Who you like to see get out of Election this time round ??
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I don't like Mah... I hope he will not be in
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Who ever liked him?FAS was better off without him
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The PAP men in Aljunied GRC. Workers Party should have won that one the last time round if not for some dirty maneuvring that saw them disqualified.
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I live in the aljunied grc area... there has always been a walk over, no chance to vote.
I din know that the WP are active here. Can you give me more information about them in aljunied grc? do they do any good works here that I may feel that they can take care of this grc than the pap? -
Originally posted by iveco:
For those who may have forgotten, the PAP won a walkover victory in Aljunied GRC in 2001 because the WP candidates did not fill in their election contest forms correctly, and were subsequently disqualified.
The PAP men in Aljunied GRC. Workers Party should have won that one the last time round if not for some dirty maneuvring that saw them disqualified. 
BG(NS) George Yeo is a pretty strong incumbent and has been serving as a Member of Parliament for the GRC ever since it was formed in 1988. The opposition would have to put up a very good fight to unseat this mainstay candidate in the next election.
Anyway, if the ruling party feels that there is any constituency that may be politically weak, they could always gerrymander and split up the electorate to weaken the opposition vote. -
Originally posted by SilverPal:
Ever since its formation, the Aljunied GRC has been contested twice in 1988 and 1997. Both times, the opposition candidates from SDP lost.
I live in the aljunied grc area... there has always been a walk over, no chance to vote.
I din know that the WP are active here. Can you give me more information about them in aljunied grc? do they do any good works here that I may feel that they can take care of this grc than the pap?
The WP candidates who were disqualified in the 2001 elections over a technicality, were led by Assistant Secretary-General James Gomez. Good works, I don't know. All I know is that the GRC holds strategic advantage being geographically adjacent to the WP-held constituency of Hougang. The WP would be able to leverage on Low Thia Kiang's popularity and consolidate their political foothold if they had won over that GRC. -
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The ministers who understand the people's problems are those who are prepared to tell their higher echelon leaders that something is wrong with the manner of charging for medicals etc and has done something to change that.
Good leaders are definitely not those who are afraid to lose their highly paid jobs or those who seek after their personal ambitions or self-interests. Ministers who keep increasing the people's costs of living and practise all kinds of policies to cause class-divisions and our world's highest migration problem are the ministers who are out of date and out-of-touch with the people's problems. (read the 20 problems of autocracy posted in this forum).
Whoever that keep pushing for the unreasonable HDB resale levies or transport fare increases even during profitable years of SBS and SMRT are the ministers who do not care for people.
The reason why HDB keeps charging double for lands/flats and LTA carries on all sorts of over-taxing like the triple charging on vehicles (excise, COE and ERP) is because we have out-of-touch ministers.
People should have learned the lesson - don't believe blindly in the scholars. The true leaders are those who are interested to serve the people and solve their problems and not those who are promoting themselves being too afraid to lose their jobs. -
potong pasir shld be going back to pap...coz chiam sze tong want ro retire liaoz???...
Anyway...election in S'pore is never democractic in nature...where got GRC in any part of the world except S'pore man...
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i agree!Originally posted by activator:potong pasir shld be going back to pap...coz chiam sze tong want ro retire liaoz???...
Anyway...election in S'pore is never democractic in nature...where got GRC in any part of the world except S'pore man...
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thanks!
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The members of the ruling party are masters of the art of gerrymandering what....I bet lots of political parties from other countries envy the fact that they are able to get away with it in Singapore.
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One or two more opposition members elected to parliament will not change things very much. Now the opposition parties individually are weak and not credible.
Big changes will happen only when the oppositions are united into one big party with proper manifestos adopted to serve the younger population. But good candidates have been bashed down and cannot get up.
New ones are not coming in to serve who are of good standards. People cannot blame the opposition candidates or parties as this problem was created by the people themselves and the incumbent in power who are too kiasu for the country's good.
If the opposition can join up immediately, they will get the right and timely signals and all Singaporeans will begin seriously to vote for alternative views and solutions in the coming election.
Opposition leaders themselves may have to make some sacrifice and accept lower position in the merger to let those with high quality take the lead for all to succeed as a team. Without some personal sacrifice all of them will fail again in the next election as people will just have to accept whoever the incumbent offer. -
Originally posted by robertteh:
The opposition parties were too concerned with squabbling for the scraps from the ruling party's table that they've missed their right to something better.
