Phillip Yeo
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Well, he likes to castigate the males of his own nationality, doesn't he? I suppose this makes him a 'wimp' and a 'whiner' himself.
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there was another thread about this. wonder if the administrators wish to put them together.
anyway, Mr Yeo appeared on the news again today and i'm quite disappointed with his reply. this was his opportunity at saving grace and yet he blew it. in the first place, the issue of contention has been hidden and stashed away and will never see the light of day so when he claims that the concerned scholars were being whimpy, we would never be able to tell how true that is, would we? without seeing both sides of the coin, how can we decide who is right on the basis of one sided arguments? in any case, as with most arguments, there will always be two sides and i dun think anyone concerned in the issue is 100% right.
frankly this shouldn't be a big deal and the way it's being handled goes to show just how unsophisticated the protagonists can be.
Mr Yeo hoped to see sky diving individuals but we know in the army the closest thing to that we do is skiving (combine the two words together). if macho men is what he wishes to see and not withery, willowy weaklings, then i'm afraid Mr Yeo is not setting a good example himself.
lastly about the effects of national service. i don't think toughness is an issue. most of us go through fitter, stronger, tougher ... physically and mentally. however in terms of helping us make better decisions, i beg to differ. i mean, army is all about regimentation ... following rules, following orders, accepting the unreasonable ... and after two and a half years of being incacerated the last thing you would hope to see is being treated similarly in a civilian context. -
And a hypocrite to boot.Originally posted by Typhoon:Well, he likes to castigate the males of his own nationality, doesn't he? I suppose this makes him a 'wimp' and a 'whiner' himself.
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The gers scholars shd go thru NS
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Any idea background of Phillio Yeo during his NS period, if he ever served ?Originally posted by Typhoon:Well, he likes to castigate the males of his own nationality, doesn't he? I suppose this makes him a 'wimp' and a 'whiner' himself.
And if ST was quoted right, won't Mr. Yeo's remarks about Singaporean male scholars, would place NS system into question ? I am curious how Mindef would respond to this when the cream of NS high-fliers are being labelled as "whinners"? Assuming most if not all Singaporean male scholars had been thru OCS and held officer rankings in the military, does that mean A*STAR now seek foreigners and females only ?
IMO, Mr Yeo's remarks printed on 15 May ST has unintendedly placed Singapore's brainest military officers integrity into question.
PS: Interesting A*STAR homepage show a trio of pretty-face scholars. Was this coincidental ? -
what did he said?
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What did Yeo said ?Originally posted by I-like-flings(m):what did he said?
Something like THIS
Acidflake's supposed-original post that triggered it all...
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http://www.quitbit_ching.net *
Acidflake's response to A*STAR's threat...
http://www.singapore-window.org/sw05/050505bl.htm
related blog source
http://singaporeangle.blogspot.com/2005/05/straits-times-steps-into-breech-today.html -
life is unfair, we know. but I say, to put such people in power, God is really dead. that guy who is an expert in building IR sums up the mentality of the officialdom and the culture here very well. so matter of factly, its full of despise.
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The way our civil servant like Philip Yeo speaks is a clear sign that all is not well.
It reminds me of how the emperors in ancient dynasties surrounded themselves with certain officers to stage control of the government.
In our case, the same power game appeared to have been deliberately created for the same control purpose. It is just as well that after many years of autocratic governance, the autocracy has learned the art of establishing itself into power conclaves to consolidate authority around lower servants without ministerial status. Such servants will be secretly and unofficially given special seals of authority to do and speak as they like. They can engage in criticizing ministers during special sessions without being reprimanded for insubordination.
The purpose of creating such hidden powers is obviously to preserve a special vestige of power to exclude any potential challenge to authority of the autocracy.
The formal positions like ministers are no longer real powers even though they hold higher official positions. The real powers are deliberately held by certain lower hierachy officers who nevertheless enjoys special privileges and confidences of the emperor himself.
People will not be able to grasp who is finally in control of the government with such hidden authority.
People are no longer able to question the ministers or officers on wrong doings or policies or performance. It is hidden authority that will runs the government over time with the hidden powers placed in the hand of a few who will carry out secret missions to serve the powerful individuals around the emperor who himself is unaccountable for whatever is going on.
The autocracy has apparently polished itself as an autocracy as given such a system the emperor would not have to be accountable to anyone and he is fully in control.
There will be servants out to test the public reactions as such controls or hidden controls is part and parcel of autocracy.
There will be no more formal hierachy and People will have to figure out who are the emperor's favorite servants that is all and be careful not to step on the wrong tails.
