PSC scholar makes racist blog entries
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Well, this might the end product of an elitist society where these people grow up in an environment that is not representative of the social strata of Singapore.Put it this way, I knew this guy personally.We came from the same primary school, and we began to lose touch in secondary school.Most of the people I know have a relatively sheltered and well-off upbringing, including myself.What made the difference is perhaps how we go on in life, perhaps he did not have the ability to see beyond skin colour.Originally posted by pkchukiss:That even a scholar spouts racist nonsense is probably an indication of an intolerant undercurrent in our society.
I myself have encountered these people at many turns, including my friends, some of whom are CCPs (Chinese Chauvanist Pigs). I keep quiet, and let them vent whatever unjustified anger, before shaking my head, and change the topic.
Trying to improve their perception seems to make things worse. They seek out every excuse and reason to vindicate their views. In my opinion, there are always 101 reasons why something is right, or something is wrong, and in the end, their nit-picking behaviour stems from their dislike for other races.
Surely this does not bode well for our society. The racial riots of 1960s still float to my mind whenever they engage in their racist pelting. Have we already started to forget the pain and agony that our parents went through during that time?
I spent 10 years in a mission school, and after I landed up in JI, which comparatively speaking, was a huge crash landing for me, considering most of my mates went to HCJC, RJC, ACJC etc..But I learnt one valuable lesson in having joined a "neighbourhood" institution, and that is, the reality of Singapore is that we have to mix around and engage each other.Though interracial engagement was quite non-existent in secondary school due to statistical reasons and frankly speaking, I did not feel that comfy mixing around initially.However, as time went by, many situations helped me to forge better friendships with everyone, regardless of skin tone.
Should we blame his upbringing or the elitist school system in which he went through, that does not possess a representation of our society?I do not know, but there is a cause and effect for everything.Yes, I cannot condone what he did because of the very fact that he holds a PSC scholarship and of the future responsibility that he might have to carry out in the Civil Service later on.He is an "ass" because he could not see beyond his own failings and be objective.You may have your viewpoint of things, but this has to be tempered to the environment around you.It's impossible to have your cake and eat it, but then again, many people wish otherwise.
There are a few paths a person can take in life, I'm glad that I had my wake-up call in regards to mixing around and appreciating everyone for who they are and not their race.But for others, it might take awhile more.. -
U r really a bigot...why shld mozart tell his real name...this PSC scholar news is splashed across in ST..unless u r ill-informed and he did apologize...why shld Mozart hve to be fair...he is not the one who is racist...Originally posted by sgdiehard:The only thing that appears to be true here is that there is a PSC scholar called Chua Cheng Zhan. Pls show us where were the racist remarks made. Were there really racists remarks???
I don't want to join you in condemning anybody, PSC scholar or not, based on hearsay from a person called "Mozart". You should actually tell us your real name, to be fair to Chua Cheng Zhan.
I do not know Mozart but just find yr take on this issue ridiculous.... -
most people, if not all have racism in them. it is just a matter of how extreme one is. i feel that the issue at hand has little to do with his scholarship. i trust that the government will check on his behaviour if he eventually works in the civil service.
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If this fellow were an ordinary citizen, nobody would have bothered. However, since he is a scholar, others have high standards for him and are inevitably quick to judge. I feel that anyone is capable of making such racist statements, scholar or not.
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Share you view that this is the end result of an elitist society.Originally posted by LazerLordz:Well, this might the end product of an elitist society where these people grow up in an environment that is not representative of the social strata of Singapore.Put it this way, I knew this guy personally.We came from the same primary school, and we began to lose touch in secondary school.Most of the people I know have a relatively sheltered and well-off upbringing, including myself.What made the difference is perhaps how we go on in life, perhaps he did not have the ability to see beyond skin colour.
I spent 10 years in a mission school, and after I landed up in JI, which comparatively speaking, was a huge crash landing for me, considering most of my mates went to HCJC, RJC, ACJC etc..But I learnt one valuable lesson in having joined a "neighbourhood" institution, and that is, the reality of Singapore is that we have to mix around and engage each other.Though interracial engagement was quite non-existent in secondary school due to statistical reasons and frankly speaking, I did not feel that comfy mixing around initially.However, as time went by, many situations helped me to forge better friendships with everyone, regardless of skin tone.
Should we blame his upbringing or the elitist school system in which he went through, that does not possess a representation of our society?I do not know, but there is a cause and effect for everything.Yes, I cannot condone what he did because of the very fact that he holds a PSC scholarship and of the future responsibility that he might have to carry out in the Civil Service later on.He is an "ass" because he could not see beyond his own failings and be objective.You may have your viewpoint of things, but this has to be tempered to the environment around you.It's impossible to have your cake and eat it, but then again, many people wish otherwise.
