Are employees getting fussier nowadays?
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it boils down to poor interview skills.
do you speak proper english with the correct grammer?
are you able to hold a conversation with complete english sentences? (intellectual please)
did you groom yourself for the interview?
did you keep eye contact with the interviewers?
you may have the looks but you may be lacking the 'x' factor. -
Can I enquire what degree do you possess and from which university ? Not all degrees are the same. What sort of jobs are you applying as well ?
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Here's one qn for all you interviewers out there: What amount of eye-contact should one keep? I would like to look open and interested, w/o looking like i'm staring. Should i go for 70% eye contact? Or would 50% suffice?Originally posted by Deportivo:it boils down to poor interview skills.
do you speak proper english with the correct grammer?
are you able to hold a conversation with complete english sentences? (intellectual please)
did you groom yourself for the interview?
did you keep eye contact with the interviewers?
you may have the looks but you may be lacking the 'x' factor.
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do you really believe in this? i think it is all crap!!!Originally posted by Deportivo:it boils down to poor interview skills.
do you speak proper english with the correct grammer?
are you able to hold a conversation with complete english sentences? (intellectual please)
did you groom yourself for the interview?
did you keep eye contact with the interviewers?
you may have the looks but you may be lacking the 'x' factor. -
there is no set amount. but the point of keeping eye contact isOriginally posted by lwflee:Here's one qn for all you interviewers out there: What amount of eye-contact should one keep? I would like to look open and interested, w/o looking like i'm staring. Should i go for 70% eye contact? Or would 50% suffice?
1) to show that you are interested.
2) to show your emotions. basically. you can tell if someone is lying, or not, just by the gaze in his/her eyes.
if you can "speak" with your eyes, you may have already landed half the job. -
to each his own.Originally posted by dragg:do you really believe in this? i think it is all crap!!! -
the points you mentioned are all textbook stuffs.Originally posted by Deportivo:to each his own. -
unfortunately, majority of the interviewees do not bother to consider them.Originally posted by dragg:the points you mentioned are all textbook stuffs.
there is a reason why they are listed in "textbooks". go figure. -
Well, I don't agree that all employees are fussy. I got a cousin who is ITE graduated went for an interview for salesgirl in a departmental store, working 6 days a week (no weekend off), 12 hrs a day, asking for only $850/mth. Result was, she was not selected.Originally posted by elindra:Well I don't think employers are getting fussier, but it is the employees who are fussy. A lot of graduates think that some work is too lowly for them to do even if it requires them to be hands on.
They want to pick on location, have a nice office etc and some don't even notify you that they have gotten a job and is not coming down for the interview!!
They don't think about what they can contribute for the company but what the company can give them and they get unhappy when someone who performs better is given the promotion though they are around longer.
Just the other side of the coin
On the subsequent month, we went to that particular deparmental store for shopping. All the salesgirl are from Philiphines. The supervisors are Malaysians, only the Manager is local.
So where are the foreign talents? Salesgirls also consider foreign talents? -
so all those who landed the jobs got it because they follow those points you mentioned?Originally posted by Deportivo:unfortunately, majority of the interviewees do not bother to consider them.
there is a reason why they are listed in "textbooks". go figure. -
a departmental store do not need ITE grads. chances are your cousin will quit when a better job comes along. i think this is one of the considerations of the HR people.Originally posted by Agressor:Well, I don't agree that all employees are fussy. I got a cousin who is ITE graduated went for an interview for salesgirl in a departmental store, working 6 days a week (no weekend off), 12 hrs a day, asking for only $850/mth. Result was, she was not selected.
On the subsequent month, we went to that particular deparmental store for shopping. All the salesgirl are from Philiphines. The supervisors are Malaysians, only the Manager is local.
So where are the foreign talents? Salesgirls also consider foreign talents? -
my company, yes.Originally posted by dragg:so all those who landed the jobs got it because they follow those points you mentioned?
and that is on top of the qualifications that we are looking for. -
then i must say your company's recruitment culture is rather conventional.Originally posted by Deportivo:my company, yes.
and that is on top of the qualifications that we are looking for. -
Gosh, is the Singapore labor pool that bad? I am beginning to be persuaded by the "its not the company, its the interviewees" school of thought...The things you have mentioned are fairly basic.Originally posted by Deportivo:my company, yes.
and that is on top of the qualifications that we are looking for. -
because we know what we are looking for.Originally posted by dragg:then i must say your company's recruitment culture is rather conventional. -
dont be misled. it is now the employers's market.Originally posted by lwflee:Gosh, is the Singapore labor pool that bad? I am beginning to be persuaded by the "its not the company, its the interviewees" school of thought...The things you have mentioned are fairly basic.
my friend went for an interview and the interviewer asked him
'how many rings are there in the olympics logo?'
