No access to lawyers: presumed guilty till proven innocent?
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The Straits Times last Saturday reported that the defendant in the Kallang River murder case was not allowed access to his lawyer, who has not seen him since his arrest.
This is totally unacceptable in most civilized societies. Everyone must be presumed innocent till proven guilty in a court of law. During investigations, anything the accused person might say can be used against him in court and therefore it is only reasonable that he should have access to a lawyer during investigation. Without that safeguard, police can resort to pressure tactics, misleading questioning, enticement, even torture so long as no telling marks are left behind. I agree with the defence lawyer: the brutality of the crime is immaterial--every defendant must be entitled to full legal representation.
Singapore courts are renown for their efficiency; but not, I dare say, for justice. -
WHy wasn't he allowed access to a lawyer? Seems senseless to me.Originally posted by oxford mushroom:The Straits Times last Saturday reported that the defendant in the Kallang River murder case was not allowed access to his lawyer, who has not seen him since his arrest.
This is totally unacceptable in most civilized societies. Everyone must be presumed innocent till proven guilty in a court of law. During investigations, anything the accused person might say can be used against him in court and therefore it is only reasonable that he should have access to a lawyer during investigation. Without that safeguard, police can resort to pressure tactics, misleading questioning, enticement, even torture so long as no telling marks are left behind. I agree with the defence lawyer: the brutality of the crime is immaterial--every defendant must be entitled to full legal representation.
Singapore courts are renown for their efficiency; but not, I dare say, for justice. -
Well, in my opinion and from experiences of other's who had brushes with the LAW here, it really depends on serverity or crime committed.
If you guys are thinking about your rights, FORGET IT!
LAW here in Singapore is different. "DIFFERENT" -
i find it amazing too.
both the kallang and huang na murders' suspects were held in remand while the police investigates and look for evidence.
it is really against the norm. -
Ya, just imagine what happens when one day, Ah long decides to imprison you because he doesn't like your face. Without any checks and balances in place, you wouldn't be able to do anything.
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When I first saw your heading I thought you were talking about those guys held by the US government in Guantanamo Bay.
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they got give reason why no access to lawyer?Originally posted by oxford mushroom:The Straits Times last Saturday reported that the defendant in the Kallang River murder case was not allowed access to his lawyer, who has not seen him since his arrest.
This is totally unacceptable in most civilized societies. Everyone must be presumed innocent till proven guilty in a court of law. During investigations, anything the accused person might say can be used against him in court and therefore it is only reasonable that he should have access to a lawyer during investigation. Without that safeguard, police can resort to pressure tactics, misleading questioning, enticement, even torture so long as no telling marks are left behind. I agree with the defence lawyer: the brutality of the crime is immaterial--every defendant must be entitled to full legal representation.
Singapore courts are renown for their efficiency; but not, I dare say, for justice. -
Not really...the reasons the DPP cited were:Originally posted by whack:they got give reason why no access to lawyer?
1. It is a very gruesome crime
2. They haven't found the feet yet
3. Not appropriate to give access to lawyers during this stage of investigation -
If I can remember
In SG, you are gulity unless you can prove your innocence -
Muahahahahaa.
I think all of you have been watching too many American movies. Or CSI, perhaps?
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There is something called ISA...so of course he can lock you in a 8 x 6 cell without access to lawyers.Originally posted by lwflee:Ya, just imagine what happens when one day, Ah long decides to imprison you because he doesn't like your face. Without any checks and balances in place, you wouldn't be able to do anything. -
What's ISA?
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Would you want him to be in your house after he suspect kill another human being ?
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Internal security a private one. The government one. Not the police nor MP have the power to interfer. It's control by one of the minister who have power over others.Originally posted by shinta:What's ISA?
Just like this. Defence ministry control Army. Minister of internal affair control that part too. So other MP also have no power over it. -
Fully Agreed!!Originally posted by sbst275:If I can remember
In SG, you are gulity unless you can prove your innocence
SG laws are different. No point to compare. Take it or leave.