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what do you guys think of that corby case? sometimes i feel indonesians are ungrateful bastards..one minute they beg for aid another they over-punish foreigners...
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The australians also abit guo fen. In the midst of the case, they start thier racial attacks on Indonesians living in Oz. Was reported in the late news yesterday.
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If i were an Aussie, I'll probably be consumed with nationalism n condemn the Indonesians.
However, if u sit down n think rationally thru, u cant blame the Indonesians for bringing down their arm of law on her. This is similar to the Michael Faye case where Americans were pissed with SG for punishing their citizen. Even the President was pressured to ask for leniency.
As far as the case is going, Corby unfortunately hasnt gotten any proof tt someone else sneaked the marijuanna into her surfbag. So she remains the sole guilty suspect.
Personally, I do believe her side of the story, afterall, Indonesia doesnt have an acceptable crime-busting record.
At least her case has woken the world up. All tourists to safeguard their luggage when travelling, esp relatively lawless nations. -
Doesn't mean that if inside the bag contains marijuana means that the person is exactly smuggling it.
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No.. but the problem is.. how are u going to prove tt U r not the one smuggling n tt someone else had use u as a scapegoat? It's very difficult to find evidence, trace the events n pinpoint the actual culprit.Originally posted by SMAPLionHeart:Doesn't mean that if inside the bag contains marijuana means that the person is exactly smuggling it.
In short, Corby is in serious sh|t. Indon is in political sh|t for their resolve to adhere to their judicial system is conflicting with their r/s with Canberra. Aust is also in deep sh|t deep to growing pressures from it's own angered pple. Things r being blown out of proportion. I envision news coverage of pple burning effigies real soon. -
An Indonesian named restaurant in Perth run by Oz locals have threats sent to them that they'll get firebombed soon.
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Er...Yes it does. It was illegal to bring it in, she had 9 pounds in her bag, and she tried to bring it in.Originally posted by SMAPLionHeart:Doesn't mean that if inside the bag contains marijuana means that the person is exactly smuggling it.
Yes sounds suspicious that someone would be dumb enough to try and bring 9 pounds in, but hey, there world doesn't lack for fools. Just go to singapore and you see plenty (haha). Also, remember that indonesia has a bustling tourist drugs trade. She is unemployed + has visited indonesia many times b4, each for short periods of time. -
Oh wow.. it's not surprising.. Asian eatries have always been targeted by racists. Embers have always been there. JUz tt this issue has fanned the flames.Originally posted by ditzy:An Indonesian named restaurant in Perth run by Oz locals have threats sent to them that they'll get firebombed soon. -
At least she is not going to die for her nine pounds, unlike Shanmugum Murugesu, who died for a few ounces.
We have an Australian on Changi death row too.Just because he is held in Singapore, does it mean Australia has given up any hope?Or do are their citizens unaware or already resigned to the fact that he will hang?
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The laws of the land must be respected. If that Aussie women were caught in Singapore, I support the death sentence to be handed out as if she were a local. What's good for the goose is good for the gander...
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It makes no business sense to bring in such a large amount of ganja into Bali because such drugs are available so cheaply there. The smuggler will be making a loss if he ever did so. Why didn't the Indons ever consider this factor? Did their blind faith in their religion result in them having the IQ of pigs? Don't forget Abu Bakar Bashir's hands are dripping with blood and he has not faced any capital charges.
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anyone saw the New Paper report on Corby. She is not as innocent as some ppl think.
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Who thinks she's really innocent?
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The West Australian newspaper that is my window to the outside world.Originally posted by alexkusu:Who thinks she's really innocent? -
Drug case:
Rage or racism
Australians' anger against Jakarta supported by government leaders.
May 29, 2005
(Background) A drug smuggling case that has created anger across Australia. A 27-year-old Australian woman was found guilty of trying to bring nine pounds of marijuana into Bali and was sentenced to 20 years in prison.
The reading of the verdict, to a packed courtroom in Bali, was carried live on Australian television and radio.
The three judges who heard the case could have sentenced the defendant, Schapelle Corby, to be executed, a fate met by many foreigners convicted of drug offences in Indonesia and other Southeast Asian countries.
