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Hhmm... no one ask the question of y do we need to pay parking since we are already paying for such a high road tax...
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no one asked the government where they get the money to build roads and maintain traffic lights either.Originally posted by diggo:Hhmm... no one ask the question of y do we need to pay parking since we are already paying for such a high road tax...
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No don't! It's just as useless and time wasting as appealing to the URA.Originally posted by stupidissmart:From another viewpoint, it appears there is nothing tat can prove u really attempted to pay the fines. A person who heck care and do not want to pay the fines will have as much evidences as u have now. The best course of actions, as some person suggested, is for u is to find your MP. Frankly they work wonders on such gov issues and hope tat u only need to pay $6 and get a warning. Next time ask someone who knows how to use the SAM machine to guide u
A friend appealed to the MP when he felt strongly that being fined for travelling at 70km along Jalan Boon Lay, a 5-lane thoroughway, wasn't justified. In the end he was still fined $800.00! Just 2 days ago the Traffic Police revised the speed limit there to 70km, so what did that show?
A former Public Prosecutor also revealed that asking MP for help is of no use at all and advised that we don't waste our time and effort on that. -
You are right, our MP don't care about such problem.. I had written before, I lor sor abit for the benefit of those who didn't read before... I got problem with Sin Power about bill... They didn't deduct from GIRO due to their upgrade to new system. Understand I was not the only one suffer. SP insist I pay one shot thousand over dollar bills. Cannot afford so I appeal to MP who happen to be a minister. He say SP already privatise, Government cannot intervene everytime there is problem. If I don't pay up, SP got right to cut power supply. MP can only write whether SP give face or not, they can't do anything. SO I didn't pay, they cut the electric supply and reduce water supply too..... That is what our MP is doing for us .... Vote wisely they say... my foot ...I say ...Originally posted by pearlie27:No don't! It's just as useless and time wasting as appealing to the URA.
A friend appealed to the MP when he felt strongly that being fined for travelling at 70km along Jalan Boon Lay, a 5-lane thoroughway, wasn't justified. In the end he was still fined $800.00! Just 2 days ago the Traffic Police revised the speed limit there to 70km, so what did that show?
A former Public Prosecutor also revealed that asking MP for help is of no use at all and advised that we don't waste our time and effort on that. -
anyway, i doubt that anything could be done.
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IMO ....Depend on whos your MP is i think , certain MP are very vocal , I know of a lady MP she would called up the heads of the organizations to scold them upside down for this kind of situation... not very nice to mention her name here.. . it very much depend on your MP whether they want to take action... whether its the TP , URA , SP services they are still under the government control ,so they are accountable to PAP
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you missed the point. you mean to say that it is alright to pay $106 for an original $6 fine? who are the people up there in our govt? Ah Long's henchmen?? We may as well let ahlong san form our government!!Originally posted by Nelstar:Complacent is your mistake. Don't blame anyone else. I can't sympathize with you because you're complacent. -
That MP is really jiat liao bee!Originally posted by ORIGAMIST:You are right, our MP don't care about such problem.. I had written before, I lor sor abit for the benefit of those who didn't read before... I got problem with Sin Power about bill... They didn't deduct from GIRO due to their upgrade to new system. Understand I was not the only one suffer. SP insist I pay one shot thousand over dollar bills. Cannot afford so I appeal to MP who happen to be a minister. He say SP already privatise, Government cannot intervene everytime there is problem. If I don't pay up, SP got right to cut power supply. MP can only write whether SP give face or not, they can't do anything. SO I didn't pay, they cut the electric supply and reduce water supply too..... That is what our MP is doing for us .... Vote wisely they say... my foot ...I say ...
U should have given him a piece of your mind! U should remind him that we elected him into public office to serve us and not the other way round. U should also tell him that we shouldn't be made to suffer any hardship cos of somebody else's fault. U have to speak up if not they will not respect u. -
you missed the big point, if you're complacent u have only yourself to blame.Originally posted by commonsense:you missed the point. you mean to say that it is alright to pay $106 for an original $6 fine? who are the people up there in our govt? Ah Long's henchmen?? We may as well let ahlong san form our government!! -
i didn't miss the point. you missed my point.Originally posted by Nelstar:you missed the big point, if you're complacent u have only yourself to blame.
i'm not disagreeing that he was complacent. but is the price to pay for complacency reasonable? he did not commit any crime here. he simply did not pay a fine, not that he didn't want to (i'll give him the benefit of the doubt!). does that calls for a $6 bill to balloon to $106?
from $6 to $20 to $106.. reasonable? how is it different from loansharks?
why can't it be like pub bills or fone bills that charge for every reminder that is sent at 50 cents a piece? if they can, i don't see why our govt sector can't. -
If the law is in place but someone does not respect it and pays only $6 for complacency, then he should pay it.Originally posted by commonsense:i didn't miss the point. you missed my point.
i'm not disagreeing that he was complacent. but is the price to pay for complacency reasonable? he did not commit any crime here. he simply did not pay a fine, not that he didn't want to (i'll give him the benefit of the doubt!). does that calls for a $6 bill to balloon to $106?
from $6 to $20 to $106.. reasonable? how is it different from loansharks?
why can't it be like pub bills or fone bills that charge for every reminder that is sent at 50 cents a piece? if they can, i don't see why our govt sector can't.
