Frontline - HDB not rebuilding two blocks in Holland V
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the old man steady ah, scold HDB.
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Which two blocks are these?Originally posted by crazy monkey:the old man steady ah, scold HDB. -
Block 20, 21 of Holland Drive. My friend living in Block 20. Resigning to fate while his neighbours whole day bang table... lim swee say ask them to go for lift upgrade instead... wat is this?!?!?!?!?!?!? Bey-Piao?!?!? Consolation Prize?Originally posted by iveco:Which two blocks are these? -
the two block value going to drop a lot really pity the residentsOriginally posted by SOP:Block 20, 21 of Holland Drive. My friend living in Block 20. Resigning to fate while his neighbours whole day bang table... lim swee say ask them to go for lift upgrade instead... wat is this?!?!?!?!?!?!? Bey-Piao?!?!? Consolation Prize?
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Wasted.. Holland V is quite a nice place to stay
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HDB got money for billion dollar headquarter no $$ to rebuild two blocks
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Yeah man, got to be Feng Shui at work again... Else really no meaning to leave 2 point blocks surrounded by 4 40-stories high blocks. Looks like positioning Joss Sticks like that... WTH?!?!?!?!?!?!Originally posted by crazy monkey:HDB got money for billion dollar headquarter no $$ to rebuild two blocks -
The argument is flawed.
It is cheaper to tear down Blk 20 and Blk 21 and acquired the piece of land that is as big as those occupied by the other 6 blocks (2 point blocks, 4 slab blocks).
Why tear down 6 blocks and not just 2 blocks?
By tearing down the 6 blocks, they need to tear down the community club and the Buona Vista HDB branch office as well, in order to settle the affected residents.
HDB should consider the big piece of land nearby (vacated by SERS Blk19 and Blk1
Blk20 and Blk21, when it went back to the drawing table last month. That piece of land is just as exclusive. It is not fair to just solely compute the sums based only on the land areas occupied by Blk20 and Blk21.
HDB should have revamped the Holland Drive SERS, rather than just simply consider a replacement block currently occupied by Blk20 and Blk21.
I'm not sure if MUP is their next best alternative. MUP had already lost its charm. Just look across the road, they would know that Blk 2 and Blk 4 still undergoing upgrading since 2002!
FYI, the worker party is working on the ground last Sunday. Saw them selling the hammers in Holland Drive and Ghim Moh markets. Why not, the GRC has not been contested for 2 terms, and none of the MPs (except Mr Teo Ho Pin) had ever contested. Moreover we have ministers who supported the integrated resorts. And having so many localised issues, the transport woes in Bukit Panjang, the unhapiness over SERS and upgrading progress, I am curious to know the support level here.
For those who had followed the story, HDB argued that all options have been considered:
a. Build 40 storeys with 6 units per floor, or
b. Build 40 storeys with 8 units per floor, or
c. Build 40 storeys with underground carpark, or
d. Sold the piece of land to private developers.
None of the above options enable HDB to recover the sums and compensations to Blk20 and Blk21 residents.
But shouldn't HDB consider:
a. the losses (close to 100k) per household?
b. the inconveniences suffered by the residents?
c. the intangible gains in higher selling prices for the new flats? Having 2 old blocks spoit the sights.
As what the residents may have observed, the authorities just (fu1 yan3 liao3 shi4). Allowing the residents to go to the media, having the HDB to return to the drawing table, having a closed door meeting with MP, ultimately they may be disgusted by the facts that the affected residents pressured them with media intervention. Heeding their suggestions may only open flood gate for more other precincts doing the same thing (what Mr Lim had mentioned). -
One of the blocks is mine.
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is Goh Meng Seng there or not ?Originally posted by iamgoondu:FYI, the worker party is working on the ground last Sunday. Saw them selling the hammers in Holland Drive and Ghim Moh markets. Why not, the GRC has not been contested for 2 terms, and none of the MPs (except Mr Teo Ho Pin) had ever contested. Moreover we have ministers who supported the integrated resorts. And having so many localised issues, the transport woes in Bukit Panjang, the unhapiness over SERS and upgrading progress, I am curious to know the support level here.
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Hmm, Goh Meng Seng MIA from this board for damn long already. Must be really busy, I guess.Originally posted by crazy monkey:is Goh Meng Seng there or not ? 
