PAP Chances in the next GE
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Our economy isn't at all doing that well. THe next GE will be due soon I believe, so what do you think are PAP's chances of winning? In my opinion, I think high chance they will win, reason being there's currently no strong opposition in Singapore.
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Originally posted by win_ong81:
Quite true... ...
Our economy isn't at all doing that well. THe next GE will be due soon I believe, so what do you think are PAP's chances of winning? In my opinion, I think high chance they will win, reason being there's currently no strong opposition in Singapore.
It's not the economy, only... two very very very poor families in this land of opportunities... two lives gone in an army where nothing wrong had reportedly gone wrong... which also means two families gonna sob...
If people die cos something wrong, then there's still correction possible... if nothing wrong and people still die... then our kids'd have to gamble with X% of product failure possibility...
$1,500 dollars false donation to NKF will be enough to destroy a family financially...
Alright... 1 in 100 are at least millionaires... so what?
This GE is nothing. The issue is the next GE after this one.
Weak opposition... but sentiments can suddenly changes thingys... it'd gonna be a nightmare... -
The opposition is never going to be strong as long as LKY is still around. Still remember what my parents told me of the mid 80s Anson seat contest. The moment PAP secured the Anson, it went all out to destroy or rather to level the Worker's Party office in Bukit Merah. I think the older member of this forum will remember.
I will only remember PAP for it's hard handed and unforgiving policies which is till prevalent NOW. Perhaps the reason is because our dear LKY is still around and you know what he is like. If anyone opposes him, he WILL make sure he go all out to destroy him and his family.
What makes me so angry with them is how they TRY to cover up mistakes that were made in the past. One good example would be the 'STOP AT TWO' policy which LKY formulated in the late 70s. He wanted families to be kept small so that the population won't get out of control. It work then but not now. Families are getting smaller and smaller till there's a problem of a population decay. But of course, I would never expect PAP to admit it's oversight on this issue.
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The success of Singapore is not by LKY. If he did...... why implemented 'STOP AT TWO' policy which LKY formulated in the late 60s. He wanted families to be kept small so that the population won't get out of control and parents will be able to provide better education for our children(to add this, must be fair to LKY). But he failed to foresee the growth of the economy that actually LKY had made a wrong decision which he won't admit.Originally posted by win_ong81:The opposition is never going to be strong as long as LKY is still around. Still remember what my parents told me of the mid 80s Anson seat contest. The moment PAP secured the Anson, it went all out to destroy or rather to level the Worker's Party office in Bukit Merah. I think the older member of this forum will remember.
I will only remember PAP for it's hard handed and unforgiving policies which is till prevalent NOW. Perhaps the reason is because our dear LKY is still around and you know what he is like. If anyone opposes him, he WILL make sure he go all out to destroy him and his family.
What makes me so angry with them is how they TRY to cover up mistakes that were made in the past. One good example would be the 'STOP AT TWO' policy which LKY formulated in the late 70s. He wanted families to be kept small so that the population won't get out of control. It work then but not now. Families are getting smaller and smaller till there's a problem of a population decay. But of course, I would never expect PAP to admit it's oversight on this issue.
Just my 2 cents worth and thank you for reading.
Last year in Strait Times on 26 November 2004, on first page concerning the master of languages. Freaking government had been promoting bilingual in English and Chinese which resulted most people become half Fcuk in the both languages. Now, reluctantly he admitted that he was wrong that a person could never master both languages at the same time (Which he can't achieve, but if he could....hah..hah.... you will see...)
But he mentioned....parents are empower to let your children go for more English but less Chinese or more Chinese or less English; by mastering one language whether it will turn out to be useful or not, the choice is yours! Don't Blame the government.
I cannot stand the way everytime he talk, very blant and thinks that he's a mighty god.
