Singaporeans are treated like kids or fools......
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It is mind boggling why the govt keeps acting like a fatherly figure looking after Singaporeans like kids or like fools who do not know how to look after themselves. Just because a compulsive gambler jumped to his death in Tampinines, they generalised that every gamblers will do the same. The Tampinines case might be just an isolated case. Any like minded Singaporeans will know gambling is bad and unproductive and the govt needs not have to impose that $100 or other restrictions to stop any Singaporeans to enter any casino. The whole world is laughing at Singapore for behaving in such pathetic manner in setting up a casino, even islamic Malaysia did not have that outcry when they set up a casino in Genting years ago. Singapore must be bold enough to step forward and catch up with the world and not wasting time on those petty issues as no other countries in the world have gone to such pathetic extent or take such pathetic measures to restrict its citizen from doing what they wanted to do with their hard earned money.
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Scrap entrance fee.Feel humiliated not able to enter your country bloody casino.
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And have a huge outcry?Originally posted by highway69:Scrap entrance fee.Feel humiliated not able to enter your country bloody casino.
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Genting is not easily accessible as it is high up in the mountains. malays/muslims are banned from casinos. all other malaysians have to pay deposit upon entry. hence it is not right to compare them to ours .Originally posted by Heartlander:It is mind boggling why the govt keeps acting like a fatherly figure looking after Singaporeans like kids or like fools who do not know how to look after themselves. Just because a compulsive gambler jumped to his death in Tampinines, they generalised that every gamblers will do the same. The Tampinines case might be just an isolated case. Any like minded Singaporeans will know gambling is bad and unproductive and the govt needs not have to impose that $100 or other restrictions to stop any Singaporeans to enter any casino. The whole world is laughing at Singapore for behaving in such pathetic manner in setting up a casino, even islamic Malaysia did not have that outcry when they set up a casino in Genting years ago. Singapore must be bold enough to step forward and catch up with the world and not wasting time on those petty issues as no other countries in the world have gone to such pathetic extent and taking such pathetic measures to bar its citizens from going to have a peeps at what the hell is going on in the dream world casino.
if the govt make entrance free-for-all most singaporeans will complain. you belong to the minority as far as this issue is concerned. -
Go Genting bloody casino thenOriginally posted by highway69:Scrap entrance fee.Feel humiliated not able to enter your country bloody casino. -
humiliated because you are not able to enter the casinoOriginally posted by highway69:Scrap entrance fee.Feel humiliated not able to enter your country bloody casino.
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humiliated because you cannot afford the $100 ???? -
I like your question. Thats what I was wondering too.Originally posted by dragg:humiliated because you are not able to enter the casino
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humiliated because you cannot afford the $100 ???? -
Just like to add. If you are old enough, they also try to resist entry by making you wear their batik shirt.Originally posted by dragg:Genting is not easily accessible as it is high up in the mountains. malays/muslims are banned from casinos. all other malaysians have to pay deposit upon entry. hence it is not right to compare them to ours .
if the govt make entrance free-for-all most singaporeans will complain. you belong to the minority as far as this issue is concerned.
My advice to those who call for scrapping the entrance fees to Casino: No money don't follow people go to Casino. Its not your game.
Through this thread, it is now obvious that the entrance fee is absolutely needed to deter the poor (poor in financial, spirit and will) who are the potential creator of social problem. -
Sentosa has once charged an exorbitant entry fees and even those well off locals find it expensive to visit Sentosa. Eventually they lower it to some level but most Singaporeans, poor or wealthy already have that expensive charges built into their mind set. Many just did not want to go there and prefer to spend the money visiting Malaysia.
Malaysia has happily louded the building of the $100 entry fee casino in Singapore. They said it will certaintly promoting tourism in the region and in fact they read the minds of most lower salaried Singaporeans, who will rather spend the RM230 entry fees visiting Genting for at least a night and still can have some fun there! Many Singaporeans have in fact, taken a free cruise-to-nowhere to gamble in the cruise ship every night, they will not go to the $100 entry fee Casino on the mainland! -
so let all those who wants to go to genting continue to do so. what is the point of whining about the entrance fee when the tender has not even begun. details are not even available.Originally posted by Heartlander:Sentosa has once charged an exorbitant entry fees and even those well off locals find it expensive to visit Sentosa. Eventually they lower it to some level but most Singaporeans, poor or wealthy already have that expensive charges built into their mind set. Many just did not want to go there and prefer to spend the money visiting Malaysia.
