Ong Teng Cheong vs Wee Kim Wee
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Usually Prsidents only appear in Presidents' charity ball, National Day and post office.
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Originally posted by Elfred:Good to know we do share agreement on certain thingy.
Pity a good man hard to be... that heaven to send for him this urgently... Hast heaven hence so short of good souls to have to deprive an island of this?
Is heaven autocratic or democratic?
good question indeed.
On earth man wants to play God and that is called autocratic.
In heaven there is only one God, is it autocratic?? -
I remember Yusoff Ishak was the best People's President (from ST article). Now he probably lose to Wee Kim Wee.
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Remember Ong Teng Cheong was kinda power-hungry.
He made public apology to Goh Chok Tong. -
apologising on what?Originally posted by PoRen:Remember Ong Teng Cheong was kinda power-hungry.
He made public apology to Goh Chok Tong. -
Nobody is best!!!
LKY is always dam best!!!!! -
think it was some slanderous remarks against Goh CTOriginally posted by SnowFlag:apologising on what? -
i sort of agree too.Originally posted by Lowclassman:Nobody is best!!!
LKY is always dam best!!!!!
however, he seems weaker and weaker everytime he appears on TV.
no doubt his health is declining already.
Mr Lee did so much for S'pore and is still serving the Nation even at such old age. he's one excellent leader who builds and oversee S'pore's growth throughout the many years.
if he really got to go one day, i think he really deserve very grand funeral and all S'poreans will remember him for his great effort in building S'pore! -
he did wat he think is right. you call that power-hungry ?Originally posted by PoRen:Remember Ong Teng Cheong was kinda power-hungry.
He made public apology to Goh Chok Tong.
tamade wake up ur idea boi -
what's the point of comparing?
what matters now is that why the current bugger doesn't seem to do anything. I don't even know if he's still alive. -
wait he send ISD catch youOriginally posted by kopiosatu:what's the point of comparing?
what matters now is that why the current bugger doesn't seem to do anything. I don't even know if he's still alive. -
he's our President afterall.Originally posted by kopiosatu:what's the point of comparing?
what matters now is that why the current bugger doesn't seem to do anything. I don't even know if he's still alive.
do give some respect.
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i didnt vote for himOriginally posted by vIn.Warrior:he's our President afterall.
do give some respect. -
i know you voted for me. thanx.Originally posted by crazy monkey:i didnt vote for him
but we still have to give him some respect.
maybe after his step down then can "play a fool" with him
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Aiyah,becoz Mr Ong oppose Lao Lee n Lao Goh before mah,of coz when he die,there is a "limit praising" towards him lar.Whereas Mr Wee is more obedience,thats why they praise him so much after his death lor.But history is not to be decided by Lao Goh or Lao Lee one,it is decide by the public n historian,good or bad,the future generation will have a distinction on them.Originally posted by crazy monkey:exactly but from the media reports after Mr Wee's death they seem to imply tat he's the best president which is implying that Mr Ong is second best. -
he did what was required of himOriginally posted by Tuatau:Speaking of which, the 2005 Presidential Elections should be coming up soon. As potential voters (provided there is no walkover again), maybe we should focus on whether President Nathan has done a good job filling the big shoes of his predecessors. -
Originally posted by oldbreadstinks:
he did what was required of him -
I agree. There's just no way to compare what these two former presidents did for Singapore. They focused on different aspects for the good of the people. It is a pity we don't have more of these wonderful selfless men in our government today. OTC certainly deserves more than what was accorded to him for what he tried to do for us.Originally posted by pinkgal:ppl treat him as a peoples president cos he's been contributing to singapore for so many yrs..even after he step down from president..but then ong teng cheong didn't hav such a chance now..so we can't compare both of them..each has their good points one way or another.. -
Totally agree. I definitely cried for days if he pass away.Originally posted by vIn.Warrior:i sort of agree too.
however, he seems weaker and weaker everytime he appears on TV.
no doubt his health is declining already.