Strait Times mentioned that LKY brought the English medium into the govt sys, of course LKY is English educated where he knew nothing about chinese or a little in malay. Great Great Sir Stamford Raffles started that millions years ago not LKY. -
Hi,Originally posted by win_ong81:Our economy isn't at all doing that well. THe next GE will be due soon I believe, so what do you think are PAP's chances of winning? In my opinion, I think high chance they will win, reason being there's currently no strong opposition in Singapore.
For now, the PAP will definitely win.
In international terms, winning the election is forming the government.
For Singapore elections, it is a matter of how many seats will the PAP win/lose and how many the Workers' Party/SDA/SDP will win/lose.
It isn't a big deal to me if say, the Workers' Party wins a GRC.
Strangely, to the PAP, it is a big deal
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That they will win is a foregone conclusion.
It's how they will win that will sensationalise news...i.e. dangle more carrots, GRC upgrading, free Singapore power vouchers...
Pity abt the opposition. Lack of support, threat of being censured and lack of funds make it a no contest.
And LKY mentioned that PAP needs to entice the brightest to join their ranks? I dun think so. Just stifle the competition and make politics a sham. Any average ruthless individual can manage that.
Then people won't be bothered to waste time voting. It'll be a straight walkover....first time in history. -
PAP chances in every GE is 100%..
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Ever notice about the past elections that the more people voted for say the PAP party, less and less people can vote in the subsequent election? If this is true, there'll just be less and less and eventually no one need to go to vote
despite having the right to vote in an election.
To me, going to the elections is not about voting for a candidate but the party that will continue to enable me to choose and vote again in future.
What's the use or future like when the main political party overrides the candidate you chose and make it such that you can't even choose and vote
in future?
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They will still win it- but with a reduction of the popular vote percentage.
Besides the current opposition is too weak and discredited. Not many in the mainstream will vote them. -
Apathy is the first bell of doom for a society.The MIW want a depoliticised society so that they can have all the "cooperation" they want.But what is a state without a living and breathing institution of democracy and ideals?Is it a dynamic society anymore where the citizens are not bothered to think about issues that concern them?Looks more to me like a specific dynamism module installed rather than dynamism that comes naturally.Originally posted by BillyBong:That they will win is a foregone conclusion.
It's how they will win that will sensationalise news...i.e. dangle more carrots, GRC upgrading, free Singapore power vouchers...
Pity abt the opposition. Lack of support, threat of being censured and lack of funds make it a no contest.
And LKY mentioned that PAP needs to entice the brightest to join their ranks? I dun think so. Just stifle the competition and make politics a sham. Any average ruthless individual can manage that.
Then people won't be bothered to waste time voting. It'll be a straight walkover....first time in history.
Sigh. -
they will win regardless.
there arent enough good opposition. -
Not ture! A good opposition party is not built by over night. Like wise Pap don't and become powerful over night.Originally posted by dragg:they will win regardless.
there arent enough good opposition.
The problem here is.....before the opposition party gets stronger..pap will slammed the growing opposition party to death. Human nature.....you think LKY so gentleman to let good oppsition parties to grow? All crows are equally in black colour so as lky. -
Was watching the advert with LKY Trailers
one where he mentioned the world is changing and sg need young people.... blah blah blah ...
Ah... I wonder if he saw the pure irony of his own words.... -
who would I vote for in this GE (expected after National Day)?
1) the LOUSY party or
2) the WORST party?
The choice is pretty simple - I will vote for the opposition !
PAP has failed to work for the interests of the people. Period!
Every policy they implemented must produce a substantial proft for Government e.g. COE, ERP, IRs (casino) - or they will never get on with it.
How else can you explain why heartlanders have to pay for HDB upgrading ..... and the defects in the HDB windows even !!!
Why should I vote for PAP when they now openly admit most Singaporeans will retire with little cash in the bank - and it appears there is nothing they (PAP) want to do to change that! -
Just vote for the candidate you prefer (SMC) or party (In the case of GRC).
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Well said, MacjoeOriginally posted by macjoe:Ever notice about the past elections that the more people voted for say the PAP party, less and less people can vote in the subsequent election? If this is true, there'll just be less and less and eventually no one need to go to vote
despite having the right to vote in an election.
