicle using the same rego without scrapping her brand-new car.
But I still don't like MoE. The kids are way too stressed by school stuff.
The problem in that case is like what Dr. Tony Tan has said: lack of coordination and working as an entity. There was a breach of registration regulation in one department but it is the job of customer service or PR department to find a way to solve a problem like this - justified correction of a mistake in a more equitable manner.
Why? Because LTA does not have proper procedures or there was a lapse in solving problems all because of blind following of procedures. -
YEAH! I agree!!Originally posted by vito_corleone:my choices for top contenders for the position of most incompetent ministries:
1)Ministry of Education
2)Ministry of Manpower
3)Economic Development Board
4)Singapore Tourism Board
5)Ministry of Information and the Arts
MOE WINS HANDSDOWN!!!
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i think it will be alot harder to choose the top for being competent...Originally posted by vito_corleone:my choices for top contenders for the position of most incompetent ministries:
1)Ministry of Education
2)Ministry of Manpower
3)Economic Development Board
4)Singapore Tourism Board
5)Ministry of Information and the Arts
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Most Incompetent Ministries/Stat Boards in Singapore
just wondering, is there any board that anyone here think is competent? -
yeah.. the PMO for protecting the bureaucracyOriginally posted by oldbreadstinks:just wondering, is there any board that anyone here think is competent?
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bureaucracy ? lol what bureaucracy ?Originally posted by the Bear:yeah.. the PMO for protecting the bureaucracy i thought its all about one family?? -
ahh.. you don't know?
the office protects the bureaucracy
which is then free to protect that one familyOriginally posted by oldbreadstinks:bureaucracy ? lol what bureaucracy ? i thought its all about one family?? -
So what competition?Originally posted by sbst275:Well... They are willing to put up losses... It is not abt the compeition you are talking abt...
Look at HK, MTR Corp and KCRC
If you are talking about the NEL and SMRT competing to provide a better service, then such competition can also take place if SMRT got the contract. SMRT could always set up an NEL dept. In that way, there could be cost savings to be gained by consolidatiing some parts of the operation. This cost-savings would benefit commuters would it not?
However you cut it, barring SMRT from even applying to run the NEL is pretty darn incompetent. Esp when there does not really seem to be any logical reason for that decision. -
And tey claimed "world-class transportation"...just a bunch of freaking scholars..with no experience...commo...other countries hve the MRT, MTR..etc but not in the brash manner, these "starry-eyes official" pat themselves on their back 4 a "job" well done.....
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yea..ministry of internal affairs... they do an excellent job in removing all "threats" to the ruling party.Originally posted by the Bear:yeah.. the PMO for protecting the bureaucracy -
gotta say, you could be wrong
Originally posted by vito_corleone:yea..ministry of internal affairs... they do an excellent job in removing all "threats" to the ruling party. -
Nope... You dun seem to understand, MTR Corp and KCRC are 2 TOTALLY different train operators in HK... MTR has good trains, while KCRC has extensive feeder bus linking networkOriginally posted by lwflee:So what competition?
If you are talking about the NEL and SMRT competing to provide a better service, then such competition can also take place if SMRT got the contract. SMRT could always set up an NEL dept. In that way, there could be cost savings to be gained by consolidatiing some parts of the operation. This cost-savings would benefit commuters would it not?
However you cut it, barring SMRT from even applying to run the NEL is pretty darn incompetent. Esp when there does not really seem to be any logical reason for that decision. -
So someone agrees with me on Point #1. It is because of them that Singapore becomes a hellhole for kids.Originally posted by vito_corleone:my choices for top contenders for the position of most incompetent ministries:
1)Ministry of Education
2)Ministry of Manpower
3)Economic Development Board
4)Singapore Tourism Board
5)Ministry of Information and the Arts
What is KCRC, by the way?Originally posted by sbst275:Nope... You dun seem to understand, MTR Corp and KCRC are 2 TOTALLY different train operators in HK... MTR has good trains, while KCRC has extensive feeder bus linking network -
How is the user able to choose between the two rail operators, when they are serving two different routes?Originally posted by sbst275:Another rail operator is to make sure the older one provides good frequency... NEL is 5-7 mins, SMRT is still at 7-10 mins
You cannot call competition "competition" if there is no alternative for customers to go to. -
I know they compete in service but what's the point when consumers have no alternative to turn to?Originally posted by sbst275:Pearlie, they complete in service standard though they dun run the same line
As for LRT, it is a supplement... -
Kwoloon Canton Railway Corp...Originally posted by iveco:What is KCRC, by the way? -
Compeition does not just mean 'direct' compeition...Originally posted by pkchukiss:How is the user able to choose between the two rail operators, when they are serving two different routes?
You cannot call competition "competition" if there is no alternative for customers to go to.
Just like you see the taxis, they provide all if svs... Comfort goes with reward point, SMART has TV Mobile installed... -
talking abt busstop...
remember the louzy design? the one with grey roof and only 2 long grey seats for 6 person? one of the seats is too high, my leg cant even touch the floor.another one is too low. -
Originally posted by Rusesabagina:talking abt busstop...
remember the louzy design? the one with grey roof and only 2 long grey seats for 6 person? one of the seats is too high, my leg cant even touch the floor.another one is too low. thats means you're either too short for an adult or too tall for a kid