More children admitted with mental illness....poor thing
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It can't get any worse can it?Sometimes a different way of doing things is just what we need..Originally posted by the Bear:and what makes you think the opposition have an answer?
Math these days is so different from my days...some Primary 3 questions got me stumped as I was tutoring once..
But IMHO, the Geography and Social Studies thingy is easier now..I did the full Geography subject for my 'O's. -
have a smart kid it's ok.
if the kid is slow, then how?
you give him happy childhood by not pressurising,
and he does not have the abilities to do well in school;
later on he also suffers in life,
because he'll have no qualifications,
and will be at the bottom of the echelon.
so it will become his personal misery,
and this personal misery is largely due to the situation of the society,
so the situation is truly terrible and horrible.
and it seems that we have no way out because of our environment and system and limitations.......
tough....... -
ACtually it is a good way to tell the government that we are unable about much of the thing they do. If the governemnt got high votes, they think the whole country is behind them and they do what they want cos we support them. to give some vote to the opposition, they will then sit down to ponder why and come to realised that have to re-do certain poilcy. The country is no more 100% behind them. the last few election had seen a change in the government system but it is not enough... they have to do more or else we will go back to the old days, what they say is true and what they do is right... we got no say about everything ..Originally posted by av98m:That's besides the point. I am voting to express my disapproval of the ruling party. The ruling party likes to brainwash and induce fear in singaporeans that the country will collapse and never recover if they are voted out of power. I choose to take my chances. -
I agree. A lot of people like to complain about the government but when it comes to the polls vote for the incumbent because of some small carrot dangled in front of them. So far I've only gotten to vote at one GE. I had no idea who the opposition candidate was but voted for him anyway.Originally posted by Deportivo:talk is cheap.
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you can wreck your vote if you think the opposition is just as bad...
just go in and draw a pile of cartoon characters in there
winner: PAP - 38% vote
loser: Opposition - 22% vote
spoilt votes: - 40%
that will ring some bells.. -
As the cost of living increases with no corresponding rise in salaries, it is only natural that people want their children to transcend these obstacles. What happens is that they end up pushing them occasionally to the limit. It is a vivious cycle we are all trapped in. No surprise that more people are leaving because they have the means to do it. Who wants their children to go through the same nonsense that they went through?
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Precisely.Right now, a reality check comes before any alternative plan.The only way that we become voiceless robots is when we give up our voice, earned by our sweat and tears.Originally posted by ORIGAMIST:ACtually it is a good way to tell the government that we are unable about much of the thing they do. If the governemnt got high votes, they think the whole country is behind them and they do what they want cos we support them. to give some vote to the opposition, they will then sit down to ponder why and come to realised that have to re-do certain poilcy. The country is no more 100% behind them. the last few election had seen a change in the government system but it is not enough... they have to do more or else we will go back to the old days, what they say is true and what they do is right... we got no say about everything ..
Let them know how we feel, because a government who only answers to its own interests is eventually undeserving of its mandate.They have forgotten the first rule of democracy. -
So we must first fix the system, and the GLC driven economy has not been performing for the last decade.Originally posted by iveco:As the cost of living increases with no corresponding rise in salaries, it is only natural that people want their children to transcend these obstacles. What happens is that they end up pushing them occasionally to the limit. It is a vivious cycle we are all trapped in. No surprise that more people are leaving because they have the means to do it. Who wants their children to go through the same nonsense that they went through?
And has anyone remembered the Constitutional amendment that allowed the GIC to dip into our reserves without the express approval of the President?How many Singaporeans actually know what it meant?Hardly I'd bet..
To say that the country's interests demand such deeds is one thing, to assume that you have the last say is another bad move.Where is the populace in this whole decision-making process?Are we just a bunch of muzzled sheep?
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Chim man... but all I can say is, Singapore do what the government say. Taking the fare increase... we oppose so much the last time, then the government say raising fare is fair as their asset is so much more, the profit must be in proportion with asset. so increase fare, they were making profit mind you, only thing is they did not profit enough... this is greed I say.... then everyone quay quay and pay to travel leh .... Government is always right, even if it is wrong, they are rightfully wrong .....Originally posted by LazerLordz:So we must first fix the system, and the GLC driven economy has not been performing for the last decade.
And has anyone remembered the Constitutional amendment that allowed the GIC to dip into our reserves without the express approval of the President?How many Singaporeans actually know what it meant?Hardly I'd bet..
