More children admitted with mental illness....poor thing
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Originally posted by TehJarVu:
that's the prob....all parents wory their kids will suffer in future (the unknown) and hence can't help it but to be 'kiasu'......
have a smart kid it's ok.
[b]if the kid is slow, then how? --- precisely..
you give him happy childhood by not pressurising,
and he does not have the abilities to do well in school;
later on he also suffers in life,
because he'll have no qualifications,
and will be at the bottom of the echelon.
so it will become his personal misery,
and this personal misery is largely due to the situation of the society,
so the situation is truly terrible and horrible.
and it seems that we have no way out because of our environment and system and limitations.......
tough.......[/b]
its better to get hold of watever cert. the the kids can....later life good or not...at least parents done their best liao mah ....
i only started to feel this when my boy goes to Primary school, my girl (elder one) has no prob with minimal supervision and hence could at the first two yrs of primary school live life to the fullest.......but my boy who enjoy life the same way as my girl...din perform the same....so if not help him....then hv to let him repeat primary one??
My boy is a great Dreamer....leave him alone is wat he will like most.....
My girl been complaining to me (before i started revising with her) that she seems to be having more corrections to do this year (P4). So i hv to help her lor.....else she will lost the confidence she has rite? -
that's why i say it is the fault of the education ministry. even japan or other more developed countries dont do it so complicated like what we are doing!!
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Bear :
Then you continue to vote PAP loh. And whenever bus fare rise. You praise yourself for having a good father that is rich. And Father can buy car for you to drive. And Father can buy house for you to live. You just have to use your big big cock. Screw the HOLE and produce children everyday at home. No need to worry about money as your father leave a lot of money for you.
Maybe that is life for you. When there are people suffering from constantly raising living cost on food, transport. Some don't even have money to buy new clothes for christmas. -
they have sooooo much to rem esp Chinese Character....my girl will learn the new ones and forget the old ones very chialat
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nothing new, my son is in the same predicament.... now you read now you forget ...Originally posted by a_splash:they have sooooo much to rem esp Chinese Character....my girl will learn the new ones and forget the old ones very chialat
The whole education system seem to favour the Mainland chinese. As far as Mandarin is concern, they got no problem. Then they pick up English so fast. In no time they are at par with our children standard but with better Chinese.... Is there something wrong with our system, sometime I wonder ... -
but you have to give credit to those mainland chinese that picked up english well. i am sure they worked very hard too. again our educational system is to be blamed for not focusing, or in fact, neglecting chinese from the very beginning!!Originally posted by ORIGAMIST:nothing new, my son is in the same predicament.... now you read now you forget ...
The whole education system seem to favour the Mainland chinese. As far as Mandarin is concern, they got no problem. Then they pick up English so fast. In no time they are at par with our children standard but with better Chinese.... Is there something wrong with our system, sometime I wonder ... -
i felt that the diff is they take one at a time....they only learnt chinese first, so the foundation is already there, then English comes inOriginally posted by ORIGAMIST:nothing new, my son is in the same predicament.... now you read now you forget ...
The whole education system seem to favour the Mainland chinese. As far as Mandarin is concern, they got no problem. Then they pick up English so fast. In no time they are at par with our children standard but with better Chinese.... Is there something wrong with our system, sometime I wonder ...
And comparing English and chinese i will say Chinese is tougher cos the Character tougher to write.....i rem i hate chinese becos of having to write them.....
maybe MOE can try only Chinese subject first later then introduce Engerlish
see how it goess.......better siam....wait kenna throw stone as if there are not enugh changes hor -
I don't think the system neglect the Chinese, on the contrary, I think it is too tough leh ..... I think the whole system got problem... I remember my ex-boss who is Malaysian. Posted in Singapore for three years. Got his children to study here. After that go back to Malaysia, got problem. The school over there is too weak for his children. He say our education system is at least 3 years ahead of Malaysian system... Don't know how true la.....Originally posted by dragg:but you have to give credit to those mainland chinese that picked up english well. i am sure they worked very hard too. again our educational system is to be blamed for not focusing, or in fact, neglecting chinese from the very beginning!! -
the older generation do not have problems with chinese. we used to have chinese educated schools and chinese educated classes in english educated schools. but they were all removed in favour of english based education. it was only then that singaporeans start to have problems with chinese. now we are trying to play catch up. it is not easy coz one needs a lot of practise to command a language.Originally posted by ORIGAMIST:I don't think the system neglect the Chinese, on the contrary, I think it is too tough leh ..... I think the whole system got problem... I remember my ex-boss who is Malaysian. Posted in Singapore for three years. Got his children to study here. After that go back to Malaysia, got problem. The school over there is too weak for his children. He say our education system is at least 3 years ahead of Malaysian system... Don't know how true la.....