To me, going to the elections is not about voting for a candidate but the party that will continue to enable me to choose and vote again in future.
What's the use or future like when the main political party overrides the candidate you chose and make it such that you can't even choose and vote
in future?
Do you mind if I post your article in my blog?
singaporeloyalist.blogspot.com
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He never ever does. And he's one of the worst resistors when comes to change himself.Originally posted by mistyblue:Was watching the advert with LKY Trailers
one where he mentioned the world is changing and sg need young people.... blah blah blah ...
Ah... I wonder if he saw the pure irony of his own words....
It's a cliche but it's true to say this "A leopard will never change its spots." -
Can anyone truly call our election election per se with the GRC, four-fold increased election deposits, electoral boundary redrawing, state-controlled media and election-time goodies giving (some forms of vote buying) killing off the whole potential poliitical participation by the people?
I would call it : "General Delegation" instead of "General Election" -
In the days of dynasties in china, emperors' relatives as well as court loyalists were given land and made kings of the land. Can't find the right word in english.Originally posted by robertteh:Can anyone truly call our election election per se with the GRC, four-fold increased election deposits, electoral boundary redrawing, state-controlled media and election-time goodies giving (some forms of vote buying) killing off the whole potential poliitical participation by the people?
I would call it : "General Delegation" instead of "General Election"
Nowadays the emperor does the same just in different ways. -
The real test for all you people here is to walk the talk and vote according to your political conscience at the coming elections.
If you need reminders, here you go:
1. NEL fare set higher than MRT line;
2. IRAS revamp of online tax filing which led to so much confusion and inconvenience;
3. Fare hike charade put up by PTC;
4. Nicoll Highway Collapse;
5. Hike in ERP rates and extension of ERP hours in Orchard Road;
6. MOE's curt handling of disciplinary problems at Nan Hwa Sec School;
7. U-Turn by MCYS on raising entry fees to swimming pools in midst of economic downturn;
8. Police investigations of film-makers of films on local opposition politicians;
9. Mishandling of public transport system by giving NEL to SBS in the name of "competition";
10. Lip-service to free speech by putting Speaker's Corner at a remote corner so no one will go;
11. Imposition of $5 fee for EZLink cards;
12. Overcharging problems on EZ Link cards with authorities' incompetence in handling the refunding issue and tweaking the system;
13. Aborted satellite tracking system at the cost of millions to taxpayer;
14. Payment of $300m to Singtel by IDA as a result of accounting oversight;
15. Squandering of money by public agencies on ugly "iconic" buildings like Esplanade and Surpreme Court and National Library;
16. High pay of Ministers and MPs who drive Jaguars and BMWs to parliament;
17. Raising of 2nd link toll just because Malaysian side raised theirs (???);
18. Army dunking deaths and other mishaps including the recent death from infection of an NSF;
19. Cracks in buildings along Circle Line construction;
20. Revision of Goal 2010 reflecting the incompetence of our sports officials and Mah Bow Tan. -
6. What happened at my alma mater?Originally posted by Profounder:6. MOE's curt handling of disciplinary problems at Nan Hwa Sec School;
9. Mishandling of public transport system by giving NEL to SBS in the name of "competition";
15. Squandering of money by public agencies on ugly "iconic" buildings like Esplanade and Surpreme Court and National Library;
18. Army dunking deaths and other mishaps including the recent death from infection of an NSF;
19. Cracks in buildings along Circle Line construction;
9. SMRT should have had control of all subway lines. Leave Tibs alone.
15. I am okay with the new library, but the Esplanade is a thorough flop.
18. The death of the NSF from infection was more or less the fault of NUH, not SAF Medical Corps.
19. The Circle line was doomed from the start, with the Nicoll Highway collapse being living proof of the project's impracticality. -
most of the points you mention are invalid, you should know that the government has no choice when it comes to price increments or even more bizzare?what had some accidents got to do with PAP?Originally posted by Profounder:The real test for all you people here is to walk the talk and vote according to your political conscience at the coming elections.
