Benedict condemns gay marriages.
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if the pope is not against the community, why would he be speaking again same sex union and NOT same sex sexual intercourse?Originally posted by plo30360:The Pope is not doing any form of gay bashing, certain people still do not seem to undersatnd the concept of "loving the person but not the crime" is possible. -
http://www.todayonline.com/articles/56944.aspOriginally posted by plo30360:The Pope is not doing any form of gay bashing, certain people still do not seem to undersatnd the concept of "loving the person but not the crime" is possible.
And do read this article for the local context.. gays are still being discriminated.. or else, they wont be a need for christian gays to come together to form a church for their own..
and i'm very sure most local churches do not recognise them as orthodox church..
it's easy to say "we are against the sin, not the person".. but then, in actuality.. could u really forgive someone who always commit sin and do not seem to "repent" (only in christian context).. -
in case you don't know, the tradition of priests and "holy people" as well as the heirachy of the current catholic church is a continuation of roman pagan practices, as is christmas, whichw as a nordic pagan festival. they dont call it the ROMAN catholic church for nothing.Originally posted by iveco:God is a MALE entity, so the head of his church has to be MALE. THis is not Dianic Wicca [sic], where the supreme being is a MOTHER and the leader has to be a PRIESTESS. There is no official title calling religious women "Mother". It is just a mere acknowledgement of their seniority because there is no ordination of females.
same thing the concept of worshipping mary comes from the pagan practices of worshipping mother goddesses. all these aint my personal view..it can be found in many many many books sold in all major bookstores . -
So are you a gay activist or do you have something against Catholics?Originally posted by vito_corleone:in case you don't know, the tradition of priests and "holy people" as well as the heirachy of the current catholic church is a continuation of roman pagan practices, as is christmas, whichw as a nordic pagan festival. they dont call it the ROMAN catholic church for nothing. same thing the concept of worshipping mary comes from the pagan practices of worshipping mother goddesses. all these aint my personal view..it can be found in many many many books sold in all major bookstores .
And who the hell told you about Mary worship? Yeah, books from anti-Catholic authors. Are you sure it's not your personal view? You seem to share the same views with those authors. -
You are not even part of the Church. Why should we let outsiders interfere with our policies?Originally posted by iveco:That should be up to respective governments, not the church to decide. Spain, a staunch Catholic nation, has made the most ambitious step to allow gay marriage and parenthood. The Madrid government really is worthy of admiration. Even if Zapatero and his cabinet are excommunicated, they do not have to worry. The Wiccan covens are ever ready to get new members.
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If a man and a woman get married, they would probably end up having sex.Originally posted by earthlings73:if the pope is not against the community, why would he be speaking again same sex union and NOT same sex sexual intercourse?
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i so happen to share that viewOriginally posted by SingaporeMacross:So are you a gay activist or do you have something against Catholics?
And who the hell told you about Mary worship? Yeah, books from anti-Catholic authors. Are you sure it's not your personal view? You seem to share the same views with those authors. do you honestly dare tell me you don't worship mary? nope im not a gay activist but i have nothing against them. anyway if your doctrine is so "orhtodox" and your leaders perfect why are so many people able to pick out loopholes and use them against you? so maybe the saying that "you leave your brains outside when you go to church" is possibly true. -
this is precisely my point.. isn't it? i'm asking a rhetorical question..Originally posted by SingaporeMacross:If a man and a woman get married, they would probably end up having sex.
If two MEN get married, can you say that the same thing won't happen?
how do u differentiate gays from gay sex?
"the church condemn the gay sex and but not gays" is a hypocritical statement.
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do you dare say it will definately happen?Originally posted by SingaporeMacross:If a man and a woman get married, they would probably end up having sex.
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don't forget dude, that you're talking to a member of an organisation which has comitted many atrocious acts throughout history, from butchering millions of protestants and innocents through the "inquisition" to jew bashing and hating to selling pardons and launching bloody unjustified wars in the name of their religion to the reccent child molestation cases.Originally posted by earthlings73:this is precisely my point..
how do u differentiate gays from gay sex..
hence my point of the saying "the church condemn the gay sex and but not gays" is hypocritical is validated!
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who the hell is interering with your policies? we're just stating our views this is a MODERN DEMOCRATIC world that allows free speech and debate. can you even claim to be "orthodox" when your ideology is more similar to that of the romans than the original Faith that was of Jewish origin and devoid of all excessiveness and needless tradition?Originally posted by SingaporeMacross:You are not even part of the Church. Why should we let outsiders interfere with our policies?
You are pitting witchcraft against orthodoxy. I hope you know what you are doing.....
(Luke 20:46)
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Beware of these teachers of religious law! For they love to parade in flowing robes and to have everyone bow to them as they walk in the marketplaces. And how they love the seats of honor in the synagogues and at banquets. -
Originally posted by vito_corleone:who the hell is interering with your policies? we're just stating our views this is a MODERN DEMOCRATIC world that allows free speech and debate. can you even claim to be "orthodox" when your ideology is more similar to that of the romans than the original Faith that was of Jewish origin and devoid of all excessiveness and needless tradition?
(Luke 20:46)
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Beware of these teachers of religious law! For they love to parade in flowing robes and to have everyone bow to them as they walk in the marketplaces. And how they love the seats of honor in the synagogues and at banquets. Quoting scriptures liao. -
course man, wanna debate and justify your statements must bring out DA STUFFOriginally posted by M©+square: Quoting scriptures liao. -
I agree with you. But somehow, i sense the mod gonna close this topic if further scriptures fly around hitting people.Originally posted by vito_corleone:course man, wanna debate and justify your statements must bring out DA STUFF
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im not hitting people mah..just debating not bashingOriginally posted by M©+square:I agree with you. But somehow, i sense the mod gonna close this topic if further scriptures fly around hitting people.