There are a few paths a person can take in life, I'm glad that I had my wake-up call in regards to mixing around and appreciating everyone for who they are and not their race.But for others, it might take awhile more..
Came across many people at the ground level, running motor worships, selling spare parts and general retails. These people generally do not speak proper english but local chinese dialects and malays. they mix around very well among the chinese, malays and indians. Still calling the indians mama but are among friends. These are the people I am proud of introducing to my foreign friends for they really represent the multi racial society of singapore.
the few elite singaporeans I know, from well to do families, from the famous JC, got scholarships, educated overseas, speaking only english and nothing else, now working as senior managers in MNC and government service. These people choose who they socialize with and handle people of different races and religion only over the counters or behind desks. They are careful not to speak racist remarks, or being professional. They are smart but do not cover their dislikes for people different from them. See how they respond to people who eat with hands, use different kind of perfume or different body odour, different dresses other than shirt and ties.
Not happy that I din get into the famous JC but am no regret that I from the neighbourhood JC. I know what it means to be sensitive to people different, be it religion or race. Unfortunately in singapore, the stupid and arrogant racists identify themselves but there are many smart ones who only show themselves when they want to. As their friends, do we tell them? -
Why is that so with the "BUT there is no place for racism in the Civil service" afterall we are not living in a perfect society let alone some views which are only human. Civil Service accounts nothing but that of a noble namesake, that presumes its course of actions justifiable and fair.Originally posted by lwflee:Racism is fine. It boils down to personal belief. BUT there is no place for racism in the Civil service. None at all. I would have taken his scholarship away.
However I do see your point in that one of the Civil service should emanate fair views and ideas as it is suppose to set an exemplary record for the public -
Me, I will tell them off if need be, especially if the jibes become a vicious thing.But I will not shun them, because I would rather be a tolerant person and attack his behavior and not the person.Originally posted by sgdiehard:Share you view that this is the end result of an elitist society.
Came across many people at the ground level, running motor worships, selling spare parts and general retails. These people generally do not speak proper english but local chinese dialects and malays. they mix around very well among the chinese, malays and indians. Still calling the indians mama but are among friends. These are the people I am proud of introducing to my foreign friends for they really represent the multi racial society of singapore.
the few elite singaporeans I know, from well to do families, from the famous JC, got scholarships, educated overseas, speaking only english and nothing else, now working as senior managers in MNC and government service. These people choose who they socialize with and handle people of different races and religion only over the counters or behind desks. They are careful not to speak racist remarks, or being professional. They are smart but do not cover their dislikes for people different from them. See how they respond to people who eat with hands, use different kind of perfume or different body odour, different dresses other than shirt and ties.
Not happy that I din get into the famous JC but am no regret that I from the neighbourhood JC. I know what it means to be sensitive to people different, be it religion or race. Unfortunately in singapore, the stupid and arrogant racists identify themselves but there are many smart ones who only show themselves when they want to. As their friends, do we tell them?
In fact, I feel that it's sad that you have people in the top echelons who do not know the ground very well.In my opinion, those who are able to be versatile, outgoing and be able to relate and engage anyone regardless of income, race or religion should be up there in terms of respect.We need people with the software, not just the hardware.
We need people who can look beyond small barriers and be true fellows who will be more egalitarian and less of a bigot.Public service has no place for bigots.This we must be clear of, very clear. -
There will always be people in any society who is pea-brained and racist.
Anyway, what was he thinking when he made the remark, seeing that our President belongs to the race he snubs. -
However you cant shun the fact that racism is here and will forever be entrenched in our society, if not why the need to call for in one of the verses in our national pledge "Regardless of race, language or religion"Originally posted by elindra:There will always be people in any society who is pea-brained and racist.
Anyway, what was he thinking when he made the remark, seeing that our President belongs to the race he snubs.
As a matter of fact why not just lable us plain humans instead of handling us and accepting racial identities.
What I am not, is condone racism, however I cant deny its presence, and could see no relation nor associate that of "pea-braines" to something that is plain o matter of fact. -
The Pledge is just for show only lar. Where is the "democratic" element it sought to introduce? (to build a DEMOCRATIC society, based on justice & equality etc)Originally posted by shining_force:However you cant shun the fact that racism is here and will forever be entrenched in our society, if not why the need to call for in one of the verses in our national pledge "Regardless of race, language or religion"
As a matter of fact why not just lable us plain humans instead of handling us and accepting racial identities.
What I am not, is condone racism, however I cant deny its presence, and could see no relation nor associate that of "pea-braines" to something that is plain o matter of fact. -
Agreed.However we should strive constantly to prevent it from rearing its ugly head.The minute we stop striving, then we are no good to the world.Originally posted by shining_force:However you cant shun the fact that racism is here and will forever be entrenched in our society, if not why the need to call for in one of the verses in our national pledge "Regardless of race, language or religion"
As a matter of fact why not just lable us plain humans instead of handling us and accepting racial identities.