Malaysia has happily louded the building of the $100 entry fee casino in Singapore. They said it will certaintly promoting tourism in the region and in fact they read the minds of most lower salaried Singaporeans, who will rather spend the RM230 entry fees visiting Genting for at least a night and still can have some fun there! Many Singaporeans have in fact, taken a free cruise-to-nowhere to gamble in the cruise ship every night, they will not go to the $100 entry fee Casino on the mainland!
btw i am sure malaysia and genting do not share the same sentiments. -
VIEWS ON CASINO DEBATES:
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The figure 35,000 jobs predicted to be created by casino is doubtful. Read the reasons given below:-
The debate has not been presented objectively with proper evaluation of both pro- and anti- casino views. Before any studies have been made on potential job losses due to negative impacts and social problems, the government has invited casino operators to present their proposals and release the figure that 35,000 jobs will be created. Thus, the debates have missed something very critical. The debates were biased not objective or balanced.
The government should have presented the full survey results regions by regions of not just job creation but job losses due to negative impacts from casino. The social problem i.e. 2% supposed pathological gamblers given by the ministers appears under-stated.
Many existing casinos in UK were not doing well and have to be upgraded or regrouped to make them viable. Has the government considered this fact? It was revealed unwittingly by the ministers that the existing pathological gamblers were already 2 %. Once the casinos were set up, by proximity factor, surely the pathological gamblers will be higher or much higher than 2 % lah. Has the minister Dr. V considered told the complete fact?
The onus is on the government making the decision to build casino to prove its case to build casinos. The worse decision has been made with people being asked to try it out to see what happens. Such an attitude verges on downright irresponsible - 72,000 lives in danger of being destroyed !!!
We have not evaluated on potential job losses due to negative impacts of casinos and yet, we jump to the conclusion that casino will create 35,000 jobs. The negative impacts, include business bankruptcies etc due to addictions in gambling over say 5 years. For all anyone knows, casino may lose its attraction after a while as tourists decide that our casinos are stale not that attractive after all. There is also the question of how many jobs will go to the locals.
Many people have asked: is the government running out of ideas how to run the economy? Clearly, it desperately needs an economic master planner or plan to show how it will create a more competitive economy. Such a master plan can be used to show how casino coupled with our excellent location advantages (as compared with other casinos) to stimulate overall economic growth.
I cannot see integration to tourism in passing as an economic master plan at all. Without a total master plan to integrate casino to all major business sectors or show our economic direction or strategy, how can the MM claim in parliament : "without casino, our economy will be worse off"? Such utterances were obviously without basis.
A belief that a casino will benefit Singapore economy is only a belief. The government should substantiate the decision with facts from objective and balanced study not just beliefs or assumptions. Since it was not substantiated objectively, with proper facts, the casino decision will remain a poor decision - 35,000 jobs will be created without quantifying long-term potential job losses and social problems. -
Vote other party loh.
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It had always been.Originally posted by Heartlander:It is mind boggling why the govt keeps acting like a fatherly figure looking after Singaporeans like kids or like fools who do not know how to look after themselves. Just because a compulsive gambler jumped to his death in Tampinines, they generalised that every gamblers will do the same. The Tampinines case might be just an isolated case. Any like minded Singaporeans will know gambling is bad and unproductive and the govt needs not have to impose that $100 or other restrictions to stop any Singaporeans to enter any casino. The whole world is laughing at Singapore for behaving in such pathetic manner in setting up a casino, even islamic Malaysia did not have that outcry when they set up a casino in Genting years ago. Singapore must be bold enough to step forward and catch up with the world and not wasting time on those petty issues as no other countries in the world have gone to such pathetic extent and taking such pathetic measures to bar its citizens from going to have a peeps at what the hell is going on in the dream world casino.
The government had let success into their head.
And many sporeans basically do not have their own mind
following everything their government said is correct. -
They always have been succussful. we are not like Korea, China or indonesia. Talk Aloud! Everyone in here just sit at home and keep quiet, wait someone (Our Hero) to stand to talk Aloud and fight fo fairness!!Originally posted by NuLife:It had always been.
The government had let success into their head.
And many sporeans basically do not have their own mind
following everything their government said is correct. -
why do you use the word 'their'?Originally posted by NuLife:It had always been.
The government had let success into their head.
And many sporeans basically do not have their own mind
following everything their government said is correct.
if you are not a singaporean then STFU!! -
Pease lah.It is not about the money.Why should we pay for something that is built on our own soil whereas the foreigners get in for free.GET IT?Originally posted by dragg:humiliated because you are not able to enter the casino
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humiliated because you cannot afford the $100 ???? -
That's because a lot of Singaporeans like to be treated like kids
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Yeah.Why don't all of us strike, have riots juz like other countries.Obviously then you will say no.Originally posted by elindra:That's because a lot of Singaporeans like to be treated like kids -
If Singaporean know how to take care of their money. They will not go into 4D and TOTO loh. All gamble there ! See NTUC jackpot ? How much dollars going to them to support NTUC CLUB ?