To say that the country's interests demand such deeds is one thing, to assume that you have the last say is another bad move.Where is the populace in this whole decision-making process?Are we just a bunch of muzzled sheep? -
We get the government we deserve. So Singaporeans have to be willing to take the risk and either vote for alternatives or spoil their votes. I say voting for the opposition sends a stronger message. And when Singaporeans show themselves willing to vote opposition politicians into parliament, the opposition parties will also find it easier to recruit highly qualified members, which will benenfit us. Either the ruling party gets its head out of the sand and takes measures to improve our lot, or they get voted out eventually and another party takes over the reins. Nobody ever said change is easy and painless.Originally posted by LazerLordz:Are we just a bunch of muzzled sheep? -
Originally posted by the Bear:so.. big question here...
are you all going to go "this is terrible.. this is horrible.."
and do nothing later in life and put your children in the pressure cooker...
or..
are you all going to make a change and allow your children an actual happy childhood?
I agree....
I have specifically NOT enrol my sons in a super school, resisted all temptation to get tutors for them, encouraged them to take up hobbies, enjoy life, listen to music, watch MTV, smell the roses, etc....
but I have also instilled on them the virtue of being responsible for their own life and chart their own course.
One of the responsibilities of parenthood is mentoring and facilitating. I think that this two aspects are largely neglected.
What's the point of pushing the kids to perform if all the parent does is to drive them from point to point?
Where's the love and friendship between the child and the adult?
Where's the understanding of what the need of a child is?
My two sons fall within the top 15% of their educational level, hardly under any form of pressure from their parents, enjoy life to the limits, laugh at the jokes of Homer Simpson, recognize as peer leaders within their classes, all done without outside help.
The “wang4 zhi3 cheng2 long2” syndrome is a very dangerous thing if the parent is not realistic. By and large, the huge amount of “education” and “enrichment” courses available in private schools appeal only to the vanity of the parent – in wanting them to aspire for their children to be child-prodigies. Just the title of some of them disturbs me, those that go like: “I am a genius, so are you” type… -
So..what gives them the right to be Right?Just because they did some miracles in the 60s and 70s?Past glories do not count..if you cant find a way,let others do the job.There is no such thing as a monopoly of ideas.Originally posted by ORIGAMIST:Chim man... but all I can say is, Singapore do what the government say. Taking the fare increase... we oppose so much the last time, then the government say raising fare is fair as their asset is so much more, the profit must be in proportion with asset. so increase fare, they were making profit mind you, only thing is they did not profit enough... this is greed I say.... then everyone quay quay and pay to travel leh .... Government is always right, even if it is wrong, they are rightfully wrong ..... -
Indeed.Originally posted by Chin Eng:
I agree....
I have specifically NOT enrol my sons in a super school, resisted all temptation to get tutors for them, encouraged them to take up hobbies, enjoy life, listen to music, watch MTV, smell the roses, etc....
but I have also instilled on them the virtue of being responsible for their own life and chart their own course.
One of the responsibilities of parenthood is mentoring and facilitating. I think that this two aspects are largely neglected.
What's the point of pushing the kids to perform if all the parent does is to drive them from point to point?
Where's the love and friendship between the child and the adult?
Where's the understanding of what the need of a child is?
My two sons fall within the top 15% of their educational level, hardly under any form of pressure from their parents, enjoy life to the limits, laugh at the jokes of Homer Simpson, recognize as peer leaders within their classes, all done without outside help.
The “wang4 zhi3 cheng2 long2” syndrome is a very dangerous thing if the parent is not realistic. By and large, the huge amount of “education” and “enrichment” courses available in private schools appeal only to the vanity of the parent – in wanting them to aspire for their children to be child-prodigies. Just the title of some of them disturbs me, those that go like: “I am a genius, so are you” type…
Enjoy themselves and pursue their own dreams.. -
you know I know, but do they know ?? remenber, they are always right ....Originally posted by LazerLordz:So..what gives them the right to be Right?Just because they did some miracles in the 60s and 70s?Past glories do not count..if you cant find a way,let others do the job.There is no such thing as a monopoly of ideas. -
Their time is up. They have outlived their usefulness. Time to make way for a new party that can hopefully revitalise us.Originally posted by LazerLordz:So..what gives them the right to be Right?Just because they did some miracles in the 60s and 70s?Past glories do not count..if you cant find a way,let others do the job.There is no such thing as a monopoly of ideas. -
It is so strange that a discussion on children getting mental illness is becoming a government issue...
