What has the Chinese/Koreans been teaching their students?
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One BBC programme said ONE MILLION died in Singapore/Malaysia, including those dying of hunger, weakened bodies.......poor nutrition during the jap occupation...... -
Is this confirmed?Any sources to back this up?Originally posted by sgdiehard:The jap textbooks deny the killings in SEA, including the 50,000 in Singapore. They have also justified their invasion of Singapore stating that it was necessary to liberate the locals from the brits colonial power. don't think we can expect some "complaining"? Singaporeans apparently don't care about history or what their grandfathers did. Our education problem?
Interesting..anyway to state a point, we might have forgiven but we have not forgotten, we just go about our business in a more silent approach.But I'm damned certain that any male Singaporean will shoot to kill anyone that dares to repeat these acts again on our soil.
Knives anyone? -
Originally posted by LazerLordz:
Sorry to break it to you, but here is a link from Japan:
Is this confirmed?Any sources to back this up?
http://www.japan-press.co.jp/2245/fuwa.html
Read the part about Singapore. No death toll was mentioned.
...the textbook extols the victory of the operations in Southeast Asia, from the landing operation on the Malay Peninsula to the fall of Singapore. It says that the victory was significant in bringing about the liberation of Asia.
"At last Japan undermined the British rule over Southeast Asia. In the Philippines, Java (presently Indonesia), and Burma (Myanmar), Japan defeated the U.S., Dutch, and British forces. In about a hundred days, Japan prevailed in the early stage of the war.
"The victory owed a great deal to cooperation from the local people who had suffered under the white colonial rule for several hundred years. Japan's victory in the early stage of the war nurtured dreams and gave courage toward achieving independence among many people of Southeast Asia and India" (pp. 276-277). -
[i was taught all that in secondary school. It is not so much about the history books, but rather, whether you teacher bothers to teach you all that or not. But even so, we were taught in a very factual manner, and not in a biased form as in hate the japanese.]
did you happen to come from one of those SAP schools? and i'm talking about 20 years ago. all the rest of government schools read standard texts and as a matter of fact i still have them and really there isn't much other than the water treatment.
about facts. facts they are no doubt but if you read them and aren't moved by them then could there be something extraordinarily hard inside?
[And fyi, the rape of nanking was a reccomended text in quite a few schools. And not to mention those natonal education messages that they always drill into our heads.]
again here we're talking about teaching history at the national level, the books that are read in a few schools don't count. what counts is what the rest of the nation's students read.
[So if you talk about knowledge , a hell lot of us have it. We knew it happened. But we chose not to bother.]
there is a difference between not bothering, being apathetic and being downright insensitive to the past sufferings of our fellows human beings.
i would say i'm not bothered. why? coz i didn't bother to start a thread about it. why did i reply? cos there were apathetic people who just aren't sensitive enough about the sufferings of others. the least they could do really is like what you say don't bother.
[cos simply it is so darn distant and remote from us. Right now they are denying the rape of nanking. And thats china's buisness. And unless they start denying the obvious about SEA, you won't see many people complaining.]
sometimes you wonder why the british are so bothered by US prerogatives that they are willing to risk the lives of their own people for them? you see, distant and remote as they are, they are not completely irrelevant. no i don't hope or even wish that people here complain or go beserk and start ransaking rahmen and sake sushi shops. i expect them to like you said, don't bother ... at the very least. -
[Hatred and genocide are never distant cousins for too long.And a worthy cause prostituted for too long and too much, becomes another diatribe that is similar to a pogrom.Let the PRC be careful not to misuse the goodwill and sympathy and turn this into a racist crusade where they will become the enemy one day]
apathy and tragedy also go hand in hand. a grieving voice that is turned a death ear to for too long soon turns into tragedy as the devil we chose not to fight next sets his eyes upon us. -
Originally posted by Tuatau:
Lies.Yeah it propelled us indirectly to statehood but we sure as hell did not invite them in for a tea session.
Sorry to break it to you, but here is a link from Japan:
http://www.japan-press.co.jp/2245/fuwa.html
Read the part about Singapore. No death toll was mentioned.
...the textbook extols the victory of the operations in Southeast Asia, from the landing operation on the Malay Peninsula to the fall of Singapore. It says that the victory was significant in bringing about the liberation of Asia.
[b]"At last Japan undermined the British rule over Southeast Asia. In the Philippines, Java (presently Indonesia), and Burma (Myanmar), Japan defeated the U.S., Dutch, and British forces. In about a hundred days, Japan prevailed in the early stage of the war.
"The victory owed a great deal to cooperation from the local people who had suffered under the white colonial rule for several hundred years. Japan's victory in the early stage of the war nurtured dreams and gave courage toward achieving independence among many people of Southeast Asia and India" (pp. 276-277).[/b]
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[Is this confirmed?Any sources to back this up?]
i must say thank you tuatau.
[Interesting..anyway to state a point, we might have forgiven but we have not forgotten, we just go about our business in a more silent approach.But I'm damned certain that any male Singaporean will shoot to kill anyone that dares to repeat these acts again on our soil.
Knives anyone?]
i think we can't be bothered like our centurion said. otherwise we wouldn't be eating rahmen and sake sushi and buying Sony products would we?
but why should we forget? forget that we've been conquered? forget that we've been subjugated? forget we've been slaughtered? forget that we need to defend ourselves?
you must understand my point. i'm not here to gather everybody and beat the pulp out of the japs. i think it's beyond people like you and me. i'm writing just to make sure people understand that these people really suffered a lot. and unless you went through the exact same intensity of suffering, you have no right to judge them. you have no right to brush off their past sufferings so easily. unless your wife, mother or grandmother has been raped and the culprit went scott free and still you were magnanimous enough to say you're ok, then maybe you have some right to condemn them. -
[Lies.Yeah it propelled us indirectly to statehood but we sure as hell did not invite them in for a tea session.]
if the conquest by the japanese gave us freedom from the british in 1965, then it sure was 18 years slower than india which the japs didn't reach. -
Originally posted by Tuatau:
Thanks for the clarification.