If he is complacent enough not to check that he had made payments before the due the date, then it is justified that he has no respect for the law and thus subjected to a $20 for disrespect.
And still, failure to comply was thus amplified again by making it rise to $106 in total.
If everyone pays just 50 cents extra for paying late each time, it would not justify the immediate attention to a deviant act of disrespect after 3 consecutive charges when the accused needs to pay like.. er what? $6 + 50 cents x 3, a paltry sum of er $7.50?
Then the court will be a mockery and so by the time the case is brought into attention, it takes like 50 cents every 2 week, before it reaches at least a hundred bucks by hmmmm 400 weeks, which means he can sit on it for 8+ years before the Government reins him in?
What funny law is that?
And moreover electricity bills and handphone bills are different, they can suspend your service, thus making it inaccessible for you to do anything but pay the full sum owed.
If that's the case, then wheel clamps will be justifiable, and cars parking illegally will be wheel clamped and each time the removal will cause $20.
You can choose to lose your car or wheels. And since attendants do not have the time to stay overnight to attend to idiots, to unclamp your car, you need to find the attendant between the 9-6pm period on weekdays. If it drags over a public holiday and weekends, you can have your car clamped for many, many days then.
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u still miss see my point.
i asked,
from $6 to $20 to $106.. reasonable? how is it different from loansharks?
why can't it be like pub bills or fone bills that charge for every reminder that is sent at 50 cents a piece? if they can, i don't see why our govt sector can't.
All i'm asking is, is the penalty justified? so yes, obviously you considered it justified. then good for you, you have a very profiteering government.
i'm not even talking about LAW here since i agreed that he was complacent. he made a mistake, he has to pay for it no doubt. but if what he said was true, that he appealed and so on, is it solely his fault? no. our govt agencies are not infallible. they could make mistakes too. you are deluding yourself if you think our agencies are efficient.
the penalty fine of late conservancy charges payment is 1%. tell them to justify their dumb law. -
Originally posted by commonsense:
Not to add salt to injury.. The point is, I made a mistake in payment. My second biggest mistake is to appeal. In the past, during the appeal, the extend the payment period. This time round something is wrong.. I was successful last time and they actually waive based on merit. I am not hoping for full wavier but to pay original sum.. I was wrong then.. Had I not called them, the police will be on my door now... I don't want that and I cannot afford it too.. So I told them forget the whole incident, just tell me how much to pay.. They say got reply for my last letter and is waiting for me to attend court, then give to me... This is ridiculous. They took like two weeks to reply and they cannot trust the Singpost to deliver. Wait for me in person to give.. I thought it was stupid but I didn't want to create any scene... just go down, collect letter and pay at the same time. The main issue here is how the Government react to the case... They don't reply but keep increasing the price. You are right, come to think of it, they are Ah Long ( legal one too )..
u still miss see my point.
i asked,
[b]from $6 to $20 to $106.. reasonable? how is it different from loansharks?
why can't it be like pub bills or fone bills that charge for every reminder that is sent at 50 cents a piece? if they can, i don't see why our govt sector can't.
All i'm asking is, is the penalty justified? so yes, obviously you considered it justified. then good for you, you have a very profiteering government.
i'm not even talking about LAW here since i agreed that he was complacent. he made a mistake, he has to pay for it no doubt. but if what he said was true, that he appealed and so on, is it solely his fault? no. our govt agencies are not infallible. they could make mistakes too. you are deluding yourself if you think our agencies are efficient.
the penalty fine of late conservancy charges payment is 1%. tell them to justify their dumb law.
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Originally posted by commonsense:
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u still miss see my point.
i asked,
[b]from $6 to $20 to $106.. reasonable? how is it different from loansharks?
why can't it be like pub bills or fone bills that charge for every reminder that is sent at 50 cents a piece? if they can, i don't see why our govt sector can't.
All i'm asking is, is the penalty justified? so yes, obviously you considered it justified. then good for you, you have a very profiteering government.
i'm not even talking about LAW here since i agreed that he was complacent. he made a mistake, he has to pay for it no doubt. but if what he said was true, that he appealed and so on, is it solely his fault? no. our govt agencies are not infallible. they could make mistakes too. you are deluding yourself if you think our agencies are efficient.
the penalty fine of late conservancy charges payment is 1%. tell them to justify their dumb law.
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You don't justify complacency. You are complacency, then blame yourself.
B When you appeal for your results in your 'O' levels result. Due to the fact you did not write your name on your answer sheet, they were unable to find the missing papers, and you will still get ungraded. Thus, this example shows that, if you did not make payments, nor have any evidence you tried to pay, the judge will still fine you.
C You can upkeep a car, you shouldn't be crying over $106. You can scream about how the Government leeched your blood, but the complacency is YOUR MISTAKE.
