I think those 2 Indonesian maids who kill their employer....
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Should sentence to death!!!Recently,2 maids kill their woman employer intentionally at home to rob her money,i think those 2 maids shold sentence to death.Otherwise,more of these type of murder case will appear in future.Post ur view here.
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Capital punishment should be abolished altogether. After all, Stockholm has done it, yet their crime rates have remained comparable to ours & not KL's.
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one is underage will defintely not be hanged.
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If it is underaged,then its ok if she escape from death sentence,but the other one who is not underaged should punish severely.Recently,there are 2 cases whereby those maids murder their employers escape from death penalty.The reason being that their employers got scold them bad words or humilate them,so they are free from death sentence,this is ridiculous!!!Now,this is the 3rd case which happen in the same senario,this is unforgivable!
If we continue to be lenient to those murderer maids just becoz their employers have scold them or humiliate them before,then we would encourage more of such murderous cases appear. -
And moreover,the way those 2 maids murder their employer are damn cruel,they should be severly punished!!!
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sporeans are just 2nd class citizens here .. what do you expect? if now it is the employer who murdered the maid.. needlessly to say.. confirm death sentence!
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death sentence? their lady boss who probably is a maid abuser and was executed by her maids. what makes the maids so special that they can escape execution?
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Dun monkey see monkey do lah. What kind of argument is that? So in Amsterdam, some level of substance abuse is legal. That means Sg also we can sell ganga?Originally posted by iveco:Capital punishment should be abolished altogether. After all, Stockholm has done it, yet their crime rates have remained comparable to ours & not KL's. -
Death sentence is for Nazis to believe in. We are supposed to be democrats.
Sometimes, those employers who are really bad deserve some kind of payback, but not being brutally beaten to death by the maids. In Malaysia, there are also similar tales about Indonesian domestics. My cousin's infant son was abused by the family maid because of some dispute with my aunt.
I've been to Amsterdam and Malmö in the past. All I can say is that the Swedish city is much safer than the Dutch capital. -
Ya lor,it seem like Singapoeans are second citizens in here.Remember that time got an Australian guy who murder a taxi-driver in Singapore,he also escape to Australia what.And our government is "powerless" to do anything to it.It seems like foreigners can come here n grab our jobs,earn our money n if not happy,they can even kill our citizens n escape from our justice of our laws due to the "welcome foreigners policy",F**K the PAP!They are a bunch of gay!!!Originally posted by commonsense:sporeans are just 2nd class citizens here .. what do you expect? if now it is the employer who murdered the maid.. needlessly to say.. confirm death sentence! -
Aiya both dun employ maid can already some indonesian maid can do anything for money very dangerous can even kill u when u are sleeping thats why all my family and relatives dun really have maids at home
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Some democracy countries or state also practice death penalty,not only Nazi.Originally posted by iveco:Death sentence is for Nazis to believe in. We are supposed to be democrats.
Sometimes, those employers who are really bad deserve some kind of payback, but not being brutally beaten to death by the maids. In Malaysia, there are also similar tales about Indonesian domestics. My cousin's infant son was abused by the family maid because of some dispute with my aunt.
I've been to Amsterdam and Malmö in the past. All I can say is that the Swedish city is much safer than the Dutch capital. -
yes, we seem to have a kangaroo court in sg. sg law is for sporeans ONLY, not for foreigners. of cos the only thing they can brag about is giving michael fay those strokes for vandalism. nothing else beside thatOriginally posted by drawer:Ya lor,it seem like Singapoeans are second citizens in here.Remember that time got an Australian guy who murder a taxi-driver in Singapore,he also escape to Australia what.And our government is "powerless" to do anything to it.It seems like foreigners can come here n grab our jobs,earn our money n if not happy,they can even kill our citizens n escape from our justice of our laws due to the "welcome foreigners policy",F**K the PAP!They are a bunch of gay!!!
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The sad fact is, the Singapore Government is paranoid of offending other countries, most of all Indonesia which has always practiced an 'abang-adik' (big brother, small brother) relationship with Singapore.. unfortunately, this has extended to such extremes whereby the law is not equally applied to Singaporeans and Indonesians who commit the same offence in Singapore.
