Benedict condemns gay marriages.
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How do u know?Originally posted by vito_corleone:i think if you were gay you'd say something very different..
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Yes. I do have close homosexual friends and that is why I think I am qualified to say I hate their acts but not them as a person.Originally posted by earthlings73:Ah.. but the church never comdemn vegetarians wor..
but the church condemns the so-called gay behaviours wor.. just wondering, do you personally have gay friends.. how could u like them when they are commiting sins very regularly?
a better analogy might be: "i like christians, but i hate people who go to church/pray to god."
christians (or gays) is a categorical definition..
And going to church/praying to god is the behaviours the category "christians" engaged in..
For most people, such attitude needs to be consistent with each other..
How could I like them when they commit sins regularly? You know why? That is becos I, a christian, too sin like them. How then can I hate them when I am sinning myself? Everyone is a sinner, being a christian does not mean you do not sin. And though I am friends with them, does it mean again I have to agree with their lifestyle?
And since you talked about christians, maybe you would like to talk to my friends who are about some of the most anti-christ people I met. But well maybe you would like to meet me and my bunch of anti-christ friends and see how they 'COndemn my beliefs, but yet love me as a friend.' See and believe. -
duplicate postOriginally posted by gasband:Yes. I do have close homosexual friends and that is why I think I am qualified to say I hate their acts but not them as a person.
How could I like them when they commit sins regularly? You know why? That is becos I, a christian, too sin like them. How then can I hate them when I am sinning myself? Everyone is a sinner, being a christian does not mean you do not sin. And though I am friends with them, does it mean again I have to agree with their lifestyle?
And since you talked about christians, maybe you would like to talk to my friends who are about some of the most anti-christ people I met. But well maybe you would like to meet me and my bunch of anti-christ friends and see how they 'COndemn my beliefs, but yet love me as a friend.' See and believe. -
then why should the church focus so much on the gay sin?Originally posted by gasband:Yes. I do have close homosexual friends and that is why I think I am qualified to say I hate their acts but not them as a person.
How could I like them when they commit sins regularly? You know why? That is becos I, a christian, too sin like them. How then can I hate them when I am sinning myself? Everyone is a sinner, being a christian does not mean you do not sin. And though I am friends with them, does it mean again I have to agree with their lifestyle?
And since you talked about christians, maybe you would like to talk to my friends who are about some of the most anti-christ people I met. But well maybe you would like to meet me and my bunch of anti-christ friends and see how they 'COndemn my beliefs, but yet love me as a friend.' See and believe.
if the focus is on the behaviours, and not gays.. shouldn't they be allowed to get married? condemn their behaviours, but then give them equal rights.. -
isn't marraige a behaviour?Originally posted by earthlings73:then why should the church focus so much on the gay sin?
if the focus is on the behaviours, and not gays.. shouldn't they be allowed to get married? condemn their behaviours, but then give them equal rights.. -
That should be up to respective governments, not the church to decide. Spain, a staunch Catholic nation, has made the most ambitious step to allow gay marriage and parenthood. The Madrid government really is worthy of admiration. Even if Zapatero and his cabinet are excommunicated, they do not have to worry. The Wiccan covens are ever ready to get new members.Originally posted by earthlings73:then why should the church focus so much on the gay sin?
if the focus is on the behaviours, and not gays.. shouldn't they be allowed to get married? condemn their behaviours, but then give them equal rights..
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Firstly, I would like to say the church do not focus on just a particular point of sin but we look at sin as a whole. ANy kind of sin is a sin, no sin is greater or lesser than any. My church, at least, do not harp on homosexuality particularly.Originally posted by earthlings73:then why should the church focus so much on the gay sin?
if the focus is on the behaviours, and not gays.. shouldn't they be allowed to get married? condemn their behaviours, but then give them equal rights..
I believe the church is just voicing in what they disagree on and again it is on the issue not on the person. Just ask the pastor from Church Of Our Saviour who was a gay when he went into the church. He was of cos told that the church do not agree with homosexuality but was he chased out? Nope.
And of cos the marriage consituition is not something the church can do anything abt. The church like any individuals should be allowed to voice their beliefs. But, like the casino issue, no matter what the religious bodies say, the government has the final say. -
yes, the government has the final say.. but then, the government is made up of different groups with different political agenda.. so far, the biggest opponents of the passing of the gay marriage laws seem to come from the conservative christian group..Originally posted by iveco:That should be up to respective governments, not the church to decide. Spain, a staunch Catholic nation, has made the most ambitious step to allow gay marriage and parenthood. The Madrid government really is worthy of admiration. Even if Zapatero and his cabinet are excommunicated, they do not have to worry. The Wiccan covens are ever ready to get new members.
maybe i should not put forth a broad-sweeping statement of christians.. i believe there are some christians that are more progressive like what gasband had illustrated here in the forum.. and futher, there are indeed many christian gays around..
anyway, saw this rather interesting article..
http://www.musingson.com/ccCase.html
a rather objective account of this issue.. just hope that the vatican can adopt such neutral approach when it comes to the gay issue.. -
they have the staunchest stance towards homosexuals but they also have the most homosexual scandals involving young boys and priests
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Not surprisingly, many such cases have been covered up.Originally posted by vito_corleone:they have the staunchest stance towards homosexuals but they also have the most homosexual scandals involving young boys and priests 
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instead of condeming gay marriages he should clean up his own institution first. fancy the pot calling the kettle black.Originally posted by iveco:Not surprisingly, many such cases have been covered up. 