Key point Complacency is your own fault, want to blame, start blaming yourself for being complacent, careless and forgetful. If you were not complacent right from the start, you would not have to face such a consequence. The prices are justified because a LAW is a LAW. If you believe in GOD, remember this: GOD HELP THOSE WHO HELP THEMSELVES, and by being complacent, you're not helping. If you're unhappy, go petition to the government for another alternative solution to fines.
Then we can welcome the wheel clamp revolution, and I bet it would be far worse than you believed. Since clamping a wheel takes time and effort, it would be $20 bucks to remove them now. And you can't drive off immediately if you needed the car, you have to wait for them to remove.
Stop whining, the nocommonsense and the paperfolder.
Price is justified, action taken justified. Appeals are meant FOR people who have a more justifiable case, and educated nuts should not ASSUME they can appeal just because they can write a load of cock and bull story to save their arse. The truth is, you made a mistake, you pay the price. The price is not even a fraction of the amount you pay to upkeep your car per month.
Compassion is meant for those deserving, those that tried their best, did everything right but things just goes wrong for them somehow.
You only deserve more marks if you used the correct equation but did a small calculation error.
You would never deserve marks for using the wrong equation nor giving the wrong answer.
Apparently, I know I'm tedious, but I hate it when people whine against everything like the whole world owes them a living.
Others had paid the full price before for their mistakes, you shouldnt be 'one-off' case where they close their eyes just because you appealed.
The main thing is there is no justification for complacency.
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you may as well say compassion is for the 'elites' as magnified by so many recent court cases in the papers... anyway.. people who think they are atas sikei will never get the point of peasants... i rest my case.
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whatever you say dood! long live the govt!! -
I'll never be compassionate with a lazy bastard.Originally posted by commonsense:you may as well say compassion is for the 'elites' as magnified by so many recent court cases in the papers... anyway.. people who think they are atas sikei will never get the point of peasants... i rest my case.
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whatever you say dood! long live the govt!!
He's lazy, he shall rot and die. He's forgetful, lazy, complacent, he should suffer.
I'm not rich, in fact I'm a peasant, but I hate whiners.
You want to be free from these laws. Please migrate, or actively vote for something/someone that you think will make singapore better or best, go ahead and try to set the footsteps for the country. Dont take a back seat, enjoy the existing system and whine about it. -
Throughout this whole episode, where did I step on your toes ?? I admitted I make mistake, all I say now is the Government should also be responsible enough to reply even if waiver is not given.. Is this too much to ask. If you agree to their attitude, it is tentamount to say that, all civil servants can just ignore all appeal letters since there is a law in place to punish people who don't pay. You write they don't reply or answer to your queries, you just pay up... no question ask and no appeal allow. That being the case, the people of Singapore must be make known than there won't be anyone saying the civil service is f@## up .... On the other hand, it will be known as an efficient agency that up-hold the law ....Originally posted by Nelstar:A You don't justify complacency. You are complacency, then blame yourself.
B When you appeal for your results in your 'O' levels result. Due to the fact you did not write your name on your answer sheet, they were unable to find the missing papers, and you will still get ungraded. Thus, this example shows that, if you did not make payments, nor have any evidence you tried to pay, the judge will still fine you.
C You can upkeep a car, you shouldn't be crying over $106. You can scream about how the Government leeched your blood, but the complacency is YOUR MISTAKE.
Key point Complacency is your own fault, want to blame, start blaming yourself for being complacent, careless and forgetful. If you were not complacent right from the start, you would not have to face such a consequence. The prices are justified because a LAW is a LAW. If you believe in GOD, remember this: GOD HELP THOSE WHO HELP THEMSELVES, and by being complacent, you're not helping. If you're unhappy, go petition to the government for another alternative solution to fines.
Then we can welcome the wheel clamp revolution, and I bet it would be far worse than you believed. Since clamping a wheel takes time and effort, it would be $20 bucks to remove them now. And you can't drive off immediately if you needed the car, you have to wait for them to remove.
Stop whining, the nocommonsense and the paperfolder.
Price is justified, action taken justified. Appeals are meant FOR people who have a more justifiable case, and educated nuts should not ASSUME they can appeal just because they can write a load of cock and bull story to save their arse. The truth is, you made a mistake, you pay the price. The price is not even a fraction of the amount you pay to upkeep your car per month.
Compassion is meant for those deserving, those that tried their best, did everything right but things just goes wrong for them somehow.
You only deserve more marks if you used the correct equation but did a small calculation error.
You would never deserve marks for using the wrong equation nor giving the wrong answer.
Apparently, I know I'm tedious, but I hate it when people whine against everything like the whole world owes them a living.
Others had paid the full price before for their mistakes, you shouldnt be 'one-off' case where they close their eyes just because you appealed.
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What recent court case? Can you elaborate, preferably in another thread? Thx.Originally posted by commonsense:you may as well say compassion is for the 'elites' as magnified by so many recent court cases in the papers... anyway.. people who think they are atas sikei will never get the point of peasants... i rest my case.
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whatever you say dood! long live the govt!! -
The Gahment Complacent ??