Oz anyone?
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Why do Sporeans send their children to Oz for study? The cost of study there is not cheap and ugly behaviour is common; see article from littlespeck.com.
The same question can be asked for holidays down under; it is not cheap and to me, it's a pretty boring place.
I guess the only thing positive between Oz and Spore is trade and defence ties.Foreign students
report racism
Foreign student arrivals drop by nearly two-thirds, here's why. The Age.
Jun 16, 2005
INTERNATIONAL students studying at Australian universities are suffering from "alarming levels" of discrimination, isolation and financial pressure, according to research.
A Monash University study has found that half the international students interviewed had suffered from discrimination or bad treatment; 57 per cent of female students reported discrimination.
One in 10 said they felt unsafe in Australia. Racism was most likely to occur at work or when students were seeking somewhere to live, the research found.
"I wear my headscarf back in Brunei," one Muslim student said in her interview. But in Australia, "everybody was staring at me. I wore that headscarf for three days, and then I started telling myself that it's not safe. I decided not to wear it."
The study, whose full results are revealed by The Age, was conducted by the Monash Institute for the Study of Global Movements.
It interviewed more than 200 students from 34 countries. Principal researcher Simon Marginson said the finding of students feeling unsafe was striking, and showed Australia had "a way to go" in providing a welcoming atmosphere for international students.
Professor Marginson said safety and security were key factors in student choice about where to study. And with a slowing international student market, he cautioned that the findings should be "ringing alarm
bells".
Almost two-thirds of students reported feeling isolation and loneliness, with females and those in regional cities more likely to suffer.
More than two-thirds work or have worked here, with 35 per cent
reporting financial difficulties.
RMIT vice-chancellor Margaret Gardner said similar surveys by RMIT found a sense of belonging and support were key issues for international students.
Professor Gardner said universities had made many improvements in helping international students in their transition to studying in Australia and realise more needs to be done.
The findings coincide with a new report to the Federal Government urging an overhaul of the regulations covering international students.
The report expresses concerns about students' pastoral care. It identifies home stays, financial hardship, mental illness, unlawful activities and visa breaches as areas of concern.
Student care "is emerging as an area of considerable risk to not only the wellbeing of students . . . but also to Australia's reputation as a destination for overseas students", it says.
Growth in the international market has continued to slide. The number of international students starting study in Australia is down by almost two-thirds so far this year on last year.
Too high fees
Monash University vice-chancellor Richard Larkins said Australia was "in danger of losing the race" for international students as universities in neighbouring South-East and Northern Asian became more competitive.
He warned that overreliance on revenue from overseas students could cause fee rises that would deter students from studying in Australia.
"We're probably getting very much in danger of pricing ourselves out
of the market," he said.
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its still cheaper and more convenient den other western countries.
or u prefer thailand?
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IF local Uni doesn't accept your children, the next best place is there.
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Oh definitely!Originally posted by suntze:The same question can be asked for holidays down under; it is not cheap and to me, it's a pretty boring place. Brisbane is a very boring place. Can't say the same for Perth. In fact, you don't say at all.
Nowadays go holiday also must see face one.
Example:"That xxx so cheapo, go bali, phuket, or bangkok nia, got money go Oz lor." -
It is not true that education in Oz is cheaper, see following comparison extracted from this link. http://www.edwiseinternational.com/sitehtm/faqs_aus.htm
US, for eg. is far more cosmopolitan and accepting of foreign students.
Holiday in Oz is real boring, even in Sydney; as for Perth, don't even bother to go there.