Still remember the Chng Hee Kok trying to question how the economy was run etc and how despite his formal higher position in the government he was told off - to resign his MP post if he was not happy at the way it was run.
Even ex-president Ong Teng Cheong was subject to being told off by certain junior servants not to ask too many questions on assets.
This current state of political degradation is precisely why people must speak up in order to act as a check on such wrongful administration and undemocratic practices as posted in the "Defintion of True Democracy" thread.
Do you all want to see more special powers acquired by certain junior non-elected servants to whom people are paying high salaries to serve our interests to engage in power plays as described? -
he's acting as though he's some big shot, i'll laugh my arse off if nobody joins his astar thing and it collapses.
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Put it this way, the cock-ups get worse and worse.One day we might just regret it.A glass facade looks cool, but it never withstands the first knock.But people are afraid to knockit down for fear of scratching themselves.Originally posted by CosmoKing:life is unfair, we know. but I say, to put such people in power, God is really dead. that guy who is an expert in building IR sums up the mentality of the officialdom and the culture here very well. so matter of factly, its full of despise.
The worse alternative is a glass wall that hinders our progress.
A*Star is a blardy joke.And whatever statements it has made has already indirectly said all of MINDEF is a fool.Unelected officials must be put into their place. 
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hhahaha.. say they are good also them, say they are sissy also them.. what they wan?? so when can we have some foreign talent to be our MP??? i bet they are cheaper and SMARTER too.
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Did u read the lady scholar's quote on Sunday Times....kaoz....
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Biatch.Keep her away from the camps.Originally posted by deathscythe99:Did u read the lady scholar's quote on Sunday Times....kaoz....
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She has no idea what she just said.....Originally posted by LazerLordz:Biatch.Keep her away from the camps. -
Biatch.Keep her away from the camps.Originally posted by deathscythe99:Did u read the lady scholar's quote on Sunday Times....kaoz.... Scholar?My balls hurt man.. -
To think a sad human specimen like this is enjoying a $900K scholarship, paid with the taxes of our male citizens too..Originally posted by deathscythe99:She has no idea what she just said.....
Something has to be done, she does not deserve a scholarship.What kind of a person would take public money so shamelessly and kick the guys who gave up 2.5 yrs of their life to contribute to the safe environment she grew up in, just so that she can fly to Illinois and come back to scrape and lick balls? -
Obviously she does not understand the circumstances which guys undergo during the 2.5 (or now, 2) years stint in National Service. An unexplored perspective definitely open to them. Something which the girls may not understand unless they go through it. And it ain't something which you can understand by "word of mouth" or "My brother said....blah blah blah..."
Sad indeed, to hear a fellow scholar condemning her fellow counterpart, albeit with a hint of feminism in it. I was a little incensed on reading her remarks...Who has not complained when undergoing the tough training? All those 'useless' trainings and the numerous exercises and torture one has to undergo?
The only torture such a lady as her has to undergo is the torture of wearing heels and carrying a laptop in business wear.
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honestly, the issue discussed on the scholars who are whimpy
or not is not our say, since i have not direct contact w these people..
but as i read philip yeos remarks, kinda make me laugh...
it reminds me of my personal experience in an ST subsidary...
the managment used hardline styles...
in the end.. they can only make the substandard foriegn engineers stay...
and the better ones, local or foriegn would choose to go elsewhere...
thou the management is eager to get things running...
such styles can only impress those higher in the management chain,
when they need people to run the show...
as long as they have $$$ to pump, any result is a result...
be it good or bad....
... well.. of cos in this case its slightly diff...
since its abt scholarships w national responsibility...
however, isn't a scholarship like a contract?
im sure the contract will state the consequences of breaking a bond...
perhaps in the form of monetary pay back... thats it...?!?
why make such a bug fuss?
besides, im sure these bond-breakers are individual higher-flyers
who believe they can reach higher grounds wo the bond...
whether they lost the integrity of serving the bond with a national responsibilty...its not our say...
if the govenrment cant win their heart,
do u think they will stay and serve well?
i understand that the stakes and expectation are high for AStar,
and i must say there seemed to be some progress since the days of seggregated uni-linked institutions..
as lest superficial thru the media in attracting and glamourising
the R&D industry...
(ps: myself in the R&D enginering industry....)
however, i feel that some things still are lacking...
