Human right group. Shut up for our death penalty system !
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Sky,
Good that u are supporter of fighting crime.But there is death pernalty,why are there still many ppl commit drug traficking?Pls think seriously. -
poor children ending up orphaned...
The law is merciless.....i wonder if the children will still treat singapore as their home..no offense...
Seriously
if my dad one day were to be hanged by the state, i would draw m-16 and shoot those pple responsible for it....
I believe anyone of you all would also do something about it ...
From the point of view of his children , they view him as a dad who was desperately trying all means to provide for his son...
Why was their family poor ? Its because of this country , if they had $$
they wouldn't be trying out this mean..
Anyway, if someone killed your dad, and goes away unpunished...im sure 1 day , there will be a time whereby they will take revenge on the judge who passed the death sentence.
It's not whether its right or wrong. It's our moral values.
Losing a painful person....
Well , you can imagine the mom , telling the child...
"The singapore judicial system killed your father....!!"
You must revenge when you grow up....
same thing as terrorism...
"americans kill your dad!"
you must revenge when you grow up...
I strongly advice against capital punishment , rather , life imprisonment. -
Its stupid to KILL someone over 600 gram of drugs..
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if there is no death penalty the situation will be even worst!!Originally posted by PRP:Sky,
Good that u are supporter of fighting crime.But there is death pernalty,why are there still many ppl commit drug traficking?Pls think seriously. -
What if someone placed the drugs in his bag? and caused him to get hanged?Originally posted by dragg:if there is no death penalty the situation will be even worst!!
isn't that injustice? -
the 600 grams of drugs in turn can harm a lot of people too!!Originally posted by SMAPLionHeart:Its stupid to KILL someone over 600 gram of drugs.. -
The two kids will probably end up being terrorists or something. Who is going to take care of them when the father is gone? He's either jailed or hanged.
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No doubt, killing someone to protect someone...Originally posted by dragg:the 600 grams of drugs in turn can harm a lot of people too!!
Have you all ever thought of what if....the person actually needs the money and has been chased by loan sharks?
His children needs food, his wife needs money...
Given the desperate situation , and the stupid local Community Chest providing only $100 a month you think that's enough?
Im more towards life imprisonment , as for manslaughter , i believe death penalty is necessary... -
all parents love their kids....dad gave his life for them....
he gave his 2 years to defend sg and sg took his life as well... -
it is his own decision. he is old enough to know the consequences. he can go rob or steal, no capital punishment!!! why traffick drugs? he has himself to blame for choosing this avenue.Originally posted by SMAPLionHeart:No doubt, killing someone to protect someone...
Have you all ever thought of what if....the person actually needs the money and has been chased by loan sharks?
His children needs food, his wife needs money...
Given the desperate situation , and the stupid local Community Chest providing only $100 a month you think that's enough?
Im more towards life imprisonment , as for manslaughter , i believe death penalty is necessary...
there are lots of desperate people out there. do we see all resorting to drug trafficking? -
All i know is that SR Nathan hardly approved any clemency..
u all read on the news??
Wee Kim Wee approved a clemency...for the person who once smuggled drugs..and the mom of the man who had his life spared...went to visit and cried on his funeral...
SR NATHAN NEVER approved a clemency...
If i were the kid of the person who got hang and SR Nathan never approved the clemency....and he passed on..
You think the kids would thank SR nathan for sparing their dad's life..?
Or will it be other way round?
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Sometimes in life, i believe he's 38 years old... he knows there's this death penalty...many things in life, we got no options or choice at all...Originally posted by dragg:it is his own decision. he is old enough to know the consequences. he can go rob or steal, no capital punishment!!! why traffick drugs? he has himself to blame for choosing this avenue.
there are lots of desperate people out there. do we see all resorting to drug trafficking?
Like NS, can we refuse it? No.
Robbing and stealing is an offense by itself , no difference...
Robbing will involve hurting people...
Stealing will also do the same thing...
Maybe he's just timid....first timer and just once..it did him in... -
LIKE IVE SAID,
IF PEOPLE WANT TO TAKE DRUGS,
NO AMOUNT OF THINGS CAN STOP THEM
JUST LIKE CASINO!
GOT IT??
IF PEOPLE WANT TO TAKE DRUGS, YOU THINK JUST BY BLOCKING IT TO COME TO SG WILL STOP?
THEY CAN FLY TO OTHER COUNTRIES AND TAKE IT! -
In conclusion , i am against the death penalty for trafficking of drugs.
Nevertheless, drugs are harmful , i believe our citizens are smart enough ....
if they want to take drugs..by all means possible..they will achieve it... -
Emotions aside - the severity of the punishment for trafficking in drugs is not something that is written in miniscule script on stone buried deep in the recesses of our reclaimed land. How can you blame a country for carrying out its laws when people know the repercussions but commit the crime all the same?Originally posted by SingaporeMacross:The two kids will probably end up being terrorists or something. Who is going to take care of them when the father is gone? He's either jailed or hanged.
