tipping in singapore restaurants?
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Do you think it's feasible to implement the American system of tipping in restaurants in Singapore? (Excluding fast food outlets, since there isn't that much service as compared to the service in restaurants where the waiter hands you the menu, takes your order and brings your food & bill to you).
Currently in Singapore, tipping is not illegal but officially discouraged. The result of this is the increasingly abysmal service standards in Singapore, as imposing a standard service charge encourages lousy service – if servers are not going to get more money by devoting extra time and attention to customers, they probably will not bother doing so.
Recently. there have been a spate of complaints from members of the public regarding negligent waiters and the poor standard of service in Singapore in general. Therefore, should the Singapore government reconsider its no-tipping policy in keeping with its movement toward providing a more service-orientated industry which will reflect well on Singapore, especially as it seeks to attract more tourists? -
tip only when they provide good service.
which in most cases don't happen.
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But the point is to implement the tipping policy so as to encourage good service among waiters/waitresses, especially since there have been a number of complaints about the low standard of service in Singapore. By having a tipping ure, waiters/waitresses will be encouraged to provide better service.Originally posted by kopiosatu:tip only when they provide good service.
which in most cases don't happen. -
then again you have to understand the singapore working culture.Originally posted by sosa:But the point is to implement the tipping policy so as to encourage good service among waiters/waitresses, especially since there have been a number of complaints about the low standard of service in Singapore. By having a tipping ure, waiters/waitresses will be encouraged to provide better service.
no one wants to do extra. only a few will give that extra mile.
and in singapore, it will take some time before tipping becomes a normal procedure because for those who put that extra mile and not get tipped will feel crappy.
its worth a try though -
x2Originally posted by kopiosatu:tip only when they provide good service.
which in most cases don't happen. -
The idea is to give waiters a lower basic wage, such that they are compelled to supplement their minimal income by providing good service and earning tips as such.Originally posted by kopiosatu:then again you have to understand the singapore working ure.
no one wants to do extra. only a few will give that extra mile.
and in singapore, it will take some time before tipping becomes a normal procedure because for those who put that extra mile and not get tipped will feel crappy.
its worth a try though
Of course, there is the argument that Singaporeans are stingy or not willing to tip for good service. However, like you said, it's worth a try. Recent charity events have shown that Singaporeans can actually be quite generous, and if the tipping system is introduced in place of the standard 10% service charge, I'm sure more customers would be willing to tip in accordance to the service they received. -
Singaporeans are SELECTIVELY generous.
I would be generous if I could hope and win a friggin car or plasma TV set with just a few phonecalls.
I would be generous if my favourite idol was on tv begging for money and at the end of the month my parents end up paying for my overzealous support.
The idea is worth a try, but the mentality of Singaporeans might have a chance of stifling the effort.
Then again with all the claims that we're being too westernised, who knows? -
i dun tip for those who oredi charge 10% SERVICE CHARGE to the bill
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Make tipping an optional effort and then, every suckers here in singapore thinks their service is Fucked up.
Make tipping a compulsory chore and every mother Fuckers here in singapore will KBKB...
Don't implement this tipping culture, every Fuckers on this damn island will complain that the economy is bad.
WHAT THE F.U.C.K. DO SOME OF THESE CHEE BAIS SUCKERS WANTS???!!! -
Did you take your medication today?Originally posted by The Emperor:Make tipping an optional effort and then, every suckers here in singapore thinks their service is Fucked up.
Make tipping a compulsory chore and every mother Fuckers here in singapore will KBKB...
Don't implement this tipping culture, every Fuckers on this damn island will complain that the economy is bad.
WHAT THE F.U.C.K. DO SOME OF THESE CHEE BAIS SUCKERS WANTS???!!! -
No. But if I have, it will still be the same thing said. Except that there won't be any vulgarities.Originally posted by LazerLordz:Did you take your medication today? 
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No, the rationale is to remove the fixed 10% service charge and replace it with tipping in proportion to the service the customer receives.Originally posted by FireIce:i dun tip for those who oredi charge 10% SERVICE CHARGE to the bill
Of course, this is subjective as what is considered 'good' service varies from person to person. Still, it is a plausible method to improve the overall standard of service in Singapore as waiters will have more incentive to provide good service, and if customers receive excellent service, they will be more than happy to leave a substantial tip, as opposed to being "forced" to pay a standard 10% service charge regardless of the standard of service they received in the course of dining. -
Just curious, what exactly do you mean? I'm not sure if I understood that correctly, but are you implying that Singaporeans think that the standard 10% service charge is helping to "boost" the economy?Originally posted by The Emperor:Don't implement this tipping ure, every ers on this damn island will complain that the economy is bad.
"Tipping vs not tipping" is not really an issue of the country's economy really. The rationale behind implementing tipping is fundamentally to raise the standard of service in Singapore. This in turn may lead to a change in foreigners' perceptions of Singapore as a fixed/cold/hard/stingy country. Of course, mindsets are hard to change but you've got to start somewhere. This may then give the tourism industry a boost, but we must still bear in mind that the basic reason for tipping is to improve the overall standard of service by providing an incentive for waiters to serve customers better. Therefore it only directly concerns the waiters' income, not the country's economy per se (although this obviously will be affected in the long run). -
10% service charge, 5% gst, 1% cess and so many hidden costs and stupid prices like $2.00 for peanuts in somne restaurents, with most only moderate service, lets just say then 10% compulsory servoce charge should be made optional to patrons
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I think it is how we, the society looks at jobs like waiters etc.... we look upon them as part time jobs, jobs for the lower educated, jobs for students, jobs for foreigners. If we look at countries like in Europe, Waiters take pride in their job because they are paid reasonably well and people respect theirs as a profession like any other profession.