If you need reminders, here you go:
1. NEL fare set higher than MRT line;
2. IRAS revamp of online tax filing which led to so much confusion and inconvenience;
3. Fare hike charade put up by PTC;
4. Nicoll Highway Collapse;
5. Hike in ERP rates and extension of ERP hours in Orchard Road;
6. MOE's curt handling of disciplinary problems at Nan Hwa Sec School;
7. U-Turn by MCYS on raising entry fees to swimming pools in midst of economic downturn;
8. Police investigations of film-makers of films on local opposition politicians;
9. Mishandling of public transport system by giving NEL to SBS in the name of "competition";
10. Lip-service to free speech by putting Speaker's Corner at a remote corner so no one will go;
11. Imposition of $5 fee for EZLink cards;
12. Overcharging problems on EZ Link cards with authorities' incompetence in handling the refunding issue and tweaking the system;
13. Aborted satellite tracking system at the cost of millions to taxpayer;
14. Payment of $300m to Singtel by IDA as a result of accounting oversight;
15. Squandering of money by public agencies on ugly "iconic" buildings like Esplanade and Surpreme Court and National Library;
16. High pay of Ministers and MPs who drive Jaguars and BMWs to parliament;
17. Raising of 2nd link toll just because Malaysian side raised theirs (???);
18. Army dunking deaths and other mishaps including the recent death from infection of an NSF;
19. Cracks in buildings along Circle Line construction;
20. Revision of Goal 2010 reflecting the incompetence of our sports officials and Mah Bow Tan.
Singapore is a country with no resources, where do you think all the rice, veg and fruits come from? we depend on other countries investment to survive.
The building of casino is one good example, we create more jobs, we stay ahead of other countries in Asia. Many ppl misjudged the government by saying it is bad and so on...but what choice do we have? we have to keep changing to attract all these foreign investors, to input funds into us. Bear in mind that Singapore has to stay ahead in order to stay infront, you think bigger countries like thailand cant built casino in yrs to come?
Then how do you think we managed to change from a third word country to a first world in less then 50 yrs?
Second, what makes you think that the opposing party can do better? if we dont increase fairs and price? everything using public funds,would would happen?
most of your points are about transportation, so just to let you know, 5.6 billion is collected from transportation every year and these goes into other areas like education, health and so on.
Smrt and SBS are self-supported transport companies, they don receive funds from companies. The rise in fares will be approved once they justified for the rise as the governemnt cant afford to let them go bankrupt. then it will be chaotic just like in the early 60s.
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Shouldn't the transport minister offer to stand down following the Nicoll Highway collapse? His department has to shoulder some responsibility as well.Originally posted by heavenlyfire:most of the points you mention are invalid, you should know that the government has no choice when it comes to price increments or even more bizzare?what had some accidents got to do with PAP? -
Here's some food for thought, heavenly fire. Something u might wanna consider...u know- to see our side of thought. Compare & contrast if u like...
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MAS's current policies defy logic;
"``The current policy of currency appreciation makes no sense when
there's very little industrial growth, exports are suffering and
inflation is,'' said CLSA's Rendell, who today cut his 2005 growth
forecast for Singapore to 2.8 percent from 3.5 percent. The MAS is
``going to have to change in September,'' he said.
http://www.bloomberg.com/apps/news?pid=10000080&sid=anl__c1jCMEY&refer=asia
Singapore's May Output Fell More-Than-Expected 4.8%
June 27 (Bloomberg) -- Singapore's factory production fell in May for
the fourth month in five, declining at more than double the pace
economists had predicted, as makers of pharmaceuticals and
electronics reduced output.
Manufacturing, which accounts for a quarter of Singapore's economy,
fell by a seasonally adjusted 4.8 percent from April, when it rose a
revised 13 percent, the Economic Development Board said in a report
today. The median forecast of 11 economists surveyed by Bloomberg was
for a 2.2 percent decline. From a year earlier, manufacturing rose
1.7 percent in May.