What I am not, is condone racism, however I cant deny its presence, and could see no relation nor associate that of "pea-braines" to something that is plain o matter of fact.
Jibing with each other and poking fun is one thing, using calculative and insulting words with vicious intent on another race or generalising them in public is a no-no for a person who will be a future "elite" civil servant. -
Yes exactly. "DEMOCRATIC" "REGARDLESS OF RACE" only serves to strenghten and highlight the fact that the double standards is inherent.Originally posted by iveco:The Pledge is just for show only lar. Where is the "democratic" element it sought to introduce? (to build a DEMOCRATIC society, based on justice & equality etc)
Its like a person saying he will keep a promise, in a way you will know he will either keep it or break it, irregardless of how trustworthy he is! -
These people are there at the top echelons because of their special skills or abilities, the sad reality is that they remains up there despite of their racists attitude. If we cannot avoid elitism, then there must be some mechanism to ensure such racists attitudes are checked.Originally posted by LazerLordz:Me, I will tell them off if need be, especially if the jibes become a vicious thing.But I will not shun them, because I would rather be a tolerant person and attack his behavior and not the person.
In fact, I feel that it's sad that you have people in the top echelons who do not know the ground very well.In my opinion, those who are able to be versatile, outgoing and be able to relate and engage anyone regardless of income, race or religion should be up there in terms of respect.We need people with the software, not just the hardware.
We need people who can look beyond small barriers and be true fellows who will be more egalitarian and less of a bigot.Public service has no place for bigots.This we must be clear of, very clear. -
QC and more ISOs?
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That's the result of putting your kids in SAP schs like Hwa Chong & Chinese High- u don't mix with other races.
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the guy from RIOriginally posted by gerrykoh:That's the result of putting your kids in SAP schs like Hwa Chong & Chinese High- u don't mix with other races.
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Well, it does happen in the top schools.I've seen it happen.Originally posted by crazy monkey:the guy from RI 
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wats the big fark abt psc scholar's racism remarks?
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Because the civil service is paid for by the people's money and they are working in the name of the people and the country. THerefore, civil servants should not embrace ideas that are contrary to the values the country holds dear.Originally posted by shining_force:Why is that so with the "BUT there is no place for racism in the Civil service" afterall we are not living in a perfect society let alone some views which are only human. Civil Service accounts nothing but that of a noble namesake, that presumes its course of actions justifiable and fair.
However I do see your point in that one of the Civil service should emanate fair views and ideas as it is suppose to set an exemplary record for the public
Some might argue that the only thing that is achieved by revoking his scholarship is to prevent overt expressions of racism. That is to a certain extent true. But then the line must be drawn somewhere. We can't really know what people's secret thoughts are. However, when we do know, we should act swiftly and decisively. It would be a slippery slope otherwise.
Others would argue that even MM Lee have made less than acceptable remarks in public in the past. To this i say: I would have gotten rid of that man when he made those remarks. -
Still remember his comments about putting a Malay sergeant in charge of a GPMG section. But aren't there Malay specialists in charge of 84mm bazooka teams as well?Originally posted by lwflee:Others would argue that even MM Lee have made less than acceptable remarks in public in the past. To this i say: I would have gotten rid of that man when he made those remarks. -
academic brillance not equals to rationale behaviour
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I totally agree. We take action based on our deepest thoughts and desires. If such seeds of discord are not removed immediately after their implantation, they will soon grow into something monstrous.Originally posted by lwflee:Because the civil service is paid for by the people's money and they are working in the name of the people and the country. Therefore, civil servants should not embrace ideas that are contrary to the values the country holds dear.
Some might argue that the only thing that is achieved by revoking his scholarship is to prevent overt expressions of racism. That is to a certain extent true. But then the line must be drawn somewhere. We can't really know what people's secret thoughts are. However, when we do know, we should act swiftly and decisively. It would be a slippery slope otherwise.
Others would argue that even MM Lee have made less than acceptable remarks in public in the past. To this i say: I would have gotten rid of that man when he made those remarks.
What's more, this is a person on government sponsorship, which makes it all the more paramount that he be of nothing less than exemplary attitude and conduct.
At least he has the decency to admit his wrong in this matter, and I really hope that he will sincerely accept other races as much as he is his own race. That is the only way our country will evade the dangerous slip road to racial unrest. -
Well said!Let me buy you a cold oneOriginally posted by bismarck:academic brillance not equals to rationale behaviour
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I hope he matures and grows up.
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somebody should buy him a "how not to be racist" textbook so he can memorise and blurt out every line. scholars? intellectuals? my arse, no wonder singapore doesnt have any success stories.