USA(PUBLIC)
TUITION FEES LIVING EXPENSE
UG 8000-15000 US $ 7200-12000/Year
PG 1000-20000 US $ 7200-12000/Year
USA(PRIVATE)
TUITION FEES LIVING EXPENSE
UG 10000-20000 US $ 7200-12000/Year
PG 15000-25000 US $ 7200-12000/Year
UNITED KINGDOM
TUITION FEES LIVING EXPENSE
UG 6000-8000 UK Pounds 4500-5500 UK Pounds/Year
PG 6000-12000 UK Pounds 5500-5500 UK Pounds/Year
CANADA
TUITION FEES LIVING EXPENSE
UG 10000-12000 CAD 8000-10000 CAD/Year
PG 10000-15000 CAD 8000-10000 CAD/Year
AUSTRALIA
TUITION FEES LIVING EXPENSE
UG 15000-16000 AUD 12000 AUD/Year
PG 17000-18000 AUD 12000 AUD/Year
NEW ZEALAND
TUITION FEES LIVING EXPENSE
UG 15000-16000 NZD 10000 NZD/Year
PG 17000-18000 NZD 10000 NZD/Year
SINGAPORE
TUITION FEES LIVING EXPENSE
UG 10000-11000 SGD 9000 SGD/Year
PG 11000-13000 SGD 9000 SGD/Year
SWITZERLAND
TUITION FEES LIVING EXPENSE
UG 3000-9000 CHF 10000-15000 CHF/Year
PG 3000-8000 CHF 10000-15000 CHF/Year
IRELAND
TUITION FEES LIVING EXPENSE
UG 8000-10000 EURO 4000-5000 EURO/Year
PG 5000-10000 EURO 4000-5000 EURO/Year -
Points to note:Originally posted by suntze:It is not true that education in Oz is cheaper, see following comparison extracted from this link. http://www.edwiseinternational.com/sitehtm/faqs_aus.htm
US, for eg. is far more cosmopolitan and accepting of foreign students.
Holiday in Oz is real boring, even in Sydney; as for Perth, don't even bother to go there.
Currency exchange rates.
Different living costs in different states.
If its just the rising cost of tuition fees, it not only affects international students, but their own locals as well. Thanks to Howard's government.
Another thing to note is that different course of studies, the less technical ones still go quite average, but the technical ones just keep going up. -
That student who says she can wear her headscarf in Brunei safely is stating the bleeding obvious.What a shallow argument.Let's say I wear a cheongsam in Japan, I would get stares too right?
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Apart from cost, the quality of education in the US is significantly higher, esp if you have the $$ to send your children to private universities such as Stanford or UCLA. During summer, tour the national parks, hollywood, LV, etc.
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Share with us your experiences.Originally posted by suntze:Apart from cost, the quality of education in the US is significantly higher, esp if you have the $$ to send your children to private universities such as Stanford or UCLA. -
My knowledge is personal account from someone who spent 4 yrs at Cambridge and one summer at Stanford. He tells me that Americans are generally more open to foreigners. The Stanford curricula is more varied and interesting and the student cohorts more diverse. Summer holiday after the course was great fun, the weather was perfect but it could cost a lot of $$.
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i thought UCLA was public?Originally posted by suntze:Apart from cost, the quality of education in the US is significantly higher, esp if you have the $$ to send your children to private universities such as Stanford or UCLA. During summer, tour the national parks, hollywood, LV, etc. funded by cal gov innit... -
When u study in a western country or a country that has an angmoh past, you must be prepared for trade offs. Such things as such as religion and culture practices will be observed very closely by angmohs- for the better or worse.
Sometimes you need to stand up, sometimes you just need a good firm talk with people who may view you in an unfavourable manner. Whatever it is, Asians need to have a thick skin.
You know of that when you applied for a place in Oz's Universities. You made the choice- so its either you live with it and make peace with ur choice or you go back with the tails in your legs. Unfortunately, asians prefer to retreat than to take the issue of racism and ignorance head-on. By standing up to racism and ignorance, you may be doing more good than harm.
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i'd pick an aus school over a singapore school anytime..unless its like flinders or james cook or whatever thats a diff case
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ugly behaviour is common only because of the way the schools in singapore teach the average singaporean kid to be inflexible in the head. if the people that went over were slightly more open and had a more accepting take on life, i dont see why there should be any problems.
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Some years ago, when I was pursuing a postgrad degree at a major midwestern university in the US, some American friends and I were having dinner at a restaurant frequented by students from the university.
A few tables from us was a sizable group of Malaysian students who were chatting rather loudy in Hokkien (or some other Chinese dialect--I can't recall).
This seemed to irritate a small group of American students who were seated at an adjacent table, as one of them turned to face the Malaysians and remarked curtly, "This is the US. We speak English here." The Malaysians looked profoundly embarrassed and, after a moment of silence, resumed their conversations at a more reasonable volume in English.