Singapore is counting on shipments from companies such as Chartered
Semiconductor Manufacturing Ltd. and Pfizer Inc. to head off a second
straight quarterly contraction, which would tip the economy into its
fourth recession since 1998. The economy shrank at a 5.5 percent
annual pace in the first quarter, its worst performance since the
SARS outbreak disrupted business across Asia in the second quarter of
2003.
``This is a pretty disappointing number and if the industrial side is
weak it's not going to give much confidence to the rest of the
economy,'' said Nigel Rendell, an economist at CLSA Singapore. The
economy may avoid a recession because May's decline in manufacturing
isn't big enough to erase the gain in April, Rendell said.
Production of drugs and medical devices in May slumped a seasonally-
adjusted 26.5 percent from April, accounting for the bulk of the
decline, said Kok Yit Hoe, a research officer at the Economic
Development Board. Output of electronics and transport equipment also
declined from April, she said by telephone.
`Temporary Blip'
``This could just be a temporary blip and we are looking for a better
second half for the electronics sector,'' said Chua Hak Bin, an
economist at DBS Group Holdings Ltd. ``Electronics inventories are
still declining and all indicators point to a pick up ahead.''
Singapore's exports unexpectedly fell in May as companies shipped
fewer computer chips and pharmaceuticals to the U.S. and Europe.
Non-oil domestic exports fell a seasonally adjusted 5.3 percent from
April, when they gained 4.6 percent, International Enterprise
Singapore, the trade promotion body, said in a June 17 report. From a
year earlier, Singapore's non-oil exports fell 5.6 percent, the first
decline in 35 months.
Prime Minister Lee Hsien Loong's government cut its 2005 growth
forecast to as little as 2.5 percent on May 17 after the economy
shrank in the first quarter. The economy grew 8.4 percent last year.
Singapore's consumer price index also unexpectedly failed to rise in
May from a year earlier, according to a report last week by the
Department of Statistics, suggesting the central bank has room to
ease monetary policy by allowing its currency to weaken.
Inflation
The Monetary Authority of Singapore uses the level of the island's
currency to control monetary conditions, instead of interest rates.
On April 12, the central bank extended its year- old strategy of
seeking a ``modest and gradual'' appreciation of the Singapore dollar
to keep inflation in check. Policy makers are scheduled to meet again
in September.
The central bank seeks to prevent the dollar from rising or falling
outside an undisclosed band based on a basket of currencies of its
biggest trading partners. The Singapore dollar has risen by about 2
percent against the U.S. dollar in the past 12 months.
`No Sense'
``The current policy of currency appreciation makes no sense when
there's very little industrial growth, exports are suffering and
inflation is,'' said CLSA's Rendell, who today cut his 2005 growth
forecast for Singapore to 2.8 percent from 3.5 percent. The MAS is
``going to have to change in September,'' he said.
Electronics production declined a seasonally-adjusted 3 percent from
April. From a year earlier, electronics output gained 2.7 percent in
May, following a revised 9.4 percent rise in April, today's report
said.
Computer chips fell 3.4 percent, reversing a revised 3.4 percent gain
in April. Production of disk drives surged almost 36 percent from a
year earlier, after gaining almost 32 percent in April.
``Contractions in the semiconductors and computer peripherals
segments moderated the expansions in the other segments,'' the EDB's
report said.
Electronics account for 32 percent of Singapore's manufacturing.
Pharmaceuticals, where temporary shutdowns for cleaning or expansion
for new products can cause big swings in output because of the small
number of drug factories in Singapore, make up 19 percent.
Pharmaceuticals shrank almost 19 percent in May from a year earlier,
following April's 14.6 percent contraction, today's report said.
Drug production has slumped almost 21 percent in the first five
months from a year earlier, the report said.
Excluding pharmaceuticals and medical devices, production gained 5.8
percent in May from a year earlier following a revised 8.3 percent
gain in April.
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