what you all think about scholarships?
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personally, u can say i am jealous or loser..watever you feel like it..but i think, our govt is spending too much money on scholars with good academic results, w/o even determing their character or attitude.. true that having excellent straights As, mainintaining a near perfect score is a proof of how well you do in school, but so what? jus because they buried themselves in books everyday, anytime,..and then the govt spend money on them to further their studies, come back and secure better jobs with higher pay...
pp like me, ordinary grad, jus have to sit back n "serve" theses scholars, some of which are worse than me...they only know how to follow the book, but inflexible in alot of ways..worse, some of their attitude are " look you down" attitude...
When you are in NSF, also the same..scholars one side, non-scholars another batch...they become generals if they sign on, while local grad just have to suck thumb, become LTC and retire at 42...
coporate ladder also the same...govt sector is the hell worse system for this biased system...sigh....
indeed there are true scholars, good in almost every way, but i think more are on the bad side...study freak but useless in actual hands on.. jus because they have a cert from some ang mo universities...tmd -
Too late. Singapore is doom. Property market dying. Construction dying. Production dying. Bio-science dying. Tourism dying. What new ? Left a few jobs around. TAXI DRIVER. Cleaner, Even security guard want young man for jobs. Shopping centres hiring young girls are cheap rate of $600 per month. Singaporean !
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This is the Singapore system of meritocracy.. to stratify people according to school performance. If one didn't shine in school, that's it... as far as the govt service is concerned. He can live the rest of his life in regret for not having studied harder. He can slog 10 times harder than the President's scholar for all the govt cares.. and forget about being part of the Elite.
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Leave Singapore. There are foreign companies who will appreciate people like you.
Yes, it will be hard to nail the job u want outside of S'pore, but believe me, there are CEOs who like graduates who like to learn, have drive and have intelligent curiousity.
You don't need straight A grades- but what u need is intelligence, determination, resilience and some leadership. They appreciate an all-rounded person. -
Scholarship interviews should be more stringent. There must be a psychology test for those who have done the interview. Only those who passed this test will be considered for the PSC scholarship. If not, we will be having people like that jerk who wrote racist remarks on his blog in the civil service.
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There already is a whole battery of psychological tests for potential PSC scholars.. but the validity of such tests in predicting a person's character is highly debatable.Originally posted by iveco:Scholarship interviews should be more stringent. There must be a psychology test for those who have done the interview. Only those who passed this test will be considered for the PSC scholarship. If not, we will be having people like that jerk who wrote racist remarks on his blog in the civil service. -
personally im not one to believe in it. nowadays it hardly qualifies as a scholarship, especially govt issued ones. instead it should be more accurately called a sponsership.
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PSC? ahahahah. I have a thing against PSC scholars.Originally posted by cornyfish2000:There already is a whole battery of psychological tests for potential PSC scholars.. but the validity of such tests in predicting a person's character is highly debatable. -
Well this is another sad news. There is a similar thread with our people complaint.
http://www.sgforums.com/?action=thread_display&thread_id=128640
Aiyah...these scholarship give to these Intelligent ppl ,they are rich too. Sometime they really dont need the $$$$$. Why give them? Give to the poor and needy who want 2 study, but those cannot afford!!!! Really Unfair! -
Actually not all scholarship recipients are rich.. some are, but there are also others who won't be able to afford a tertiery education, much less one overseas without the scholarship.Originally posted by Meilin86:Well this is another sad news. There is a similar thread with our people complaint.
http://www.sgforums.com/?action=thread_display&thread_id=128640
Aiyah...these scholarship give to these Intelligent ppl ,they are rich too. Sometime they really dont need the $$$$$. Why give them? Give to the poor and needy who want 2 study, but those cannot afford!!!! Really Unfair!
The main idea of giving scholarships is to recruit the best students to work for the organization, rather than to help needy students pay their fees.. there are bursaries around for the latter (which are different altogether from the scholarships). -
I really dun understand the mentaility of sporean..they always think pp graduated from overseas(drink ang mo water) is smarter than those in locals. No offence to anyone here..
Those so call psycho tests, are debatable one..like the lie test that CIA came up with? Well, it has been proven that pp can still lie their way thru...
so much so for these psyho test..
but to point out, not all rich pp get these scholarship..Some really average background but smart in brain..
We always associate rich getting scholarship becos of their KS parents. From young, go good kindergarden or boarding school..then tuition pack whole week...then everyhing must learn...
so naturally, theses yuppie becomes smart......... 
Am i leading to the educational system in spore? 
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Well i think it is pretty sad that the government is sending all its top scholars overseas rather than to our local universities. It's a silent admission on the govt's part that the Singapore universities are still not good enough for these top scholars.Originally posted by darknessfall:I really dun understand the mentaility of sporean..they always think pp graduated from overseas(drink ang mo water) is smarter than those in locals. No offence to anyone here.. -
its the same in the private sector what...
so called "management trainee" programs... fresh grad with good honours, apply, get it and get put through a 2 yr training program / rotation and your first real appointment after that is a managerial position and a ticket to senior management...
who's to say that some of them really haven't got the brains or the exposure to do the job??? i've personally worked with a few before... some of them are quite sharp... they learn fast and they are able to come up with good ideas to solve problems, but it really shows that they are wanting in both work and life experience...
they're unfamiliar with the finer points of operations and procedures and they absolutely dunno how to manage their pple.
bottom line? life isn't fair. but whats the use of complaining? -
kinda agree... but not easy to get the job...Originally posted by timothytsgsg:Leave Singapore. There are foreign companies who will appreciate people like you.
