johor's state government
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johor's state government wants the government to continue building the bridge to replace the causeway without singapore's permission.
do you think that johor's government is hostile to singapore? -
Originally posted by chikopek:
No.
johor's state government wants the government to continue building the bridge to replace the causeway [b]without singapore's permission.
do you think that johor's government is hostile to singapore?[/b] -
Originally posted by chikopek:
if they dun build on singapore land/sea we no right to say also mah
johor's state government wants the government to continue building the bridge to replace the causeway [b]without singapore's permission.
do you think that johor's government is hostile to singapore?[/b] -
Originally posted by chikopek:
No. We are the one who is wasting people's time cos' after we agree with them on the bridge matters but until now our government did not mention anything about the bridge nor give any deadline as to when the matter will resolved so the johor gov have the right to TL us.
johor's state government wants the government to continue building the bridge to replace the causeway [b]without singapore's permission.
do you think that johor's government is hostile to singapore?[/b] -
simi taiji ???
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Em... The pollution is caused by the river pollution from their side.. Making a bridge is useless when they are doing nothing to curb river pollution... Just pushing the prob
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Am i missing something here? Is the bridge building a response to river pollution?Originally posted by sbst275:Em... The pollution is caused by the river pollution from their side.. Making a bridge is useless when they are doing nothing to curb river pollution... Just pushing the prob
Anyway, the new bridge is part of a misguided effort to combat river pollution, it is still their side of the bridge. Construction has gone on and perhaps Singapore should coop with them rather than trying to score petty points. -
You read the recent papers... They was talking abt the pollution, saying the Causeway makes the water pollutedOriginally posted by lwflee:Am i missing something here? Is the bridge building a response to river pollution?
Anyway, the new bridge is part of a misguided effort to combat river pollution, it is still their side of the bridge. Construction has gone on and perhaps Singapore should coop with them rather than trying to score petty points. -
Nah - I did not because i am not in Singapore and frankly, i try to avoid reading SPH publications where possible.Originally posted by sbst275:You read the recent papers... They was talking abt the pollution, saying the Causeway makes the water polluted
OK- Google News came up with this:
(Source:New Straits Times )
Johor: We can't wait forever for Singapore to act
Ravi Nambiar
JOHOR BARU, Tues.
Johor has made a strong pitch to the Federal Government to go ahead and build the "crooked bridge" to replace the Causeway.
Pos Malaysia State officials said that any further delay in the construction of the project would seriously retard growth in Johor Baru.
This was the message they gave Prime Minister Datuk Seri Abdullah Ahmad Badawi during a briefing yesterday.
They said as the proposed bridge was an integral part of the re-development of the city centre, it was crucial that a decision on the project be made soon.
"Everything hinges on whether the bridge will materialise or not," said a senior state official who attended the briefing. "We cannot wait forever for Singapore to join hands to build a straight bridge."
He said Menteri Besar Datuk Abdul Ghani Othman and state economic advisor Datuk Ayub Mion had both impressed on the Prime Minister the need to build the bridge soon.
In their presentations, they showed artistsÂ’ impressions of the curved half-bridge which could be built on the Malaysian side of the border.
The elevated bridge would join the existing Causeway on the Singapore side of the Johor Strait.
Johor has maintained that for ecological reasons, the Causeway must make way for a new bridge. A new span bridge would also complement efforts to turn the cityÂ’s waterfront into a world-class tourism hub.
At yesterdayÂ’s briefing, the State also pointed out that the height of the bridge should be raised from the present 18m to 35m to enable the passage of international cruise ships.
Singapore has not indicated if it is in favour of a straight bridge to replace the whole Causeway, despite two rounds of talks between Abdullah and Senior Minister Goh Chok Tong.
This uncertainty is of concern to Johor state officials, who feel the Federal Government should go ahead and build a half-bridge. -
yes, that's why i think they should go f**k spider..
anyway, yes...
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Why do you think they should f uck off?