btw our educational system are really much better than the malaysians'. -
My advice to you is:Originally posted by a_splash:i only started to feel this when my boy goes to Primary school, my girl (elder one) has no prob with minimal supervision and hence could at the first two yrs of primary school live life to the fullest.......but my boy who enjoy life the same way as my girl...din perform the same....so if not help him....then hv to let him repeat primary one?? My boy is a great Dreamer....leave him alone is wat he will like most.....
My girl been complaining to me (before i started revising with her) that she seems to be having more corrections to do this year (P4). So i hv to help her lor.....else she will lost the confidence she has rite?
Let your girl understand that P4 is an interesting year because this is the year they raise the bar on learning. If she's been achieve over her previous 3 years, let her understand that there WILL be a drop in marks as she need to adjust to the higher level of learning. Tell her the purpose of schooling is: not, not to make mistakes, but it is to make all the mistakes and learn along the way. Tell her not to be demoralised by the number of corrections she need to do because everyone's doing correction now.
P1 boy...? let him dream a while. Get into his mind and see what's he thinking inside. Find out what challenge him. Use these as a leverage to encourage him more. Never, ever compare him negatively against his sister. You may praise his strong points over his sister's to boost his confidence a little. Assign small amount of work to him and see if he reacts responsibly by doing them. Reward him once in a while. And when he gets a little more mature, explain the purpose of schooling to him.
Your younger child has a typical 2nd child syndrome. One with a slightly more lackadasical attitude (otherwise called boh chap). So the challenge is to slowly nudge him to do a little more, taking baby steps along the way.
I know these for a fact 'cos my two sons are the same - older boy, totally motivated and focused, young boy, relak attitude. I can still managed to get them to work hard in school. -
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Good Morning Chin Eng!
Thanks for your advice. I did let him dream thru P1, he is in P2 this yr.
When he was in P1, he 'dreamt' so much, the teacher was on his back
Cos he always kept away his homework and some never to be found, he always needed to meddle with things when teachers were teaching, (he still does, i wrote to the P2 teacher to let him be) etc etc His classmates told us he was always badly scolded by the teacher. Poor him ne.....how to gain confident like that??
Once, he was punished consecutively (made him stand etc), i had to write to tell her the worksheet was LOST, LOST means cannot be found liao.....would she be continuing to punish till him can 'magic' one for her??? Yo, ended up my boy was further 'punished' for my mistakes ( i mistaken he stood on the chair while infact he was only standing on the floor which i was no bothered about). i apologised and she still go target him, get the whole class to be her witness of wat she did and wat his mummy said.....
I learnt the hard way (at his expense, i felt bad) that i can't do the same for him (make him be responsible for his own stuff) like his sister.
He is definitely a bright and creative boy. He is more of a divergent thinker unlike his sister a convergent thinker.....most education systems and school environment are not condusive for divergent thinker..
anyway thru hard and soft approach ( i had read up some books to learn some soft skills, the hard approach is my natural reaction
), he has shown great improvements this year, thanks to his P2 teacher's patience (no more scolding liao) and the student care's teacher's patience and understanding.... 
i try my best not to kill his creativity and divergent thinking......
I will tell my girl wat you mentioned here. Thanks!
Its a GREAT CHALLENGE to be 'good' parents....esp in such era of heavy study load.......... -
Originally posted by dragg:
so maybe should consider to change to chinese as first language, english as second??