'what is the colour of each ring?'
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She fully understood that. But she had tried applying jobs as technicians, where the requirement is ITE grads, but ultimately the jobs landed to Poly grads. She was jobhunting for 7 months and needed a job badly. Therefore she downgraded herself to look for a salesgirl job.Originally posted by dragg:a departmental store do not need ITE grads. chances are your cousin will quit when a better job comes along. i think this is one of the considerations of the HR people.
Now she is working as a chamber maid in a hotel. You think a chamber maid need to be ITE grad?
My point is that the government should not lead in pointing fingers to job seekers as fussy ignorant group of people when the unemployent rate climbs.
The fact is THERE ARE STILL A LOT OF PEOPLE OUT THERE WHO ARE NOT FUSSY BUT STILL COULD NOT FIND A JOB. -
based on the criteria of good communication skills, you can almost slash off 75% of the potential candidates.Originally posted by lwflee:Gosh, is the Singapore labor pool that bad? I am beginning to be persuaded by the "its not the company, its the interviewees" school of thought...The things you have mentioned are fairly basic.
it is almost impossible to groom someone to assume leadership/management positions if they cannot even negotiate with potential clients with proper english. -
in another sense, we pay people with what they deserved to be paid. A fresh grad that joins us can easily bring home 2.6k.Originally posted by dragg:then i must say your company's recruitment culture is rather conventional.
but we do not compromise on the quality of the people we accept. -
it is indeed sad but true. the service industry need people so badly that they will take anyone. why dont you advise your cousin to take up a sales co-ordinator job. it certainly beats being a chambermaid!!Originally posted by Agressor:She fully understood that. But she had tried applying jobs as technicians, where the requirement is ITE grads, but ultimately the jobs landed to Poly grads. She was jobhunting for 7 months and needed a job badly. Therefore she downgraded herself to look for a salesgirl job.
Now she is working as a chamber maid in a hotel. You think a chamber maid need to be ITE grad?
My point is that the government should not lead in pointing fingers to job seekers as fussy ignorant group of people when the unemployent rate climbs.
The fact is THERE ARE STILL A LOT OF PEOPLE OUT THERE WHO ARE NOT FUSSY BUT STILL COULD NOT FIND A JOB. -
Actually I agree with you on this.Originally posted by Deportivo:based on the criteria of good communication skills, you can almost slash off 75% of the potential candidates.
it is almost impossible to groom someone to assume leadership/management positions if they cannot even negotiate with potential clients with proper english.
It is so important to be able to communicate properly and it is extremely shocking that alot of graduates cannot even draft out a basic letter! -
Aaah - That was what i wanted to explore. Imo, that is just silly. Are they trying to experiment in psychology?Originally posted by dragg:dont be misled. it is now the employers's market.
my friend went for an interview and the interviewer asked him
'how many rings are there in the olympics logo?'
'what is the colour of each ring?'
can you believe it?
That is why i said Singapore's system is generally unsophisticated! What exactly is tested through the fielding of such qns? So what if the interviewees know the answer? Conversly, so what if the interviewee doesn't know?
They are better off asking interviewees to describe a basketball to an alien. That at least would help gauge the interviewee's comm skills.
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then again companies like yours are few and far between!!Originally posted by Deportivo:in another sense, we pay people with what they deserved to be paid. A fresh grad that joins us can easily bring home 2.6k.
but we do not compromise on the quality of the people we accept. -
Thank you for your sound advice.Originally posted by dragg:it is indeed sad but true. the service industry need people so badly that they will take anyone. why dont you advise your cousin to take up a sales co-ordinator job. it certainly beats being a chambermaid!!
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She could join the Army. Its not as tough as its made out to be, and the pay isn't half bad.Originally posted by Agressor:She fully understood that. But she had tried applying jobs as technicians, where the requirement is ITE grads, but ultimately the jobs landed to Poly grads. She was jobhunting for 7 months and needed a job badly. Therefore she downgraded herself to look for a salesgirl job.
Now she is working as a chamber maid in a hotel. You think a chamber maid need to be ITE grad?
My point is that the government should not lead in pointing fingers to job seekers as fussy ignorant group of people when the unemployent rate climbs.
The fact is THERE ARE STILL A LOT OF PEOPLE OUT THERE WHO ARE NOT FUSSY BUT STILL COULD NOT FIND A JOB.