Ms Corby claims the marijuana, which customs officials found in her luggage when she landed in Denpassar last October, had been put there by baggage handlers during her flight, which began in Brisbane and transited through Sydney.
Reactions (excerpts):
New York Times
Southeast Asian countries have strict drug laws, and airport signs, arrival cards and announcements by airlines, warn travellers about the consequences of being caught with drugs.
Trials of foreigners on drug charges are routine, and the imposition of death sentences for the convicted are not exceptional.
Ms. Corby's supporters included the Australian government, which paid part of her defence, leading to accusations that Australia was interfering in the Indonesian judicial system in a way that Australians would never tolerate another country doing in their own country.
The Australian
Underlying the "hysteria" and "Indonesia-bashing," is a tinge of racism, and a disdainful view of Indonesia as a country of corrupt politicians and Islamic terrorists, said The Australian.
The Sydney Morning Herald
It said Prime Minister John Howard and opposition Labour party leader Kim Beazley "are pandering to Australian public opinion."
If the Indonesian public and officials acted in a similar manner were an Indonesia on trial in Australia, Australians "would be insulted and angry - no, outraged," the editorial said.
Australian foreign minister Alexander Downer.
He announced that the government would send lawyers to help Corby with her appeal and was discussing a prisoner swap with Indonesia that would allow Corby to serve her sentence in Australia.
Tim Lindsey, professor of Asian law, director of the Asian Law Centre at the University of Melbourne. Sydney Morning Herald
Lindsey wrote that Australians' support for the high-profile defendant is based on damaging double standards, in what would otherwise be a relatively unremarkable drugs trial in a foreign country.
It has now become the major national story in Australia and (she) has become a martyr figureh wrote, adding:
"Popular reaction to the trial - supporting Schapelle Corby and demonising Indonesia, for the most part - has become so extreme that it is now a national political issue.
"This public pressure has pushed the Federal Government into
unprecedented intervention on behalf of an Australian overseas..
"The support she has received appears far in excess of what has been provided in the past to other citizens facing drugs charges and the death penalty, including ethnic Asian Australians arrested in Vietnam.
"The Government response reflects the popular hysteria in Australia asserting Corby's innocence and condemning Indonesia: she is obviously innocent and the Indonesian system is obviously pathetic; their judicial system stinks; I will never travel to Bali again. The sense of
aggressive certainty in these assertions is disturbing, for several reasons.
"First, it is based on a conviction of Corby's innocence that leaves no room for a judicial proceeding that will examine the evidence and conceivably come up with a different view.
"Instead, it assumes the system must be at fault, and so Indonesia's very different and emergent civil law judiciary has been grossly misrepresented and demonised.
"Second, the popular pro-Corby position is so uncompromising and emotive that it portrays any alternative view as the product of malice or stupidity.
"..In the process, rationality begins to suffer; so does policy and, in this case, our image in the region. The death penalty - rejected in Australia decades ago - is a good example of this.
"It is proper for Australia to oppose the death penalty overseas, and in particular when it is imposed on Australian citizens, but we now have a credibility problem in doing so in Indonesia.
"When Bali bombers Amrozi, Muhklas and Imam Samudra were sentenced to death by the same court that is trying Corby, this was widely celebrated here.
"Some Australians offered to pull the trigger or burn them alive, and our Government indicating that execution was appropriate.
"In light of this, how can our Government now claim that death is a barbaric punishment, as popular opinion has it, if it is imposed on Corby or, as is more likely, the Bali nine?
"The double standard on the death penalty feeds South-East Asian anxieties about neo-colonial, arrogant and racist attitudes in Australia and perceptions that we are the insular and xenophobic white tribe of Asia.
"There is a lesson to be learnt from this: what happens in Indonesia directly affects Australians. Whether it is war, terrorism, trials or tsunamis, Australians will always be part of what happens to our near north.
"It is time we focused more on building links, on repairing the catastrophic decline in Indonesian studies and language skills in Australia and engaging, rather than demonising and shunning, a neighbour, just because it has an Australian on trial."