In the Bukit Merah fire which was featured in last week's episode of crimewatch, the maid very obviously murdered her employer before setting fire to the house to destroy the evidence. In the end, she was not sentenced to death but to life imprisonment. I was like WTF?!?! As Singaporeans, one of our citizens got murdered and yet we'll have to pay for this scumbug's food and lodgings for the rest of her natural life. Since she's still so young, she's likely to live for at least half a century more. Just imagine the tens of thousands we'll be spending on her in the next 50 years.
I think this political interference in the criminal justice system is really making a big joke out of our judiciary. All the crap about everyone being equal in the eyes of the law remains as it is... crap. Nothing more than that.
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To abuse a maid ( of any nationality ) is wrong. And for a maid ( of any nationality ) to assault, maim, or kill the employer, is just as wrong.
The government in view of so many Maid Abuse cases here, should implement a new policy, whereby employers who have been reported by their maids for abuse over a certain number of times, will be barred from hiring any maids.
I don't blame maids who lost their minds and took to drastic acts, because maid employers in Singapore are getting out of hand.
To all maid employers out there: Treat a human being, like a human being. Even dogs know how to disown their masters when they've been kicked too many times. -
Mike McCrea was a Brit. His hometown is in Nottingham.Originally posted by drawer:Ya lor,it seem like Singapoeans are second citizens in here.Remember that time got an Australian guy who murder a taxi-driver in Singapore,he also escape to Australia what.And our government is "powerless" to do anything to it.It seems like foreigners can come here n grab our jobs,earn our money n if not happy,they can even kill our citizens n escape from our justice of our laws due to the "welcome foreigners policy",F**K the PAP!They are a bunch of gay!!! -
We had a long spat with Victoria over Mike McCrea due to their extradition policy (similar to that of the EU. Remember the Chechen diplomat wanted for terror charges in Moscow?). If we had abolished capital punishment, we could have dealt with him more quickly and avoided wasting taxpayers' funds in Victoria.Originally posted by commonsense:yes, we seem to have a kangaroo court in sg. sg law is for sporeans ONLY, not for foreigners. of cos the only thing they can brag about is giving michael fay those strokes for vandalism. nothing else beside that -
Even then, our government bowed in to pressure from those Yanks and reduced Fay's punishment to four strokes, down from six.Originally posted by commonsense:yes, we seem to have a kangaroo court in sg. sg law is for sporeans ONLY, not for foreigners. of cos the only thing they can brag about is giving michael fay those strokes for vandalism. nothing else beside that
While it's not as bad as waiving the caning sentence altogether, it shows serious lack of spine on the part of those PAP-heads.
Ok.... I'm going out of point here.
Anyway, I am still in firm support of the death penalty. Yeah, sure, it is indeed undoubtably harsh, but it is harsh penalties which help to make would-be killers think twice about picking up the knife and shoving it into someone's back.
Even if the victim was indeed a maid-abuser, surely there are other avenues to turn turn besides killing the tormentor. I'm sure the maid could have told someone even if she was kept cooped up at home. When we take matters into our own hands and do not allow justice to run its course, we sink down to the level of beasts. -
From where I stand, while the maid is certainly guilty of murder, the circumstances will be taken into account. On grounds of "temporary insanity" it's most likely she will be convicted on a lighter sentence/charge.
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I wouldn't be in a hurry to dismiss claims that the maids were sort of driven to commit the crime by the way they were treated.
I used to be in the service line and know that rich S'poreans can be a very very very nasty lot. They see things from their perspective and find it very hard to empathise with the downtrodden, not to mention trigger happy when it comes to complaints.
Well, of course I'm not saying the dead woman was a bad person or that the maids didn't commit the crime out of sheer evilness.
But let's just not condemn people so outrightly. To begin with, it's already tough to come all the way here and be separated with one's loved ones. -
but if the circumstances can be taken into account, why not take into account the circumstances of the man who robbed the bank out of poverty?Originally posted by SilentAssassin:From where I stand, while the maid is certainly guilty of murder, the circumstances will be taken into account. On grounds of "temporary insanity" it's most likely she will be convicted on a lighter sentence/charge. -
Precisely!
That robbery case just shows what one-tracked mind our scholars and bureaucrats have!!