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the casino issue is oredi dead. wats he busy wif. lets hope he is not pick up by ISDOriginally posted by iveco:Hmm, Goh Meng Seng MIA from this board for damn long already. Must be really busy, I guess. -
I'm sure he is making productive use of his timeOriginally posted by crazy monkey:the casino issue is oredi dead. wats he busy wif. lets hope he is not pick up by ISD Anyway, Bukit Panjang seems to me a good place for some contest lol. -
I think this GE Lim Swee Say will switch ward, may be go saferward such as Tanjung Pagar GRC bcos he cant settle the 2 blocks issue, the residents of these 2 blocks will give him a tough time in the coming election which will be held after the Presidential electionOriginally posted by LazerLordz:I'm sure he is making productive use of his time Anyway, Bukit Panjang seems to me a good place for some contest lol. -
But the residents of the 6 blocks who benefited from the Upgrade will vote for him for sure. The odds are still in his favor although nearby blocks opposite the food center will also complain cos' recently they kpkb abt the pace of their upgrading that is taking too long liao...Originally posted by t_a_s:I think this GE Lim Swee Say will switch ward, may be go saferward such as Tanjung Pagar GRC bcos he cant settle the 2 blocks issue, the residents of these 2 blocks will give him a tough time in the coming election which will be held after the Presidential election -
Tanjong pagar could be riskier if lky decided to call it a day. Any minister in tp other than lky? There are probably more lower income voters in tp than in bp.Originally posted by t_a_s:I think this GE Lim Swee Say will switch ward, may be go saferward such as Tanjung Pagar GRC bcos he cant settle the 2 blocks issue, the residents of these 2 blocks will give him a tough time in the coming election which will be held after the Presidential election -
Any MP who keeps quiet while HDB goes about demolishing or rebuilding any blocks that discriminates against them, is simply not supportable, whether minister or not, period.
Residents who elected him or presumably elected him at the last elections are human. They will want him to represent their vital interest. He has failed them completely.
Residents of blocks 20, and 21 are sacrificed in the SER. There is no reason to sacrifice any one's interest when a group of other residents are given the benefits. Equity principle expects such discriminated residents to have some forms of compensation if indeed they suffer property devaluation.
It is as simple as this - give the residents some compensation. -
Lim SS already did. He offered them lift upgrade. Its tiring banging tables whole day at the void deck. It would be nice when you reached your hse the moment the lift door opens. Else its very tiring to climb the stairs, even to the 2nd storey...Originally posted by robertteh:It is as simple as this - give the residents some compensation. 
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\Originally posted by robertteh:Any MP who keeps quiet while HDB goes about demolishing or rebuilding any blocks that discriminates against them, is simply not supportable, whether minister or not, period.
Residents who elected him or presumably elected him at the last elections are human. They will want him to represent their vital interest. He has failed them completely.
Residents of blocks 20, and 21 are sacrificed in the SER. There is no reason to sacrifice any one's interest when a group of other residents are given the benefits. Equity principle expects such discriminated residents to have some forms of compensation if indeed they suffer property devaluation.
It is as simple as this - give the residents some compensation.
Yes.Whether the MP is a minister or just a plain legislator does not count when he has not spoken up for the residents and make even the smallest representation on their behalf in Parliament.
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Thought MBT would like to expedite the LUP for every single hdb blocks in 10 years? Even without the enbloc, the 2 blocks will still get the lift upgrade.Originally posted by SOP:Lim SS already did. He offered them lift upgrade. Its tiring banging tables whole day at the void deck. It would be nice when you reached your hse the moment the lift door opens. Else its very tiring to climb the stairs, even to the 2nd storey...
Moreover I always thought MUP includes lift upgrade? Those 2 blocks are not segmented blocks. Thus if they vote for MUP, they would still get lifts to stop on all floors.
These 2 blocks are more than 33yo, it already qualifies for MUP or LUP (or rather they are long overdued) even with no new replacement flats at their door steps.
Looking around the neighbourhood (dover, buona vista and ghim moh)
All blocks in Dovers are either en-bloc or upgraded.
All blocks in GM are upgraded except for 4 (?) blocks.
All blocks in Commonwealth were upgraded.
All blocks in BV are upgraded or en-bloc except for 2 blocks (14? storeys) in Holland Close and 8 blocks (4 storeys) in Holland Dive.
They probably have big plans for those remaining flats.
Thus it's only a matter of time that those 2 blocks would have their MUP or LUP. Are the 2 blocks getting free MUP? Else I do not see any benefits the residents despite having their backyards occupied by new blocks and having their valuations sinking.
Just hope that the assumption that valuation would not be adversely affected by new replacement flats at doorsteps is true. Else one should not entertain the housing agent that appear on the program (first part) who claims that their valuation could be enhanced by a newer and enhanced living neighbourhood instead.