[b]the older generation do not have problems with chinese. we used to have chinese educated schools and chinese educated classes in english educated schools. but they were all removed in favour of english based education. it was only then that singaporeans start to have problems with chinese. now we are trying to play catch up. it is not easy coz one needs a lot of practise to command a language.
btw our educational system are really much better than the malaysians'.
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this will only make matter worst!!!Originally posted by a_splash:so maybe should consider to change to chinese as first language, english as second??
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My niece & nephew left for Perth a few yrs back cos they cannot cope with Chinese. Only this yr. there will be a reduction in syllabus but it is too late. They are very happy there & don't intend to come back.
Also the JC Project work- My daughter was assigned an Art teacher who was going to quit the next yr. He was hopeless, everytime the students seek his help to clarify something, he told them to read the handbook. It was very stressful. Some of her classmates have insomnia & broke down & cried.
As a result, the whole class got very low grading compared to weaker class that even some teachers were surprised.
There were so many unnecessary paper work. Some students have 3 large files! Only this yr. as a result of many complaints, there will be changes to PW.
I'm told that this yr. JC students doing Sc. has to take a compulsory humanities subj. & visa versa- this is another instant change.
Kiasu parents & numerous changes to edn. system are the causes for stress.
My hubby said that economy is so bad that U grads may end up with low paying job. What's the point of studying so hard. Might as well go casino & work as coupier- can get a lot of tips from gamblers -
Singapore children will one day wake up and ask why in the world did
their parents bring them into this world and put them to torture through the
Singapore education, military, housing, healthcare, employment system?
Or should it be the parents to wake up?
Some parents woke up and left but honestly, many think it's ok having children in a "fun" place and watching them tortured and fight for survival.
Work hard so "they" tell you. Guess who's working smart?
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Originally posted by gerrykoh:
ssssshhhh not so loud le, i intending to go apply one le.....like that got long queue liao lah
My hubby said that economy is so bad that U grads may end up with low paying job. What's the point of studying so hard. Might as well go casino & work as coupier- can get a lot of tips from gamblers [/b]
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This I have to agree with you. I was served by a teenage girl who spoke mandarin with chinese accent at a wedding dinner at Hyatt two sat ago. She told us she came here from china to join sec 3 class and her english was without doubt very poor. BUT she, and most of the mainland chinese here, spent 6 months of hard work and were able to catch with their classmates and since then, she topped her class all the way. Got 8 A for O level andOriginally posted by dragg:but you have to give credit to those mainland chinese that picked up english well. i am sure they worked very hard too. again our educational system is to be blamed for not focusing, or in fact, neglecting chinese from the very beginning!!
3 A/1 B for her A level.
We used to speak hokkien, cantonese, english and a bit of half passed 6 mandarin, now our children don't speak dialects and both english and mandarin are also half passed 6. Now LKY says we must also speak malay, may be hindu and tamil when india's economy boom a little further.
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Chin Eng's advice was great. My second child is also a dreamer. Everytime when he has a new form teacher, my wife sure kena called to school and hear the same remark, "your son day dream a lot." Don't know when he will wake up automatically.Originally posted by a_splash:[
Good Morning Chin Eng!
Thanks for your advice. I did let him dream thru P1, he is in P2 this yr.
When he was in P1, he 'dreamt' so much, the teacher was on his back Cos he always kept away his homework and some never to be found, he always needed to meddle with things when teachers were teaching, (he still does, i wrote to the P2 teacher to let him be) etc etc His classmates told us he was always badly scolded by the teacher. Poor him ne.....how to gain confident like that??
Once, he was punished consecutively (made him stand etc), i had to write to tell her the worksheet was LOST, LOST means cannot be found liao.....would she be continuing to punish till him can 'magic' one for her??? Yo, ended up my boy was further 'punished' for my mistakes ( i mistaken he stood on the chair while infact he was only standing on the floor which i was no bothered about). i apologised and she still go target him, get the whole class to be her witness of wat she did and wat his mummy said.....
I learnt the hard way (at his expense, i felt bad) that i can't do the same for him (make him be responsible for his own stuff) like his sister.