May 29, 2005
Above from littlespeck.com -
The past 2 weeks keep seeing her on yahoo.com.au, sibeh sian leh. Primetime news also, nonstop about her.
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Of course mah. You are in Queensland, and Corby is a Queenslander. Coverage in WA is less exclusive.Originally posted by ditzy:The past 2 weeks keep seeing her on yahoo.com.au, sibeh sian leh. Primetime news also, nonstop about her. -
next time all drug smugglers can claim somebody put drugs into their baggage and claim innocenceOriginally posted by alexkusu:Who thinks she's really innocent? -
The tsunami aid and drug smuggling cases should never have been connected or cross-referenced. They were two totally different cases at two totally different levels.
Furthermore, when we help someone, we do so for the sake of helping (friendship reasons, humanitarian reasons, etc.). If we help someone with the intention to get something back, then its not a help - instead, its a prepayment or bribe. I feel it inappropriate to say "we gave you aid, so we can control your laws".
Over-sentencing is very subjective. I can understand that 20 years can seem harsh to many countries. But then again, she could've been sentenced to death or life imprisonment (which she was not).
With the limited information, we cannot decisively conclude whether anyone is guilty or not. But as a frequent traveller, I know for sure that if there were an extra 4.1 kg weight in my luggage, I'd notice it in a second (not to mention the space would occupy). 4.1 kg does make an obvious and immediate difference when you try to lift it up!
Any frequent traveller would know how to lock their check-in luggages after they pack it....and never to leave their hand-luggages (or any other luggage) unattended. I know full well that if anyone slipped anything in my luggage, I would have to take the responsiblity.
It doesn't really look like a framing case to me too. If it were, the party framing her would not use 4.1 kg of drugs (because its expensive!....and because he would be risking her finding out when she lifts her bags).
If it was someone using her as a courier (unknowingly to her), then it would probably be more sensible the other way around (carrying drugs back home). The person using her would want to get the drugs back....and this is easier done when in your home country (they can track her to her residence address). Its not easy to track a tourist in a foreign country....so trying to get back whats put in a tourist's bag is a gamble when the tourist is in another country (seems like too expensive a gamble in this case). -
I wonder what was Qantas response..since it was claimed Qantas baggage handlers was involved.
also wasnt there an Asian guy detained as well? He was nicknamed The Godfather...and he was studyin in OZ as well.. -
donate money and now complain ? they can take back the $$ and shove it up their a.s.s. Why shd foreigners be treated differently ? wake up ur farking idea.Originally posted by vito_corleone:what do you guys think of that corby case? sometimes i feel indonesians are ungrateful bastards..one minute they beg for aid another they over-punish foreigners... -
TV news showed Corby receiving sentence in an Indonesian court. Immediately after sentencing, her family (who were seated at the front row nearest to the judges) stood up and shouted at them in protest.
What would happen if it was the other way around?
ie....Indonesian charged in Australian court, found guilty, Indonesian family stands up and shouts at the judges.... -
they are lucky the judge neber jail them for contempt of courtOriginally posted by gentlerock:TV news showed Corby receiving sentence in an Indonesian court. Immediately after sentencing, her family (who were seated at the front row nearest to the judges) stood up and shouted at them in protest.
What would happen if it was the other way around?
ie....Indonesian charged in Australian court, found guilty, Indonesian family stands up and shouts at the judges.... -
Yeah! I've been to the local courts before a few times (not me being charged hor?Originally posted by crazy monkey:they are lucky the judge neber jail them for contempt of court ).
In the higher level courts, there are policemen on duty and even if you cross your leg, they will come and tell you to sit properly. And when addressing the judge, your arms must always be at your side. If you try to gesture, you will also be told to keep still while talking to the judge.
I'm surprised the family got away with shouting at the judges in Indonesia! But then again, it didn't look like much of a proper courtroom (although it was). -
it was reported that she recieved a heavier sentence than most indonesians who commited similar offences..i'm just asking whether you think its fair anot.Originally posted by crazy monkey:donate money and now complain ? they can take back the $$ and shove it up their a.s.s. Why shd foreigners be treated differently ? wake up ur farking idea.