Mr Lee did so much for S'pore and is still serving the Nation even at such old age. he's one excellent leader who builds and oversee S'pore's growth throughout the many years.
if he really got to go one day, i think he really deserve very grand funeral and all S'poreans will remember him for his great effort in building S'pore! -
I think he did a bloody good job!!!Originally posted by Tuatau: -
respect has to be earnedOriginally posted by vIn.Warrior:he's our President afterall.
do give some respect. -
The Position of President of Singapore is now different from those days in Sheares or Yusok Ishak. It is an elected position commanding its own constitution authority.Originally posted by kopiosatu:what's the point of comparing?
what matters now is that why the current bugger doesn't seem to do anything. I don't even know if he's still alive.
The president owes a duty even though he was not democratically elected by the people to discharge his responsibility to the people of Singapore. He can carry on what ex-president Ong Teng Cheong has started but failed to accomplish - ask for major assets e.g. foreign and GLC investments to be valued once a year.
This is the type of elected president Singapore needs. PMO has 6 ministers and many senior civil servants set up to look after GIC and oversee asset surpluses costing taxpayers millions.
I am sure even if PM has not instructed anyone to keep updated records of assets, the president on his own sense of duty can do so without further asking. To this day, what OTC has asked for was not wrong except that the tasks of valuating all assets or major assets might take time.
OTC's intention and objective were truly admirable and correct. The incumbent party was short-sighted not to see the positive contribution of the elected president's office for their future generation's sake. The party wants to win over the young educated and elites. Can the party walk tall among the people they are claiming to lead as their sheeps ? Prove to the young educated elites that the party is pro-Singapore and will always do things for Singapore's interest in any event party and state interests are at odds or differ.
So I ask: the current president to carry on his contributions in his own way i.e. to establish his office as elected president for future generation's sake so that the assets can be guarded against possible abuse and the 2nd key can be properly used to open the asset box for assistance to singaporeans when the crisis comes. -
And the battle of the People's Presidents continues...Originally posted by PoRen:I remember Yusoff Ishak was the best People's President (from ST article). Now he probably lose to Wee Kim Wee.
I mean why is there even the rank "people's president" ?
I am sure Wee Kim wee doesn't give a care about this rank
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MM LKY is the Pioneers of the country and he has done so much for us and regardless of the things he done(good or bad) .He has my respect because without him and his party,we wouldn't be here crapping in SGforumsOriginally posted by vIn.Warrior:i sort of agree too.
however, he seems weaker and weaker everytime he appears on TV.
no doubt his health is declining already.
Mr Lee did so much for S'pore and is still serving the Nation even at such old age. he's one excellent leader who builds and oversee S'pore's growth throughout the many years.
if he really got to go one day, i think he really deserve very grand funeral and all S'poreans will remember him for his great effort in building S'pore! -
Why did Ong TC have to apologize to Goh CT then? It was a public apology.Originally posted by robertteh:The Position of President of Singapore is now different from those days in Sheares or Yusok Ishak. It is an elected position commanding its own constitution authority.
The president owes a duty even though he was not democratically elected by the people to discharge his responsibility to the people of Singapore. He can carry on what ex-president Ong Teng Cheong has started but failed to accomplish - ask for major assets e.g. foreign and GLC investments to be valued once a year.
This is the type of elected president Singapore needs. PMO has 6 ministers and many senior civil servants set up to look after GIC and oversee asset surpluses costing taxpayers millions.
I am sure even if PM has not instructed anyone to keep updated records of assets, the president on his own sense of duty can do so without further asking. To this day, what OTC has asked for was not wrong except that the tasks of valuating all assets or major assets might take time.
OTC's intention and objective were truly admirable and correct. The incumbent party was short-sighted not to see the positive contribution of the elected president's office for their future generation's sake. The party wants to win over the young educated and elites. Can the party walk tall among the people they are claiming to lead as their sheeps ? Prove to the young educated elites that the party is pro-Singapore and will always do things for Singapore's interest in any event party and state interests are at odds or differ.
So I ask: the current president to carry on his contributions in his own way i.e. to establish his office as elected president for future generation's sake so that the assets can be guarded against possible abuse and the 2nd key can be properly used to open the asset box for assistance to singaporeans when the crisis comes.