Yes, it will be hard to nail the job u want outside of S'pore, but believe me, there are CEOs who like graduates who like to learn, have drive and have intelligent curiousity.
You don't need straight A grades- but what u need is intelligence, determination, resilience and some leadership. They appreciate an all-rounded person. -
It's real sad that the type of meritocracy that is so entrenched here is based mainly on academic grades and not on one's capabilities.
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The worst are those teacher scholars...teachers are bad enough for their lack of delication to the education of our youth...but these teaching scholars have such an easy ticket to success in the ministry. Should scrap these rubbish from the civil service altogether
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You are still alive? Haven't you been banned?Originally posted by JusticeLegal:The worst are those teacher scholars...teachers are bad enough for their lack of delication to the education of our youth...but these teaching scholars have such an easy ticket to success in the ministry. Should scrap these rubbish from the civil service altogether -
well, not all scholars become generals... in fact many dun.... on the other hand farmers also can become general.... it is all about right time, place...Originally posted by darknessfall:When you are in NSF, also the same..scholars one side, non-scholars another batch...they become generals if they sign on, while local grad just have to suck thumb, become LTC and retire at 42... -
i disagree that local uni are good enough for them. I would rather think that they are sent overseas all over the globe to tap into global education... how to communicate with foreigners & understanding their cultures.Originally posted by cornyfish2000:Well i think it is pretty sad that the government is sending all its top scholars overseas rather than to our local universities. It's a silent admission on the govt's part that the Singapore universities are still not good enough for these top scholars.
I have studied locally & overseas... dun think the standards are that significant... -
well, that is probably the first cut.... ever heard of strike one & u r out? using the funnel theory.... the pool of "scholars" will be filtered down to one that always meet expectations. But that might also bring the question if the supreme scholar could take a defeat when the time comes.... or maybe he/she becomes conservative the higher he/she climbs or becomes complacent???Originally posted by pearlie27:It's real sad that the type of meritocracy that is so entrenched here is based mainly on academic grades and not on one's capabilities.
I for one would just pick the person with the right altitude... -
MAN OF HONOUROriginally posted by pearlie27:It's real sad that the type of meritocracy that is so entrenched here is based mainly on academic grades and not on one's capabilities.
Man has the choice,
To live the life of an Entrepreneur,
Creating jobs or prosperity,
Be an inventor, discoverer, or philosopher
To bring honour to himself and his country,
In the red dot, the man of honour the true man
Is the mandarin, the scholar, or talent,
One who scores the straight Aces,
And he will be revered as true leader
And the ultimate man of honour,
Even as he lives as a lump of flesh,
Even as he lives only by his grades or paper,
No matter how devoid is the excellence,
His paper aces will forever precede over results and performance
Conquest of deep oceans, Transcendance of blue sky,
Wisdoms, service to countrymen or deeds of honour,
Do not matter as scholar is the tool to political ascendence.
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Psychology test for the interviewer as well.Originally posted by iveco:Scholarship interviews should be more stringent. There must be a psychology test for those who have done the interview. Only those who passed this test will be considered for the PSC scholarship. If not, we will be having people like that jerk who wrote racist remarks on his blog in the civil service. -
U always need money if ur finding a job overseas and also u need to show the right type of attitude. In S'pore, go-thru-the-motions attitude can help u retain ur job, but outside, u need to display the drive and desire if u wanna continue to keep ur job and get promoted.Originally posted by BrUtUs:kinda agree... but not easy to get the job...
Consistent strong work-rate is needed overseas. -
They are the PAP babies, so I don't think the PAP will expose them to defeat yet. But I'd bet if they face defeat, they won't know how to face it and take it on the chin.Originally posted by hmsg:well, that is probably the first cut.... ever heard of strike one & u r out? using the funnel theory.... the pool of "scholars" will be filtered down to one that always meet expectations. But that might also bring the question if the supreme scholar could take a defeat when the time comes.... or maybe he/she becomes conservative the higher he/she climbs or becomes complacent???
I for one would just pick the person with the right altitude... -
farmers becoming general???Originally posted by hmsg:well, not all scholars become generals... in fact many dun.... on the other hand farmers also can become general.... it is all about right time, place... 
Halooooww....we are in the context of singapore..not china or viet k... and in this new age generation, no paper qualifications means no general for you! omg..wat are you thinking about?
Anyway, thats beside the point. Damn...i just went thru one round of screening in my company..first damn thing they ask, which class of honours are you? Then, see my resume...oh..from NUS. Best thing " I dun see that you are getting alot of As in your subjects"
What the fish....what has my grades to do with my work? Do they mean that just because they are some scholars from elsewhere, they expect everyone to be the same as them? I hate the system in Singapore, but what can we do? Even the PAPs are scholars...
You cant go and complain to them about scholars! hahaha