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anyway some of the clubs are not that crowded anymore. most people already lost all their savings and cpf!!!
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The government has been accumulating surpluses for most of the years even during recessions at the rate of S$2.0 billions per annuum.Originally posted by elindra:That's because a lot of Singaporeans like to be treated like kids
Surely, before any departments or ministries ask for any fee increases the heads of departments or ministers can check with the Auditor General Mr. Chuan Kwong Yong whether the surpluses from national budget can be utilized to help out any particular shortfalls within any particular department.
If this cannot be done because like ex-President Ong Teng Cheong's case, civil servants cannot give figures of surpluses or asset values, the PM can use some of the extraordinary surpluses at statutory boards and GLCs to foot the shortfall.
The government is dragging its feet now not to use government surpluses to cover pocket shortfalls existing within certain departments and want all of them to make monies or surpluses.
This kind of creative accounting is wrong, anti-social and inequitable. No wonder the government is getting richer and people are getting poor and economy cannot grow.
If government has got talents and leadership, let them tell the voters whether this kind of creative accounting is correct or good corporate governance in the next election. -
Originally posted by robertteh:
where did you get such information?
[b]The government has been accumulating surpluses for most of the years even during recessions at the rate of S$2.0 billions per annuum.
Surely, before any departments or ministries ask for any fee increases the heads of departments or ministers can check with the Auditor General Mr. Chuan Kwong Yong whether the surpluses from national budget can be utilized to help out any particular shortfalls within any particular department.
If this cannot be done because like ex-President Ong Teng Cheong's case, civil servants cannot give figures of surpluses or asset values, the PM can use some of the extraordinary surpluses at statutory boards and GLCs to foot the shortfall.
The government is dragging its feet now not to use government surpluses to cover pocket shortfalls existing within certain departments and want all of them to make monies or surpluses.
This kind of creative accounting is wrong, anti-social and inequitable. No wonder the government is getting richer and people are getting poor and economy cannot grow.
If government has got talents and leadership, let them tell the voters whether this kind of creative accounting is correct or good corporate governance in the next election. [/b] -
HDB/JTC and statutory boards have accumulated S$14 billions over the last 10 years of so. Monies made by HDB through land acquisition (using Land Acquisition Act) were transferred to the consolidated fund and lands sold back to HDB at market price.Originally posted by dragg:where did you get such information?
HDB then raises the price of flat above the original acquisition costs plus construction costs. Land acquisition costs were already paid by taxpayers using public funds. This kind of charging for land or flat is double taxation as people have already paid for the land once under their taxes.
The government has been chalking up budget surpluses during the last two recessions. The surplus amounts vary around S$2 billion before giving of election-time goodies or interim upgrading.
Decide for yourself whether government is over-taxing people and it is justifiable to continue to increase town council, utilities and transportation costs. -
sorry. i dont find your answer in your reply.
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The annual government official budget surpluses were released in annual budgets. The off-budget surpluses accumulated by HDB and other statutory boards (S$14 billions over the past 10 years or so) were published in the ST and other papers in 2002.Originally posted by dragg:sorry. i dont find your answer in your reply.
Read the archives of these newspapers on news concerning off-budget surpluses made by HDB, JTC and statutory boards during all these years and the recession years.
It is a good corporate governance to report facts on surpluses and off-budget surpluses without people's having to speculate or get them from the grapevines. [b]
[b]If the government reported that HDB flats were sold at subsidies, such information should be open, accountable, accurate and complete.
If the HDB acquired lands at low costs under the Land Acquisition Act and lands were transferred to the state and profits collected in the consolidated accounts can such profits be excluded from the computation of alleged HDB flat subsidies.
Is it legal or correct for the government to sell the lands back to HDB at market prices and then claim that the flats were subsidised ignoring the first profits already made by the state?
Is this the correct accounting practice to arrive at officiel data on flat subsidies or give information on budget surpluses without considering huge off-budget surpluses of S$14 billions. Monies made by the government whether in the form of regular or off-budget surpluses must still be accounted for to the people before any raising of taxes or fees for utilities or town council service and conservancy charges.
It is not correct to keep profits or surpluses from land transactions in off-budget surpluses or somewhere else. Whose fault is it if people cannot get the information officially and have to give their own estimates.
Government should report facts accurately and objectively in officiial statistics not to keep them hidden somewhere because such actions might result in over-taxing and jacking up the costs of living.
Now after all these experiences and the high costs of living and doing business, the people have every right to question the accounting practice and all information on government fees, basis of computation and reported surpluses. The government should abandon the undesirable creative accounting practices and give true figures of surpluses not one part official and one part off-budget and hidden.
How to present national budget and accounts in more accountable manner and conduct good corporate governance is the number one problem now.