I take issue with the public prosecutor's comments that the man's circumstances notwithstanding, the State should send a clear message that bank robbery is not tolerated and that Singapore's reputation should be protected.
I think that is utterly callous and shows a complete lack of sympathy and empathy on the part of our so-called "elite" who seem to think that the ends justifies the means. So protecting Singapore's reputation absolutely overrides all other concerns, and has no place for even the fact that the robbery is probably going to be a remote event.
Four cases last year do not mean there will be another four cases this year.
Now, you'll remember that case of the woman who was raped and killed at Bukit Butok nature reserve on CNY couple of years back. If I'm not wrong, the case is unsolved. Does this mean that rapists will be emboldened to do the same thing because our police wasn't able to catch the culprit?
Suffice to say, Singapore I feel is standing on the edge of a precipice built up by years of complacency, materialism and self-delusion that our system is the best (read: PAP can only be the sole custodian of power). Singaporeans have betrayed a total lack of soul that comes with a vibrant civil society and the reason why this is so is because of the material culture the PAP has fostered.
So winning the case is everything for the Public Prosecutor because you know, it'll look good on his appraisal. Sadly, that comes at the expense of the underlings of society. -
Yes, i agree. Ill-treatment is no justification for murder. The only circumstance whereby killing is justified is in the case where one's life is in danger, as an act of self-defence when under grave and sudden provocation.Originally posted by fudgester:Even then, our government bowed in to pressure from those Yanks and reduced Fay's punishment to four strokes, down from six.
While it's not as bad as waiving the caning sentence altogether, it shows serious lack of spine on the part of those PAP-heads.
Ok.... I'm going out of point here.
Anyway, I am still in firm support of the death penalty. Yeah, sure, it is indeed undoubtably harsh, but it is harsh penalties which help to make would-be killers think twice about picking up the knife and shoving it into someone's back.
Even if the victim was indeed a maid-abuser, surely there are other avenues to turn turn besides killing the tormentor. I'm sure the maid could have told someone even if she was kept cooped up at home. When we take matters into our own hands and do not allow justice to run its course, we sink down to the level of beasts.
By the way, if one were to examine the 'ill-treatment' claims made by the maid in court, it actually merely involves verbal abuse, extra work twice a week and deduction of salary. Does this constitute a grave and sudden provocation that would justify killing the employer? If the answer is in the affirmative, then i think all NSFs serving their national service in the army will be justified to kill their superior officers liao. The court has to be very careful in its sentencing so as not to send the wrong message to the public and make a fool of itself... political interference notwithstanding. -
Based on what do you "examine" the ill-treatment claims? A quarter page newspaper report with 1 or 2 lines on the diary entries of the maids?Originally posted by cornyfish2000:Yes, i agree. Ill-treatment is no justification for murder. The only circumstance whereby killing is justified is in the case where one's life is in danger, as an act of self-defence when under grave and sudden provocation.
By the way, if one were to examine the 'ill-treatment' claims made by the maid in court, it actually merely involves verbal abuse, extra work twice a week and deduction of salary. Does this constitute a grave and sudden provocation that would justify killing the employer? If the answer is in the affirmative, then i think all NSFs serving their national service in the army will be justified to kill their superior officers liao. The court has to be very careful in its sentencing so as not to send the wrong message to the public and make a fool of itself... political interference notwithstanding.
Killing a person is a very grave matter and would take plenty of courage considering the strict laws in Singapore as well as as the widespread coverage involving Flor Contemplacion and the likes. It would take a series of events or a major event to trigger that instinct.
I am not defending the maids here but let's inject some humane perspective into what would otherwise turn out to be another sanitized proceeding that Singapore is so capable of: Kill, Court, Death Sentence. That Singapore should protect its sovereignty by rejecting any form of political interference is just plain bullshit. TO begin with, there is already lots of subliminal political interference on the part of the US with Singpaore, except that in this case, Singapore is a willing sucker.
Coming back to the case, if the maids were sentenced to death, I feel the sister-in-law and the husband should get their comeuppance too. They should be charged for sharing the maid and asking her to go clean that sister-in-law's house.
What also totally disgusts me is that the sister-in-law only pays them $10. Now, corny, if you were asked to clean 2 big houses every week and at the same time, were told to follow strictly to a routine that basically reflects the whims of a perverse mind, I believe you'll be very very very frustrated.