One or two more opposition members elected to parliament will not change things very much. Now the opposition parties individually are weak and not credible.
Big changes will happen only when the oppositions are united into one big party with proper manifestos adopted to serve the younger population. But good candidates have been bashed down and cannot get up.
New ones are not coming in to serve who are of good standards. People cannot blame the opposition candidates or parties as this problem was created by the people themselves and the incumbent in power who are too kiasu for the country's good.
If the opposition can join up immediately, they will get the right and timely signals and all Singaporeans will begin seriously to vote for alternative views and solutions in the coming election.
Opposition leaders themselves may have to make some sacrifice and accept lower position in the merger to let those with high quality take the lead for all to succeed as a team. Without some personal sacrifice all of them will fail again in the next election as people will just have to accept whoever the incumbent offer.
With the ousting of Chiam from SDP, and the bitter resignation of Jeyaretnam from WP, it seemed that the opposition may have become more divided than ever before.
All is not lost, however. Recognising strength in unity, Chiam has formed a new party SPP and has initiated the Singapore Democratic Alliance of NSP, PKMS, SJP and SPP to help field stronger opposition teams against the ruling party in the 2001 General Elections. Though this move didn't quite achieve its goals, it was nevertheless a commendable effort at that time.
Singaporeans could only hope that this spirit of coalition could be spread to the major opposition parties as well in the next round of elections. -
The present Aljunied GRC includes remnants of the hotly-contested former Eunos and Cheng San GRCs. I wouldn't be surprised that WP wanted to contest that ward in 2001 and PAP, realising their gaffe in gerrymandering, decided to disqualify the WP team on a technicality. I don't think a PAP man would need to go through so much trouble even if he made the same mistake as the WP team.Originally posted by Tuatau:Ever since its formation, the Aljunied GRC has been contested twice in 1988 and 1997. Both times, the opposition candidates from SDP lost.
The WP candidates who were disqualified in the 2001 elections over a technicality, were led by Assistant Secretary-General James Gomez. Good works, I don't know. All I know is that the GRC holds strategic advantage being geographically adjacent to the WP-held constituency of Hougang. The WP would be able to leverage on Low Thia Kiang's popularity and consolidate their political foothold if they had won over that GRC. -
Originally posted by iveco:
But of course. No opposition party has ever won a walkover victory. The ruling party would never allow such a mistake to happen, and even if there were one, it would be pointed out and rectified immediately before the press or the public got any wiser.
I don't think a PAP man would need to go through so much trouble even if he made the same mistake as the WP team.
Whether the gerrymandering move was a gaffe or not is subjective, but it made strategic sense to dissolve the "risky" Eunos and Cheng San GRCs, divide the risk elements up and spread them equally among the relatively safer adjacent GRCs.
And that is what would likely happen to the opposition wards should they fall to the ruling party's hands in the next election. Ceteris paribus, Hougang would be absorbed by Aljunied GRC; Potong Pasir would either be divided between Bishan-Toa Payoh and Marine Parade GRCs or be fully absorbed by either GRC. -
Definitely not VOTERS!!!
After every past election, we keep seeing less and less Singaporeans
vote. Somehow the ones who are voted in changed the rules to keep
the voters out of voting!!!!
So I'd vote for those who will enable more than less Singaporeans to vote!!!
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Actually a lot of the missing voters, excluding those who kena walkover, are just people who are too lazy to show up, or those that give up, thinking that their vote will not make any difference. But I do remember that in Singapore if you don't show up, the govt will strike your name off the voting register for the next GE. So, like flying the flag, voting is also apparently a priviledge and not a citizen's right in Singapore. People who work/study overseas are also not allowed to vote, which is truly stupid.Originally posted by macjoe:Definitely not VOTERS!!!
After every past election, we keep seeing less and less Singaporeans
vote. Somehow the ones who are voted in changed the rules to keep
the voters out of voting!!!!
So I'd vote for those who will enable more than less Singaporeans to vote!!! -
PAP's past habits of forming GRCs in GE at the last minute were undemocratic.
It denied many Singaporeans the opportunity to vote.
You may argue that it was the oppositions' fault for being unable to come out with enough people to make a GRC team. Wait, let me explain why they cant.