Pragmatically speaking, if we are heads of our own household, would we want to improve our condition of living?
Children with mental illness have very little to do with our Maths syllabus (which I hated in the beginning, but love it now - cos I understand), or tweaking of the education system (everybody tweaks a system, not that I agree with the tweaking), or the pressure schools give (like I don't have pressure at work). It's about coping, and how the parent can facilitate the child on how to cope with changes and pressure (read "Who Move My Cheese).
Don't blame the environment for one's failures, blame one's failure to cope with changes for one's failure in life.
The only constant in life is change. -
It is because these kids are not given a helping hand to adapt to the rapid pace of change that drives them up the wall.Originally posted by Chin Eng:It is so strange that a discussion on children getting mental illness is becoming a government issue...
Pragmatically speaking, if we are heads of our own household, would we want to improve our condition of living?
Children with mental illness have very little to do with our Maths syllabus (which I hated in the beginning, but love it now - cos I understand), or tweaking of the education system (everybody tweaks a system, not that I agree with the tweaking), or the pressure schools give (like I don't have pressure at work). It's about coping, and how the parent can facilitate the child on how to cope with changes and pressure (read "Who Move My Cheese).
Don't blame the environment for one's failures, blame one's failure to cope with changes for one's failure in life.
The only constant in life is change.
There are many young people with hidden talents but are unable to develop them because their parents see no future in doing so. Just look at our sportsmen, for example. All graduates from the sports school have to be straight A students besides being good athletes. It is too difficult to juggle both things at the same time yet maintain consistent performances in all areas. -
the key in your case here is that they are among the top 15%.Originally posted by Chin Eng:
I agree....
I have specifically NOT enrol my sons in a super school, resisted all temptation to get tutors for them, encouraged them to take up hobbies, enjoy life, listen to music, watch MTV, smell the roses, etc....
but I have also instilled on them the virtue of being responsible for their own life and chart their own course.
One of the responsibilities of parenthood is mentoring and facilitating. I think that this two aspects are largely neglected.
What's the point of pushing the kids to perform if all the parent does is to drive them from point to point?
Where's the love and friendship between the child and the adult?
Where's the understanding of what the need of a child is?
My two sons fall within the top 15% of their educational level, hardly under any form of pressure from their parents, enjoy life to the limits, laugh at the jokes of Homer Simpson, recognize as peer leaders within their classes, all done without outside help.
The “wang4 zhi3 cheng2 long2” syndrome is a very dangerous thing if the parent is not realistic. By and large, the huge amount of “education” and “enrichment” courses available in private schools appeal only to the vanity of the parent – in wanting them to aspire for their children to be child-prodigies. Just the title of some of them disturbs me, those that go like: “I am a genius, so are you” type…
the climate is still like this,
to want to be at the top,
so u are lucky, or in your case 'blessed'?
what i would like to see,
is for people to be less competitive in the society,
and to have a more friendly environment generally,
where there are more (equal) oppotunities for all. -
This part I don't agree although what you say is quite valid. Now the school have set up a system. We have to follow the system. In doing so, many have to push hard on their children or they will be out of the race.. Now if the school system is more condusive and less stressful, I am quite sure most of our children would not hve difficulties catching up... So I say, the fault lies on the system... If my child is stupid, that is one child that need tuition, but when you have a big group of students needing to coach, there is something wrong isn't it ??Originally posted by Chin Eng:Don't blame the environment for one's failures, blame one's failure to cope with changes for one's failure in life.
The only constant in life is change. -
My take is that teachers here simply have no heart for students. They treat the students more as result getting mechanisms
. If they don't treat students like human beings, how can they feel like one? Teachers please buck up abit...you are suppose to be the educators of the future and not the hands that destroy everything I really pity our children. -
True, but who should give the "helping hand"? As you'd said, "their parents see no future in doing so". When I was growing up as a student, I never had help from my parents on HOW to study. It was always "learning by hard" or "spot the questions". Athletes who do not deliver academically? You got to watch "Coach Carter". This movie deals with this question quite adequately. Also look at the number of good soccer players who did not do well as students. Do the rules in our sports school seem harsh? Sure they are, and there is a good reason for them to be.Originally posted by iveco:It is because these kids are not given a helping hand to adapt to the rapid pace of change that drives them up the wall.
There are many young people with hidden talents but are unable to develop them because their parents see no future in doing so. Just look at our sportsmen, for example. All graduates from the sports school have to be straight A students besides being good athletes. It is too difficult to juggle both things at the same time yet maintain consistent performances in all areas.