Could this incident be construed as an instance of racism? I don't think so. In my opinion, foreign students are guests of the host county and should make reasonable efforts to observe and respect the prevailing social and cultural norms. I wouldn't be surprised if many of the instances of "racism" reported in the Monash University study were the result of foreign students not being able to (or not wanting to) adapt to local customs.
You all know the old adage: When in Rome...
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true that brother.
yeah actually i should have said that but ive got an exam in 15minutes and am stressedshitless.
if some random white dude came to singapore and started speaking really loudly with a drawl or something, singaporeans would find it rude.
if a black rapper guy came over to singapore, singaporeans would find it rude too.
its not about being racist, its about tolerance - and quite honestly, there isnt much tolerance anywhere in this world. -
Many a time, i feel like telling those PRC nationals to do the same, especially when they are talking really loudly in some unknown dialect.Originally posted by Meia Gisborn:Some years ago, when I was pursuing a postgrad degree at a major midwestern university in the US, some American friends and I were having dinner at a restaurant frequented by students from the university.
A few tables from us was a sizable group of Malaysian students who were chatting rather loudy in Hokkien (or some other Chinese dialect--I can't recall).
This seemed to irritate a small group of American students who were seated at an adjacent table, as one of them turned to face the Malaysians and remarked curtly, "This is the US. We speak English here." The Malaysians looked profoundly embarrassed and, after a moment of silence, resumed their conversations at a more reasonable volume in English.
Could this incident be construed as an instance of racism? I don't think so. In my opinion, foreign students are guests of the host county and should make reasonable efforts to observe and respect the prevailing social and cultural norms. I wouldn't be surprised if many of the instances of "racism" reported in the Monash University study were the result of foreign students not being able to (or not wanting to) adapt to local customs.
You all know the old adage: When in Rome...
MG
However, I believe the Malaysians could have stood up and told the Americans off if they wanted, citing free speech etc.I believe the latter was more pissed off with the loud volume than the language used, but they conveniently used the language as an excuse to get them to shut up. -
id have thought its the language.
ie, it just pisses me off (hopefully someone will agree with me or i'll look stupid), that some idiot is speaking some dialect (i cant even manage mandarin very well) or african for the pure reason that i dont understand it.
if anyone was speaking something i understood loudly, it really wouldnt bother me at all. unless i was trying to sleep.
ive found the australians to be very welcoming and really friendly imo, if you open up and make an effort to actually muck about with them and adapt (as opposed to huddling only and exclusively with other asians/whatever), they treat you fine.
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That's true. When I was in US last yr for some summer job, I realised that if we(I went with a group of S'poreans) hang out with the Americans during work and after work and do things together, they weren't so suspicious.
In fact, once we opened up, they were curious about Asia and all of the other matters. They kept on asking us how was Asia, how was the Asian people like, did they do things in their own way or did Asia now resemble the US in terms of habits etc.
Of course, we Asians did have our own 'meetings' once a while and inevitably we used chinese, hokkien and teochew during those sessions. And well the angmohs became even more curious. They couldn't understand a thing and I'd believe some became suspicious that we were badmouthing them behind their backs.
But I still remember the good times I had with those guys and gas last year. Especially the late night gatherings every Sunday and Wednesday night where we roast mushmellows and talked till 12am. What a time it was. -
What? Some more propaganda?
Yeah i'm getting beaten up here all day because of the flipping colour of my skin. -
I guess you have a flat nose to match that skin colour too, am I right?Originally posted by Lingos:Yeah i'm getting beaten up here all day because of the flipping colour of my skin.
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I do not hor.. it is in fact a really cute nose.Originally posted by iveco:I guess you have a flat nose to match that skin colour too, am I right? -
What about Coolger? Her nose like katie Leung's one rite?Originally posted by Lingos:I do not hor.. it is in fact a really cute nose. -
Pls hor.. stick to the topic on hand.Originally posted by iveco:What about Coolger? Her nose like katie Leung's one rite?
Some more racism propaganda to try to stop singaporeans from migrating overseas. -
Overseas doesn't mean the great US. Go migrate to China la.Originally posted by Lingos:Pls hor.. stick to the topic on hand.
Some more racism propaganda to try to stop singaporeans from migrating overseas.