He is definitely a bright and creative boy. He is more of a divergent thinker unlike his sister a convergent thinker.....most education systems and school environment are not condusive for divergent thinker..
anyway thru hard and soft approach ( i had read up some books to learn some soft skills, the hard approach is my natural reaction ), he has shown great improvements this year, thanks to his P2 teacher's patience (no more scolding liao) and the student care's teacher's patience and understanding.... i try my best not to kill his creativity and divergent thinking......
I will tell my girl wat you mentioned here. Thanks!
Its a GREAT CHALLENGE to be 'good' parents....esp in such era of heavy study load..........
One thing to get him out of his dream world is when the whole family is together, whether having meals or watching tv together. In our busy work schedule and travelling, such quality time with family is much more useful than many of us realise.
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parents just love to speak english to their children. start from young they say!! but most parents speak english poorly. i have heard on numerous occasions how mothers speak singlish to their kids. its amazing!!!Originally posted by sgdiehard:This I have to agree with you. I was served by a teenage girl who spoke mandarin with chinese accent at a wedding dinner at Hyatt two sat ago. She told us she came here from china to join sec 3 class and her english was without doubt very poor. BUT she, and most of the mainland chinese here, spent 6 months of hard work and were able to catch with their classmates and since then, she topped her class all the way. Got 8 A for O level and
3 A/1 B for her A level.
We used to speak hokkien, cantonese, english and a bit of half passed 6 mandarin, now our children don't speak dialects and both english and mandarin are also half passed 6. Now LKY says we must also speak malay, may be hindu and tamil when india's economy boom a little further.
Something is wrong with our system in teaching language. -
Originally posted by dragg:
aiyo y u must tell everyone le
parents just love to speak english to their children. start from young they say!! [b]but most parents speak english poorly. i have heard on numerous occasions how mothers speak singlish to their kids. its amazing!!![/b]
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coz it is better not to speak then to wu4ren2zi3di4.Originally posted by a_splash:aiyo y u must tell everyone le -
but as parent i must try my best mah...GIVE my best....at least i tried!Originally posted by dragg:coz it is better not to speak then to wu4ren2zi3di4.
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Actually, it's really shocking at the standard of English spoken in Singapore.Originally posted by dragg:parents just love to speak english to their children. start from young they say!! but most parents speak english poorly. i have heard on numerous occasions how mothers speak singlish to their kids. its amazing!!!
I won't say my English is terrific. In fact I think my standard of English has dropped lots since Secondary School mainly because I've been speaking so much Mandarin peppered with Hokkien (Hokkien's improving) due to the nature of my work.
Anyway, I like to talk to people of all ages, especially so on the internet as it's so much easier to break the ice. I have spoken and made firm friends with secondary school kids and it is really appalling to find out that some don't even understand words like "bombastic" or idioms like "Pot calling the kettle black", which should really be primary school standard English?
I honestly wonder how things will be like in the future because I don't think Singapore can use English as a selling point in the future. -
speaking poor english to your kids will only make matter worst.Originally posted by a_splash:but as parent i must try my best mah...GIVE my best....at least i tried!
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There will always be overzealous teachers... some of these needed talking to especially if their methods are wrong. Otherwise see the head of student welfare in the school.
I strongly believe in caning, up to a point. Anyone else who also believe in hard punishment please note that there is another skill to master - that of being at peace with oneself. In English, it means, when caning, don't get angry. Very tough thing to do. Because you need to convince yourself the purpose of the caning is a punishment for an offence and NOT to vent anger.
I cannot emphasize enough that as parents (especially fathers) we need to spend enough quality time with our children. My sons and I do lots of things together, including building advance Lego sets, play Xbox games, watch MTV, chit chatting about our day, share funny stories, etc.
Some books that I'd found useful for my sons:
Seven habits of Effective Teenager by Sean Covey
Who move my cheese for teens by Spencer Johnson
Mind Mapping for kids by Tony Buzan
(titles may not be 100% accurate...)
My older son has gone through all of the above and have found them to be helpful. I am trying to work on my younger son with at least Who move my cheese this year. He's finish a book entitled "Public speaking in the classroom" recently.
Children are for us to nurture, if we don't do a good job, THEY suffer....