I think there is bad service because these people do not look upon these jobs as 'careers' or 'professions'. Maybe if we change our attitudes towards these jobs, and that means employers should play their part too. -
Originally posted by sosa:
erm, u work in f&b industry ah?
No, the rationale is to [b]remove the fixed 10% service charge and replace it with tipping in proportion to the service the customer receives.
Of course, this is subjective as what is considered 'good' service varies from person to person. Still, it is a plausible method to improve the overall standard of service in Singapore as waiters will have more incentive to provide good service, and if customers receive excellent service, they will be more than happy to leave a substantial tip, as opposed to being "forced" to pay a standard 10% service charge regardless of the standard of service they received in the course of dining.[/b]
and y must we care abt how foriegners(i assume u mean angmo) tink about us.... we have our own culture also.... we dont have to everything follow them rite? -
Originally posted by sosa:
true... but why bother to start when the people's mindset refuses to change?
Just curious, what exactly do you mean? I'm not sure if I understood that correctly, but are you implying that Singaporeans think that the standard 10% service charge is helping to "boost" the economy?
"Tipping vs not tipping" is not really an issue of the country's economy really. The rationale behind implementing tipping is fundamentally to [b]raise the standard of service in Singapore. This in turn may lead to a change in foreigners' perceptions of Singapore as a fixed/cold/hard/stingy country. Of course, mindsets are hard to change but you've got to start somewhere. This may then give the tourism industry a boost, but we must still bear in mind that the basic reason for tipping is to improve the overall standard of service by providing an incentive for waiters to serve customers better. Therefore it only directly concerns the waiters' income, not the country's economy per se (although this obviously will be affected in the long run).[/b]
since they're so narrowminded and selfish in their giving, what makes u think that tipping will not waste anybody's time and energy worrying or frowning in giving a small part of their $$$ to others who would simply put those generous offerings into their fantasy pockets that will never seem to exist??
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i'm opposed to the 10% charge, since i really don't see why i should pay for such rotten service and with the very high chance that someone would have "modified" my food where i cannot see
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I did some waitering job before, and ppl in Sg DO tip. Its just not very widespread. And most of the time, the manager or senior staff swallow the tip money and it does not get filtered down to the newer junior staff and part time staff.
So your advantages of tipping probably does not extend to most of the waiters and waitresses since most are part time.
Another thing is that, once tipping is implemented, it becomes expected. Its no longer an incentive but mandatory, and if you refuse to comply, expect them to show you the meaning of disgruntled behaviour.
Do you notice whenever you go on tours overseas, at the end of the tour, the tour guide will collect tips for the driver? A friend of mine went on a tour to Korea, bt upon reaching there, his wife fell sick and had to stay in the hotel thru out the holiday, with him with her. Therefore, other than the trip to the hotel and the airport, they never sat the tour bus to go anywhere else. They even had to find their own way to a clinic for medical consultation. At the end of it, the driver still demanded tips from them.
Right now you assume that you can give tips only when the service is good, but how sure are you that this policy won't be abused?
For wedding dinners, it is usually the custom to give tips to the staff of restaurant. At the end of the one I attended, they had the cheek to approach the groom and give him an empty red packet and tell him that tips is 20% of the dinner cost. Their service was rather bad and they even forgot the roasted pig!
Perhaps we can find other means to improve our service quality rather than tips? -
Thank you so much for your constructive feedback (: You've brought up several pertinent points regarding "mandatory" tipping and assumptious waiters. Still, I feel that some Singaporeans may prefer to tip in accordance to the service they get; and will be more than happy to give a substantial tip if they receive good service rather than having to pay a standard service charge regardless of service quality. This is a form of progression toward a more friendly, compassionate society isn't it? (:Originally posted by SilverPal:I did some waitering job before, and ppl in Sg DO tip. Its just not very widespread. And most of the time, the manager or senior staff swallow the tip money and it does not get filtered down to the newer junior staff and part time staff.
So your advantages of tipping probably does not extend to most of the waiters and waitresses since most are part time.
Another thing is that, once tipping is implemented, it becomes expected. Its no longer an incentive but mandatory, and if you refuse to comply, expect them to show you the meaning of disgruntled behaviour.
Do you notice whenever you go on tours overseas, at the end of the tour, the tour guide will collect tips for the driver? A friend of mine went on a tour to Korea, bt upon reaching there, his wife fell sick and had to stay in the hotel thru out the holiday, with him with her. Therefore, other than the trip to the hotel and the airport, they never sat the tour bus to go anywhere else. They even had to find their own way to a clinic for medical consultation. At the end of it, the driver still demanded tips from them.
Right now you assume that you can give tips only when the service is good, but how sure are you that this policy won't be abused?
For wedding dinners, it is usually the custom to give tips to the staff of restaurant. At the end of the one I attended, they had the cheek to approach the groom and give him an empty red packet and tell him that tips is 20% of the dinner cost. Their service was rather bad and they even forgot the roasted pig!
Perhaps we can find other means to improve our service quality rather than tips?
Also, as the government seeks to make Singapore more service-oriented and famed for having quality tertiary industries, this is one way of improving service. A rise in service standards may also make Singapore a more pleasant place to live in! -
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