Sorry to break it to you, but here is a link from Japan:
http://www.japan-press.co.jp/2245/fuwa.html
Read the part about Singapore. No death toll was mentioned.
...the textbook extols the victory of the operations in Southeast Asia, from the landing operation on the Malay Peninsula to the fall of Singapore. It says that the victory was significant in bringing about the liberation of Asia.
[b]"At last Japan undermined the British rule over Southeast Asia. In the Philippines, Java (presently Indonesia), and Burma (Myanmar), Japan defeated the U.S., Dutch, and British forces. In about a hundred days, Japan prevailed in the early stage of the war.
"The victory owed a great deal to cooperation from the local people who had suffered under the white colonial rule for several hundred years. Japan's victory in the early stage of the war nurtured dreams and gave courage toward achieving independence among many people of Southeast Asia and India" (pp. 276-277).[/b] -
Originally posted by Tuatau:
Sorry to break it to you, but here is a link from Japan:
http://www.japan-press.co.jp/2245/fuwa.html
Read the part about Singapore. No death toll was mentioned.
...the textbook extols the victory of the operations in Southeast Asia, from the landing operation on the Malay Peninsula to the fall of Singapore. It says that the victory was significant in bringing about the liberation of Asia.
[b]"At last Japan undermined the British rule over Southeast Asia. In the Philippines, Java (presently Indonesia), and Burma (Myanmar), Japan defeated the U.S., Dutch, and British forces. In about a hundred days, Japan prevailed in the early stage of the war.
"The victory owed a great deal to cooperation from the local people who had suffered under the white colonial rule for several hundred years. Japan's victory in the early stage of the war nurtured dreams and gave courage toward achieving independence among many people of Southeast Asia and India" (pp. 276-277).[/b]
lol i can't help but laugh when reading all this -
Nobody want to see history repeating itself and that is what many who are concerned about this issue are trying to do, in each own way.Originally posted by LazerLordz:Is this confirmed?Any sources to back this up?
Interesting..anyway to state a point, we might have forgiven but we have not forgotten, we just go about our business in a more silent approach.But I'm damned certain that any male Singaporean will shoot to kill anyone that dares to repeat these acts again on our soil.
Knives anyone?
Singaporeans certainly do not want this to happen on our soil, ever again. If we can stop the problem from the beginning, without guns or knives, we should; if we have to resort to carrying guns, we have to be sure that we are able to take them on, but due to the size of singapore, we will most likely have to fight hand in hand with all countries suffering the same fate. May be that is why China, a communist country, and Korea, a strong ally of America, are standing side by side on this issue.
Knives were said to be given to womenfolk in china to commit suicide should they have no place to run from the enemy. Hope we don't have to distribute knives. -
Well, I've not forgotten.Originally posted by snow leopard:[Is this confirmed?Any sources to back this up?]
i must say thank you tuatau.
[Interesting..anyway to state a point, we might have forgiven but we have not forgotten, we just go about our business in a more silent approach.But I'm damned certain that any male Singaporean will shoot to kill anyone that dares to repeat these acts again on our soil.
Knives anyone?]
i think we can't be bothered like our centurion said. otherwise we wouldn't be eating rahmen and sake sushi and buying Sony products would we?
but why should we forget? forget that we've been conquered? forget that we've been subjugated? forget we've been slaughtered? forget that we need to defend ourselves?
you must understand my point. i'm not here to gather everybody and beat the pulp out of the japs. i think it's beyond people like you and me. i'm writing just to make sure people understand that these people really suffered a lot. and unless you went through the exact same intensity of suffering, you have no right to judge them. you have no right to brush off their past sufferings so easily. unless your wife, mother or grandmother has been raped and the culprit went scott free and still you were magnanimous enough to say you're ok, then maybe you have some right to condemn them. -
My knives are for knuckle to knuckle street fighting.And we won't ever have to be in the same situation as 1942 because of our SAF today.Like it or hate it, it will make sure we are a proper and sovereign nation.Originally posted by sgdiehard:Nobody want to see history repeating itself and that is what many who are concerned about this issue are trying to do, in each own way.
Singaporeans certainly do not want this to happen on our soil, ever again. If we can stop the problem from the beginning, without guns or knives, we should; if we have to resort to carrying guns, we have to be sure that we are able to take them on, but due to the size of singapore, we will most likely have to fight hand in hand with all countries suffering the same fate. May be that is why China, a communist country, and Korea, a strong ally of America, are standing side by side on this issue.
Knives were said to be given to womenfolk in china to commit suicide should they have no place to run from the enemy. Hope we don't have to distribute knives. -
I think we are living a good life here that we don't bother that much about the political situation thousands of miles from us.We go on building our little island to be the jewel of south east asia.In fact most of us will turn the other way if posed of how they feel about it.We say we are Singaporean chinese.That thing happen in China.We are different from those peasants from China.We are well educated, tech savvy etc.Those in China are troublemakers.
Well that kind of thinking got us into slavery in WW2.The Japs didn't attack Singapore first.They attacked China and marched THOUSANDS OF MILES before reaching us.Think about it.