Again, let's not just think that "Oh, the maids were merely overworked, they deserve to die"...There could be more to the matter.
Maids are also human. In the first place, I'm very disinclined to call them "maids". They are real people who are raised in poverty and are merely looking for a better life. Some come here to earn that eatra $100 to send back to finance their brothers and sisters to school. Some just want a more comfortable life for themselves or their parents. And all this as their loved ones toil in the homeland. And mind you, they don't get paid in the first few months as the money goes to the agency, some of which are real bloodsuckers. Put yourself in their shoes. You go through all this. Do you want to land yourself in the gallows for a moment of greed?
Singaporeans are basically a selfish lot. That's the truth. And that's the reason why our service standard may never be up to par. As customers, we think we deserve the best service but at the same time, we are unwilling to be generous or gracious to the people who serve us. How many times have you heard a Singaporean say "Thank You" to the waitress or cashier??
We need to re-examine our souls before we are really spiritually bankrupt as I believe many of our scholars and bureaucrats are. -
The ill-treatment claims? Aren't they splashed all over the papers everyday?!Originally posted by Profounder:Based on what do you "examine" the ill-treatment claims? A quarter page newspaper report with 1 or 2 lines on the diary entries of the maids?
Killing a person is a very grave matter and would take plenty of courage considering the strict laws in Singapore as well as as the widespread coverage involving Flor Contemplacion and the likes. It would take a series of events or a major event to trigger that instinct.
I am not defending the maids here but let's inject some humane perspective into what would otherwise turn out to be another sanitized proceeding that Singapore is so capable of: Kill, Court, Death Sentence. That Singapore should protect its sovereignty by rejecting any form of political interference is just plain bullshit. TO begin with, there is already lots of subliminal political interference on the part of the US with Singpaore, except that in this case, Singapore is a willing sucker.
Coming back to the case, if the maids were sentenced to death, I feel the sister-in-law and the husband should get their comeuppance too. They should be charged for sharing the maid and asking her to go clean that sister-in-law's house.
What also totally disgusts me is that the sister-in-law only pays them $10. Now, corny, if you were asked to clean 2 big houses every week and at the same time, were told to follow strictly to a routine that basically reflects the whims of a perverse mind, I believe you'll be very very very frustrated.
Again, let's not just think that "Oh, the maids were merely overworked, they deserve to die"...There could be more to the matter.
Maids are also human. In the first place, I'm very disinclined to call them "maids". They are real people who are raised in poverty and are merely looking for a better life. Some come here to earn that eatra $100 to send back to finance their brothers and sisters to school. Some just want a more comfortable life for themselves or their parents. And all this as their loved ones toil in the homeland. And mind you, they don't get paid in the first few months as the money goes to the agency, some of which are real bloodsuckers. Put yourself in their shoes. You go through all this. Do you want to land yourself in the gallows for a moment of greed?
Singaporeans are basically a selfish lot. That's the truth. And that's the reason why our service standard may never be up to par. As customers, we think we deserve the best service but at the same time, we are unwilling to be generous or gracious to the people who serve us. How many times have you heard a Singaporean say "Thank You" to the waitress or cashier??
We need to re-examine our souls before we are really spiritually bankrupt as I believe many of our scholars and bureaucrats are.
Anyway, no one is arguing that these maids were not unfairly treated. They were overworked, verbally abused, paid peanuts etc etc. Of course the employers are guilty and should be punished for that. But the issue at hand is, are the maids guilty of murder? Is being overworked and underpaid enough justification to kill?
As i mentioned, the only legal defence for a sane person killing another human being is when such an act is committed in self defence, when there is a real and imminent threat to life. Does ill-treatment constitute a threat to life or limb, especially when no physical violence was involved? So does the killing in this case fall into the category of self-defence? i think not. Even if we were to disregard the legal aspect, don't u think that killing someone is a far too excessive response to mere verbal abuse and overwork?
hmmm... and i dun quite get your point on Singapore rejecting political interference. Are u suggesting that if we were to hang the maid, it will be out of an attempt on our part to demonstrate that we're not subjected to political intereference, rather than because hanging is the precribed punishment for all murderers?