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Goggle here uses int'l press version...Originally posted by lwflee:(Source:New Straits Times )
We here know what this JB MB card game -
do u guys think that its purely for environmental sake? I think there are other reasons, most likely political/military ones that make them push so hard for the bridge.
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Hmm... It is Johor State Govt, KL Ctrl Govt not worried abt the bridgeOriginally posted by dibilo:do u guys think that its purely for environmental sake? I think there are other reasons, most likely political/military ones that make them push so hard for the bridge. -
Our govt all along has made it clear that it is not keen on the bridge. I think the Malaysian govt is buidling the bridge so as to collect car tolls (tax). After it had its hand on the water agreement and has our govt lapsing the contact.
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JB does not have a sewerage treatment system, all waste water goes straight into the sea. The bridge does not help in any way in controlling pollution, except to bring the dirty water from the west to the east.Originally posted by dibilo:do u guys think that its purely for environmental sake? I think there are other reasons, most likely political/military ones that make them push so hard for the bridge.
Under mahathir, the motive could be political. At no time was military an issue.
The only drive behind the bridge is $$$$, for the JB MB and his gang, with a bit spilled over to the government. KL central government is not keen in the bridge, few politicians in other state support the project. -
If the malaysian can single sidedly build their part of the bridge, Singapore can also single sidedly demolish our part of the bridge. Anyway, we still have the white elephant in Tuas.
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those who dealings in malaysia will know how tendrs and contracts are done and awarded.
it is different from the international practice.
certain groups will benefits from some $$$ if project go ahead and certain that missed out will go against.
its big bucks and alot of interested parties wants tobe somehow connected to get money.
to me i think sg gahment wants black and white as country and state, they all must agree and officially black and white and stand behind it all the way. if not like water case, who sign the water treaty? as with all meetings with malaysia. you can see twist and turns coming out of the FM mouth. when offer a good price in 1998 , why never accept? they wanted a price that is not fixed and subject to change as according to their likes. its liek signing a contract with one price , their unknown price. would you go and eat in a restaurant with no fixed priced and up to them to charge as they like?
in the johore, JB and federal, those that did not get contract will disagree. and may consider void if the parties changes.
for SG gahmen, evry cent spent must be accountable and corruption must be maintain at zero.
if the bridge turns out to be economically bad , will they twist and lash out at singapore for forcing malaysia to build the bridge. and who's going to pay for it Johore, JB or federal? or they cannot recover the cost or make to pay for using the bridge will they use singapore as bashing bag to gain political victories.
every word and sentence must be as clear as possible and must be agree as one single malaysia authority. and no twist and turn and UTurn. and international honor contract must be honored. even so, they may uturn as with the situation of $$$ capital control in 1998 and killing of clob. Now many of their clob companies are disappearing with no new injection of capital and business.
but building a bridge that can be open for large vessels to cross is stupid. it takes 30 mins to open or lift a draw bridge and 30 mins for only 2 vessels to cross. the vessels must also be piloted by license pilot. the oil leakage by these large ships will also pollute the shores
meanwhile what happens to cars,trucks , people ,all waiting so that they can steal shipping business from singapore ports. one large vessel takes 30 mins to cross, you figure out , how many vessels can cross aday. do you think the $$$$ ships can wait. and imagine it only takes 5 ships in waiting or queue to block the causeway channel.
building 2 underground tunnels is better idea, but expensive.
i agree a new 6 story bridge needs to be build with pleasure craft passing below. it will encourage leisure sea activities on both sides of the shores.
the draw bridge can be lifted in cases of high activity of terrorist alert. -
That Menteri Besar of Johor always vomit out nonsense because he has a mad-cow diseased mouth and bird-flued brain
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Johor government don't have the money. Simple as that. Look at the traffic. And worse than giant supermarket. Only 6 to 7 counter for human traffic. Go there for what ? Suffering leh !
Second link no shopping area. So............. .No one goes there loh. -
Now he boast the Johor Port, but he talk crap...
Already Evergreen might be threatening to move out