I need to admit that perhaps I a little more bless, however, I also need to emphasize that there is a LARGE AMOUNT OF MANAGEMENT involved. Having a slightlysmarter child does not mean that everything will be a-ok from now on. It means having to nurture the child and occasionally nudging the child to the right direction. It means motivating the child to motivate himself.Originally posted by TehJarVu:the key in your case here is that they are among the top 15%.
the climate is still like this,
to want to be at the top,
so u are lucky, or in your case 'blessed'?
what i would like to see,
is for people to be less competitive in the society,
and to have a more friendly environment generally,
where there are more (equal) oppotunities for all.
There are things that one cannot manage eg, intellect or those born as prodigies(which neither of my sons exhibit), and there are things one can manage eg, motivate, encourage, befriend, love, instill discipline etc.
In managing a child's life, there is a constant balance between when to discipline and when to let loose.
Competition will continue to exist, the trick is to teach the child that it is not a bloodsport. Competition will bring you to the next level when you succeed, it should not drop you down to the dungeon when you fail.
You know what, you are not far from the truth. I think at the upper levels, most schools have lost the mission to educate. It had evolved to a ranking issue. Note, too, that MOE is probably aware of it and had taken steps to rectify the situation. Whether successful or not, I don't know. It's like the 5-day week thing. CCA is now on Fridays. Has it now become more stressful on Friday? Will parents now see Saturdays as a free day for more tuitions? Other than the exams period, weekends in my household is meant for fun and recreation.Originally posted by ORIGAMIST:This part I don't agree although what you say is quite valid. Now the school have set up a system. We have to follow the system. In doing so, many have to push hard on their children or they will be out of the race.. Now if the school system is more condusive and less stressful, I am quite sure most of our children would not hve difficulties catching up... So I say, the fault lies on the system... If my child is stupid, that is one child that need tuition, but when you have a big group of students needing to coach, there is something wrong isn't it ??
I am not defending the system per se, I think that MOE is NOT really doing a good job, but I think they are trying. With parents and sometimes the kids being so vocal, sometimes teachers are stuck between the devil and the deep blue sea. If the syllabus is too simple, they will be accused of slacking in their work, if it is too tough, then they will be accused of being elitist. If they conduct extra lessons, parents will complain that it is too much, don't conduct, parents will say that they do not care.
Glad I am not a school teacher.
I wish for all to note that I am NOT pro-government or any it's representatives. I am just stating that there are other forces at place - the largest one being the parent and the family unit. I am an advocate of good parent/child relationship. To me it is the first line of defense for the child's growing up process. Any parent reading this should ask themselves some questions:
1. Did I communicate enough? Note that communication is NOT nagging or scolding - it is just chit-chatting and trivial stuff.
2. Did I encourage the child to communicate enough? This is not reporting to you what homework he has, it is how has his day been? What games did he play during PE? What funny stories he heard today?
3. Was there a high level of blaming and finger-pointing when things go wrong?
4. Did you encourage care and concern within the family unit?
5. Are you realistic to your child's performance?
6. Did you take time to pursue with your child things that interest him?
I can go on... but don't fully blame the system. Look inwards, under your roof... there are things that will interest you.... -
Everything is related..whether They want you believe otherwise or not.Originally posted by Chin Eng:It is so strange that a discussion on children getting mental illness is becoming a government issue...
Pragmatically speaking, if we are heads of our own household, would we want to improve our condition of living?
Children with mental illness have very little to do with our Maths syllabus (which I hated in the beginning, but love it now - cos I understand), or tweaking of the education system (everybody tweaks a system, not that I agree with the tweaking), or the pressure schools give (like I don't have pressure at work). It's about coping, and how the parent can facilitate the child on how to cope with changes and pressure (read "Who Move My Cheese).
Don't blame the environment for one's failures, blame one's failure to cope with changes for one's failure in life.
The only constant in life is change. -
too bad.. its become a fight for what you want... or u lose out.
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A the F*ckin people in the 1960s ar have some much animoisity with m'sia such that we got to learn so much crap,so the point is the present generation dont fight so much so children in the future have to learn less history
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You go and join become Malaysian citizenship loh ! NO problem ! They got bigger land than poor Singapore.Originally posted by chronicles:A the F*ckin people in the 1960s ar have some much animoisity with m'sia such that we got to learn so much crap,so the point is the present generation dont fight so much so children in the future have to learn less history