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well actually if im correct the exact line in the bible which states that it is against homosexuality is "man shall not lay with man as he lays with women",well apparently gays do not lay with women at all so i guess it doesnt really apply
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well apparent he thinks that gays are an "intrinsic moral evil".He advocates that gays should not be given human rights or in his own words, that their rights should be "legitimiately limited"
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Because in the first place, it isn't ecen democratic, to begin with. Any non-democratic entity deserves to be broken up.Originally posted by SingaporeMacross:You are not even part of the Church. Why should we let outsiders interfere with our policies?
Witchcraft is an orthodoxy in its own right. So is Buddhism or Islam.Originally posted by SingaporeMacross:You are pitting witchcraft against orthodoxy. I hope you know what you are doing..... -
The Pope speaks out against both.
if the pope is not against the community, why would he be speaking again same sex union and NOT same sex sexual intercourse?
The issue here is not forgiveness but love and yes it can be done. One of my current friends is a Satanist, I may not agree with his beliefs, does it mean he is no longer my friend?
it's easy to say "we are against the sin, not the person".. but then, in actuality.. could u really forgive someone who always commit sin and do not seem to "repent" (only in christian context)..
You are poorly informed, I have answered such statements to many different people at many different points of time. All Catholic Tradition is from Scripture, but you didn't borther find that out did you? And if you are using books such as the Da Vinci Code...
in case you don't know, the tradition of priests and "holy people" as well as the heirachy of the current catholic church is a continuation of roman pagan practices, as is christmas, whichw as a nordic pagan festival. they dont call it the ROMAN catholic church for nothing. same thing the concept of worshipping mary comes from the pagan practices of worshipping mother goddesses. all these aint my personal view..it can be found in many many many books sold in all major bookstores .
Yes, we don't worship Mary. That has been answered so many times, seems like you are just keen on getting shots in wherever you can get them.
i so happen to share that view do you honestly dare tell me you don't worship mary? nope im not a gay activist but i have nothing against them. anyway if your doctrine is so "orhtodox" and your leaders perfect why are so many people able to pick out loopholes and use them against you? so maybe the saying that "you leave your brains outside when you go to church" is possibly true. -
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Millions of people, inquisiton how typical
don't forget dude, that you're talking to a member of an organisation which has comitted many atrocious acts throughout history, from butchering millions of protestants and innocents through the "inquisition" to jew bashing and hating to selling pardons and launching bloody unjustified wars in the name of their religion to the reccent child molestation cases. to them the word of their "holy leader" is stronger than the word of God. Perhaps you need SIS to educate you on the proper statics. For everything you have said is either distored, false or does not take into account other parties who were also invovled.
when your ideology is more similar to that of the romans than the original Faith that was of Jewish origin and devoid of all excessiveness and needless tradition? How many times have heard this rubbish about the Catholic church being roman paganism, reading Jack Chick's tracts haven't you? -
Let's revisit the entire argument again..Originally posted by plo30360:The Pope speaks out against both.
The issue here is not forgiveness but love and yes it can be done. One of my current friends is a Satanist, I may not agree with his beliefs, does it mean he is no longer my friend?
Someone said:"Do not turn gay rights into pope bashing."
I said:"Pope is the one who's doing gay bashing. The gays are at the defence".
Then you said:"certain people still do not seem to undersatnd the concept of "loving the person but not the crime" is possible"
Ah.. So you agree that you are being a hypocrite by stating the above statement is possible.. hmm..
Err.. How do you define satanist? he read the bible still but thrash everything the bible said? How does that relate to gays? there are more and more research that start to show evidence that gays are borned, not made.. Even if the research is not conclusive.. do u want to condemn someone before he's proven guilty? -
Book of Levitivus..Originally posted by ahpeh:well actually if im correct the exact line in the bible which states that it is against homosexuality is "man shall not lay with man as he lays with women",well apparently gays do not lay with women at all so i guess it doesnt really apply
In the same book, you get to see this para:
"Of all the creatures living in the water of the seas and the streams, you may eat any that have fins and scales. 10 But all creatures in the seas or streams that do not have fins and scales—whether among all the swarming things or among all the other living creatures in the water—you are to detest. 11 And since you are to detest them, you must not eat their meat and you must detest their carcasses. 12 Anything living in the water that does not have fins and scales is to be detestable to you."
Which means, u will be condemned if you eat shrimps, prawns, sotongs, cockels, etc...
not very sure why the pope didn't mention anything about this?
someone told me that certain verses in the old testament can be opted out.. My first reaction was: "If the bible was indeed written by god, he will not leave it to chance". -
I don't worship Mary.Originally posted by vito_corleone:i so happen to share that view do you honestly dare tell me you don't worship mary? nope im not a gay activist but i have nothing against them. anyway if your doctrine is so "orhtodox" and your leaders perfect why are so many people able to pick out loopholes and use them against you? so maybe the saying that "you leave your brains outside when you go to church" is possibly true.
'You leave your brains outside the church.' Oooh, did you come up with that one? -
Which is why the Church makes a distinction between the words 'homosexual' and 'gay'. 'Homosexual' is referring to one who has attractions to the same sex, and we define 'gay' as one who has gay sex.Originally posted by earthlings73:this is precisely my point.. isn't it? i'm asking a rhetorical question..
how do u differentiate gays from gay sex?
"the church condemn the gay sex and but not gays" is a hypocritical statement.
Of course, to all you darling secularists here, the following paragraph I just wrote must be hogwash to you people.