PAP used a long term strategy of grabbing clever people in the colleges, universities, stat boards and GLCs - to add on to their list of potential MPs.
Opposition parties do not have that kind of access or authority to do that. But that doesnt mean they cant do the same. You vote them in, they will have PAP's people sources to build up a strong party.
It really amazed me in every GE many Singaporeans approved unfair tactics used by People Action Party, like giving away free moneys to the people. Singaporeans approved? Of Course! How else can you explain the big victory margins they gave PAP in every GE.
Where were the protest votes?
Come on people, show the world we are not a lot of 'wooden' people.
Dont allow cheap freebies to buy over your rights to vote. -
Many Singaporeans are obligated to vote for PAP because they either work in Statuary boards or Government sector. Even though voting is secret, it is not so in Singapore. Otherwise how can they know which area supported PAP and get a chance to upgrade their flats faster?Originally posted by miong:PAP's past habit of forming GRCs at the last minute were undemocratic.
It denied many Singaporeans the opportunity to vote.
You may argue that it was the oppositions' fault for being unable to come out with enough people to make a GRC team.
PAP used a long term strategy of grabbing clever people in the colleges, universities, stat boards and GLCs - to add on to their list of potential MPs.
Opposition parties do not have that kind of access or authority to do that. But that doesnt mean they cant do the same. You vote them in, they will have PAP's people sources to build up a strong party.
It really amazed me in every GE many Singaporeans approved bullying tactics used by People Action Party. Singaporeans approved? Of Course! How else can you explain the big victory margins they gave PAP in every GE.
Where were the protest votes?
Come people, show the world we are not a lot of 'wooden' people.
Dont allow cheap freebies to buy over your freedom of expression and rights . -
Oh great,using "filling forms game" to disqualify WP candidates,really "mature"!!!........Grow up,dudes.Originally posted by Tuatau:For those who may have forgotten, the PAP won a walkover victory in Aljunied GRC in 2001 because the WP candidates did not fill in their election contest forms correctly, and were subsequently disqualified.
BG(NS) George Yeo is a pretty strong incumbent and has been serving as a Member of Parliament for the GRC ever since it was formed in 1988. The opposition would have to put up a very good fight to unseat this mainstay candidate in the next election.
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And moreover,Singapore is not a big country,only a tiny island,want to invent the GRC election for F**K?Our leaders only show other politicians from other countries that they are "narrow-minded,petty,not gentleman n have a loser attitude",SHAME ON THEM!!!!Originally posted by activator:Anyway...election in S'pore is never democractic in nature...where got GRC in any part of the world except S'pore man...
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Hahaha,many a times,nothing can really get away if a person make alot of terrible mistakes.Even if can,it is also temporary,cannot last one.Originally posted by av98m:The members of the ruling party are masters of the art of gerrymandering what....I bet lots of political parties from other countries envy the fact that they are able to get away with it in Singapore. -
Mah Bow Tan can come and kiss my a$$.Originally posted by ORIGAMIST:I don't like Mah... I hope he will not be in
And in any case, when PAP used the MRT and the HDB upgrading as a threat(or treat) to those who were living in opposition wards, so as to entice or threaten people to vote PAP, there were two weak points of those two 'treats'.
First thing, MRT being built using taxpayers' money shouldn't be used as a treat to get people to vote for ruling party- by law and technical aspects. Since taxpayers pay taxes annually, all taxpayers should benefit. Therefore the MRT building and extension shd be extend not to just those who voted for PAP, but also to those who didn't.
Second thing, HDB upgrading, while it may only affect the value of each individvual flats, it has an extremely small effect. Sure the place looks great, but don't forget existing HDB flatowners still have to pay a sum to HDB to get upgrading. So two questions should be asked:
1) since HDB earns so much for selling 50k(cost of building one single HDB unit) for 400k, so why don't they pay 100% of the upgrading costs?
2) Since upgrading doesn't affect the overall cost of one individual unit, then isn't the owner paying something that he wouldn't get back in the long term?
And we should also consider the fact that: did the current flatowner used his own cash, a bank loan or his individual CPF account to get his flat? So would his flat become a liability or an asset in that case?
These are questions that need to be answered. And unfortunately, while these questions are complicated, people have neglected. You think flats and MRTs are so fine and dandy in this country? -
Jurong folks who are unhappy with the education system should also get their act together. You know what to do, don't you?