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every religion has its own dirty linen, so what is the problem.Originally posted by vito_corleone:instead of condeming gay marriages he should clean up his own institution first. fancy the pot calling the kettle black. -
or better still.. accept that gay cannot be converted.. accept that god created gay just like he created the straight..Originally posted by vito_corleone:instead of condeming gay marriages he should clean up his own institution first. fancy the pot calling the kettle black.
believing in god does not seem to work for even the priests.. -
God does not create gays.The habit is formed due to bad influences from magazines & etc.
There is a gay demo in a certain country recently.So i bellieve the gays also would like to see such kind of freedom.So they believe homosex is not wrong.But the fact is even the very ancient book bible says it is wrong. -
All this talk about gay rights seem to be a good reason for some people here to conduct Pope-bashing and to put forth anti-Catholic rhetoric.
So much for 'tolerance'.
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Damn right. It was Mother Nature who created gays. The fact remains that gays don't become gays at a flick of a switch. I've said this before. Gays or homsexuals in one way or another are born with more sensitive feelings with the same sex.Originally posted by PRP:God does not create gays.
From young, they preferred to hang out with guys rather than girls. While other straight guys fancy girls- and it doesn't even mean puberty- since god knows when, somehow these homesexuals fancy guys more.
And as they get older and learn more about sex, naturally these homosexual feelings get stronger and stronger. So in the end, in whatever age, they then realise that they are gay. So being gay isn't an automatic decision nor is it a quick flick of the switch thing.
And as I said, being gay doesn't mean that homesexuals aren't human beings. Sure, most of the time, gays make people cring because they are so effiminate- but that doesn't make them any less a human being. And neither does it lessen any talent that they have. If we are to deny an inspiring gay actor just because he's gay and deny him of his civil rights, it would be a loss.
Whether is he gay or not shouldn't stop him for being an actor he wants to be or he already is. In case if you don't know any example of a famous gay actor, I would say Sir Ian Mckellen is one.
He's a gay, he's an English Knight and he's a world class actor. He acted as Gandalf in LOTR. Should he still be denied of his civil rights just because he's gay?
Or even love a God he still loves- even though he's gay? -
so much for catholic tolerance towards the homosexualsOriginally posted by SingaporeMacross:All this talk about gay rights seem to be a good reason for some people here to conduct Pope-bashing and to put forth anti-Catholic rhetoric.
So much for 'tolerance'. -
You might not understand, nor care to, but the Church does not condemn the homosexuals. Mother Theresa calls them 'The friends of Jesus'.Originally posted by vito_corleone:so much for catholic tolerance towards the homosexuals
The Church does however, condemn gay sex, along with sex outside marriage. -
ah.. i thot it's more like the pope doing gay bashing?Originally posted by SingaporeMacross:All this talk about gay rights seem to be a good reason for some people here to conduct Pope-bashing and to put forth anti-Catholic rhetoric.
So much for 'tolerance'.
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too bad mother theresa was not the pope..Originally posted by SingaporeMacross:You might not understand, nor care to, but the Church does not condemn the homosexuals. Mother Theresa calls them 'The friends of Jesus'.
The Church does however, condemn gay sex, along with sex outside marriage.
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God is a MALE entity, so the head of his church has to be MALE. THis is not Dianic Wicca [sic], where the supreme being is a MOTHER and the leader has to be a PRIESTESS. There is no official title calling religious women "Mother". It is just a mere acknowledgement of their seniority because there is no ordination of females.Originally posted by earthlings73:too bad mother theresa was not the pope.. -
My personal opinion? Mother Theresa doesn't represent the church, she represents Christ himself.Originally posted by SingaporeMacross:You might not understand, nor care to, but the Church does not condemn the homosexuals. Mother Theresa calls them 'The friends of Jesus'.
The Church does however, condemn gay sex, along with sex outside marriage.
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Fine 'nuff for the 1st point. As for sex outside marriage- if u mean adultery- well, that's fine with me. Although it's much much harder to reinforce the second one due to the liberal times now.Originally posted by SingaporeMacross:The Church does however, condemn gay sex, along with sex outside marriage.
And if u were referring to pre-marital sex, let's face it- we can't stop it. The best way is to promote condoms. The Catholic Church doesn't like condoms but again, we don't have much of a choice in this time of AIDs and unwanted pregancies. -
The Pope is not doing any form of gay bashing, certain people still do not seem to undersatnd the concept of "loving the person but not the crime" is possible.Originally posted by earthlings73:ah.. i thot it's more like the pope doing gay bashing?
and so it's okay to get discriminated and be silent abt it?
God is neither male or female but that doesn't mean He is neutred either.He chose to be addressed in the male noun. As the Bible says "I am who I am".We refer to God as the Father(male) not in the paternal form but as acknowledgement as creator and master of the universe. Secondly, God the Son was male in His human form. For further discussion go read up in EH or the CCC.
God is a MALE entity, so the head of his church has to be MALE. THis is not Dianic Wicca [sic], where the supreme being is a MOTHER and the leader has to be a PRIESTESS. There is no official title calling religious women "Mother". It is just a mere acknowledgement of their seniority because there is no ordination of females.
Mother Theresa not representing the Church?? All members of the Church are called to imitate Christ.
My personal opinion? Mother Theresa doesn't represent the church, she represents Christ himself.
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The idea of the Creator being a maternal figure is much more palatable to many people. After all, every life comes from the female womb.Originally posted by plo30360:God is neither male or female but that doesn't mean He is neutred either.He chose to be addressed in the male noun. As the Bible says "I am who I am".We refer to God as the Father(male) not in the paternal form but as acknowledgement as creator and master of the universe. Secondly, God the Son was male in His human form. For further discussion go read up in EH or the CCC.