...next time then say... diff topic.... -
Sigh.To go in-depth about this whole Philip Yeo, A*Star and feminist "sekolah" biatch saga would give me a migraine and a hard time sleeping.Not to mention wasting coffee staying up.Originally posted by NuLife:honestly, the issue discussed on the scholars who are whimpy
or not is not our say, since i have not direct contact w these people..
but as i read philip yeos remarks, kinda make me laugh...
it reminds me of my personal experience in an ST subsidary...
the managment used hardline styles...
in the end.. they can only make the substandard foriegn engineers stay...
and the better ones, local or foriegn would choose to go elsewhere...
thou the management is eager to get things running...
such styles can only impress those higher in the management chain,
when they need people to run the show...
as long as they have $$$ to pump, any result is a result...
be it good or bad....
... well.. of cos in this case its slightly diff...
since its abt scholarships w national responsibility...
however, isn't a scholarship like a contract?
im sure the contract will state the consequences of breaking a bond...
perhaps in the form of monetary pay back... thats it...?!?
why make such a bug fuss?
besides, im sure these bond-breakers are individual higher-flyers
who believe they can reach higher grounds wo the bond...
whether they lost the integrity of serving the bond with a national responsibilty...its not our say...
if the govenrment cant win their heart,
do u think they will stay and serve well?
i understand that the stakes and expectation are high for AStar,
and i must say there seemed to be some progress since the days of seggregated uni-linked institutions..
as lest superficial thru the media in attracting and glamourising
the R&D industry...
(ps: myself in the R&D enginering industry....)
however, i feel that some things still are lacking...
...next time then say... diff topic....
These fellows are just not worth my time.I disagree with A*Star's stance and I am GLAD I'm not one of their scholars.The truly successful make their own destiny, and I believe in that.
A*Star could have been better, but some paths have no u-turn sign. -
On the issue of blaming the male scholars...
I feel there r a few things to consider:
1) Blaming all makes just bcos of a few bond breakers?
Does philip yeo need to make such big fuss over a few bond breakers
and blame all male scholars?
Im sure there are more reasons behind these...
Blaming does not solve the real problems.
of cos i may not know enuf to say....
but such hardline tactics will not help as well....
2) NS make guys whimpers?
This i personally agree.
My 2 yrs in NS is something i wish my son would not go thru.
not bcos its not good or bad, but its not worth it.
... n also defly not bocs it affect me too much and make me a whiner..
but what i see that effect most people and society...
In a way, NS has too much effect to spore society...
some pros some cons...
Wrt to character building, experiences, and indirect effects to society,
i personally feel theres more cons...
Its just a place where u feel the government control
and presence at its most 'glorious' manner.
Where the scholars/officers control and the other lower
ranks people follows or whine just to get away....
Its just a too unheathly place to spent ur 2 prime yrs of your live...
esp when it is a forced one... -
i agree with him...scholars should not deem it their rights to have the public funding their studies...it's their priviledges...they should repay the public for paying for their education...not work towards their own selfish gains...some even have the cheeks to appear on paper to whine...Mr Yeo is not whining...he is just lamenting on the pathetic state Singaporean youth have degraded intoOriginally posted by Typhoon:Well, he likes to castigate the males of his own nationality, doesn't he? I suppose this makes him a 'wimp' and a 'whiner' himself. -
Please do not put him on a pedestal.Has anyone already forgotten how he tried to pull state power over the poor blogger?Seems to me that this is just a method of agitating people so that they will be enraged about this lesser issue that the previous one.Originally posted by bratpig:i agree with him...scholars should not deem it their rights to have the public funding their studies...it's their priviledges...they should repay the public for paying for their education...not work towards their own selfish gains...some even have the cheeks to appear on paper to whine...Mr Yeo is not whining...he is just lamenting on the pathetic state Singaporean youth have degraded into
Agent provocatuer..the lady is.Trust the daily ST these days.. I dare not. -
hey.... i thought she is too bad looking...Originally posted by deathscythe99:Did u read the lady scholar's quote on Sunday Times....kaoz....
an intellect w looks ;p... -
i do not agree nor disagree...Originally posted by bratpig:i agree with him...scholars should not deem it their rights to have the public funding their studies...it's their priviledges...they should repay the public for paying for their education...not work towards their own selfish gains...some even have the cheeks to appear on paper to whine...Mr Yeo is not whining...he is just lamenting on the pathetic state Singaporean youth have degraded into
its just his style that i disagree....
dunno astar's scholars standard to say....
while perhaps they can study well....
research is also about innovation, perserverance
and a certain x-factor + experience w real industry trends...
producing papers does not equate to jobs and profit...
it only means burning more of public's money....