Twins petition to free death row Dad
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How heartless? Don't you think that the innocent families of the traffickers deserve some sympathy for their plight?Originally posted by dragg:i am one who believes in 'you reap what you sow'.
everywhere in the world, however rich the country, there are crimes and there are exploitations. there are many in need of help. govt come up with different policies to help. but there is only so much any govt can do.
there are people borned with 'disadvantages' but grew up and turn out just fine. people have to take responsibility for what they do.
Visiting the sins of the father on the lives of the children - isn't that unfair to the children themselves? I do think our society (and the govt, of coruse) has taken too far the mantra of rugged individualism.
the sad pikamaster -
Your statement is far too hasty: economic situation got nothing to do with health of body and mind. You probably need to understand more of his situation before making such an untinking comment.Originally posted by Kenashi:everyone got a choice. what is no choice. he can choose to do it or don't.
since he did it, he must be prepared to accept the consequences.
he got all his limbs n a sound mind, he n his family won't starve to death in singapore, he just choosing the easiest way to earn money.
And given the government's ultra-utilitarian economic policies - usually reducing CPF contributions of employers, and reducing wage rates, and clamping down on strike action - a person could possibly have him and his family starve to death if he was long enough unemployed - not because of laziness but because of lack of opportunity to a job which can provide for the entire family.
the agrieved pikamaster -
Originally posted by pikamaster:How heartless? Don't you think that the innocent families of the traffickers deserve some sympathy for their plight?
our govt spent a lot of money to get addicts to stay away from drugs. but the traffickers bring drugs to the addicts. what about the addicts family? the traffickers have themselves to blame!!! he brought this upon his family.
Visiting the sins of the father on the lives of the children - isn't that unfair to the children themselves? I do think our society (and the govt, of coruse) has taken too far the mantra of rugged individualism.
the sad pikamaster
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sure, they are in excess of what a drug addict can possibly consume at one go, but not in how much a drug addict can hoard or save for self-consumption.Originally posted by cornyfish2000:hmmm.. as far as i understand, anyone found to have in his possession more than 15g of heroin or 500g of cannabis will be deemed to be trafficking in that particular drug and will be given the mandatory death sentence.
I think the respective limits are set such that they are far in excess of what a drug addict can possibly consume. Thus anyone with more than the stipulated amount is assumed to be trafficking, with no exceptions allowed.
That is the loophole in a mandatory death penalty for drug trafficking law. It does not seek to discover the intention for possessing the large quantities of drugs, which sometimes might not even be present, as in the case of the HK tourists who had heroin smuggled into their luggage at HK Airport, and henceforth the risk of sentencing an innocent is extremely high, as in innocent in desire to traffick drugs. In fact, the intention is ASSUMED, which is the greatest violation of Rule of Law, in that a suspect is innocent till proven guilty: in thsi case the suspect is taken to be guilty immediately, a gross miscarriage of justice.
Remember, quantitative measures can never be fully qualitative.
the deliberative pikamaster -
It's easy to look back and slam the trafficker.But get back to reality, not many people will traffick out of fun or neutral reasons knowing full well the penalty.Originally posted by dragg:
Here is a man who placed his life on the line for his sons, and the law is such a f.ucking harsh mistress.The day we place the word of the law above human morality is the doom of a humane and civil society.The death penalty should not be prescribed unilaterally and it MUST be struck off the list of mandatory punishments.This is very unconstitutional, the presiding judge MUST not be hampered by the weight of the law and prevent him from doing proper and fair justice weighted against mitigating factors.
Which dumbf.uck placed the death penalty as a mandatory punishment clearly did not wish to have a fully independant judiciary that will interpret the law according to different factors.It has reduced the judiciary to being people who simply carry out whatever is required of them, without the need for any mode of moderation of punishment that is warranted, but forbidden due to some archaic clause written on paper.
People must never be presumed to be guilty until intention is proven.Our law here clearly stands against the good morals of a civil society, not mention allows for automatic execution of anyone who has not even been proven of his intention to commit a crime, and has merely breached the administratice spirit of the law.
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is he the only one in dire straits? there are many out there!! but how many resort to drug trafficking? no reason is good enough to justify drug trafficking.Originally posted by pikamaster:Your statement is far too hasty: economic situation got nothing to do with health of body and mind. You probably need to understand more of his situation before making such an untinking comment.
And given the government's ultra-utilitarian economic policies - usually reducing CPF contributions of employers, and reducing wage rates, and clamping down on strike action - a person could possibly have him and his family starve to death if he was long enough unemployed - not because of laziness but because of lack of opportunity to a job which can provide for the entire family.
the agrieved pikamaster -
Rules is rules. Life don't come first. Justice come first. To died for a greater good. You call it. LIFE IS NOTHING.
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go kill urself thenOriginally posted by skyline63:Rules is rules. Life don't come first. Justice come first. To died for a greater good. You call it. LIFE IS NOTHING.
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well said.Originally posted by RaTtY81:he reap wat he sow...
tt fellow eventually has to face the music.
the government HAS to impose very tough laws to ensure that the crime rates are low. we really got to thank our government and law enforcers; without them, our state won't be as safe and secure like now unlike other countries.
besides, which Singaporean would want to see drug addicts, traffickers and other lawbreakers all around the streets; and they can easily receive minimum punishment once they PLEAD (or by using other means) for lighter punishment.
we have to be responsible for our actions!
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Originally posted by vIn.Warrior:
Such reasoning is excessively pragmatic, and it is excessive pragmatism tt is killing our country bit by bit.
well said.
tt fellow eventually has to face the music.
the government HAS to impose [b]very tough laws to ensure that the crime rates are low. we really got to thank our government and law enforcers; without them, our state won't be as safe and secure like now unlike other countries.
besides, which Singaporean would want to see drug addicts, traffickers and other lawbreakers all around the streets; and they can easily receive minimum punishment once they PLEAD (or by using other means) for lighter punishment.
we have to be responsible for our actions!
isn't it?[/b]
You exaggerate the situation too much by manipulating emotional appeal. Remember tt all these lawbreakers are people too; and if we want a gracious society, we need to accept and forgive these people too, give them a second chance. Grace draws no boundaries; if it does, it's fake.
*sigh* With thoughtless pple like you and dragg around, how are we ever going to build a truely inclusive, gracious society?
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If they don't resort to drug-trafficking, they resort to toehr means which are just as bad, such as armed robbery, or assault. Don't try and use a quantitative argument to justify your stand, because statistics are irrelevant.Originally posted by dragg:is he the only one in dire straits? there are many out there!! but how many resort to drug trafficking? no reason is good enough to justify drug trafficking. -