Ok ... so are people here advocating then that as long as the reason given is that the financial situation in one's family is verging desperation it is permissible and excusable to commit a crime and be released with a slap on the wrist, regardless of the severity of the crime? -
Err ... actually you can. You just need to accept the punishment that comes along with going awolOriginally posted by SMAPLionHeart:Like NS, can we refuse it? No.
How do you compare drug trafficking with serving NS
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well , its an analogy...perhaps too much differenceOriginally posted by czechmate:Err ... actually you can. You just need to accept the punishment that comes along with going awol
How do you compare drug trafficking with serving NS
You never know the reason behind it...
It could be many possibilities.. smugglers threatening to harm their families if they refused etc....
Your life first or your family? -
Each case requires a case to case basis , using compassion to feel it..Originally posted by czechmate:Emotions aside - the severity of the punishment for trafficking in drugs is not something that is written in miniscule script on stone buried deep in the recesses of our reclaimed land. How can you blame a country for carrying out its laws when people know the repercussions but commit the crime all the same?
Ok ... so are people here advocating then that as long as the reason given is that the financial situation in one's family is verging desperation it is permissible and excusable to commit a crime and be released with a slap on the wrist, regardless of the severity of the crime?
Take case A , Person A is a longtime drug smuggler , rich and well off ,
have many mistresses , well known drug smugglers , using his money to commit dirty work in SG... , purchase ferraris and runs a triad of his own..
Take case B , Person B is a 1-time drug smuggler , poor and needs to support his family , blackmailed by smugglers to deliver drugs , faithful and loyal with one wife.... family in deep trouble....knows that
unable to find any alternative...
Both of them were caught carrying 1 kg of cannabis.
You as the judge, what would you do? -
If i the son i threaten to bomb a building ar
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i dont think any one of us know the law well enough to mete out sentence.Originally posted by SMAPLionHeart:Each case requires a case to case basis , using compassion to feel it..
Take case A , Person A is a longtime drug smuggler , rich and well off ,
have many mistresses , well known drug smugglers , using his money to commit dirty work in SG... , purchase ferraris and runs a triad of his own..
Take case B , Person B is a 1-time drug smuggler , poor and needs to support his family , blackmailed by smugglers to deliver drugs , faithful and loyal with one wife.... family in deep trouble....knows that
unable to find any alternative...
Both of them were caught carrying 1 kg of cannabis.
You as the judge, what would you do? -
Hmmm.. i don't think it's fair to slam S R Nathan like that.
As far as clemency against the death sentence is concerned, the President is constitutionally-bound to follow the cabinet's decision. In other words, whether or not the condemned prisoner is spared the gallows is the cabinet's decision, not the president's. -
The crux of the issue is to prevent the spread of drugs in Singapore.Originally posted by SMAPLionHeart:LIKE IVE SAID,
IF PEOPLE WANT TO TAKE DRUGS,
NO AMOUNT OF THINGS CAN STOP THEM
JUST LIKE CASINO!
GOT IT??
IF PEOPLE WANT TO TAKE DRUGS, YOU THINK JUST BY BLOCKING IT TO COME TO SG WILL STOP?
THEY CAN FLY TO OTHER COUNTRIES AND TAKE IT!
True there is nothing we can do if one day all the teenagers decide to go to overseas to have some drugs. Its their perogative, as far as the Law and Government is concerned, its not in Singapore.[/b] -
In the eyes of the law, everyone is equal. Sentences are not passed based on compassion, but based on the alleged conduct of the defendant.Originally posted by SMAPLionHeart:Each case requires a case to case basis , using compassion to feel it..
Take case A , Person A is a longtime drug smuggler , rich and well off ,
have many mistresses , well known drug smugglers , using his money to commit dirty work in SG... , purchase ferraris and runs a triad of his own..
Take case B , Person B is a 1-time drug smuggler , poor and needs to support his family , blackmailed by smugglers to deliver drugs , faithful and loyal with one wife.... family in deep trouble....knows that
unable to find any alternative...
Both of them were caught carrying 1 kg of cannabis.
You as the judge, what would you do?
There will only be complications if the law is open for comprehension, only then it will be upon the judge to interpret the law and how to apply, but for the case of narcotics, it is very clear. More than the specified amount means the death sentence. -
He acts on the advice, not as ordered.The Elected President has the final say.Originally posted by cornyfish2000:Hmmm.. i don't think it's fair to slam S R Nathan like that.
As far as clemency against the death sentence is concerned, the President is constitutionally-bound to follow the cabinet's decision. In other words, whether or not the condemned prisoner is spared the gallows is the cabinet's decision, not the president's. -
At times like these..you can't help but feel for his sons.
Whether he has committed a crime is moot, the fact is that the State is Killing their father before their very eyes.My prayers are with them and we who have any goodness inside should pray for his two sons.
It's sickening to kill someone because of a presumed future death or loss of lifespan in consuming drugs.This is not even pre-mediated murder, and drugs are not fatal anyway.The death penalty for drug trafficking is ultimately a sinful law and one that must be made illegal worldwide for the mere reason that the actual act of trafficking is not murder.