Why limit the students' creativity?
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I was rather amused that our Minister of Education was alarmed by a group of students who named their team as Hitler in a recent leadership camp. (Today's ST)
Though I agree that Hitler should not be a person for the students to "idolise", but nevertheless, in terms of leadership, he was a man with great leadership. And considering that it was a leadership camp, I find the students rather creative using the name.
I am rather disappointed. On one hand, we had put in so much effort to instill creativity in our school syllabus, on the other hand, a cold, wet blanket dampened and extinguished the fire of creativity in them.
Considering the fact that the Minister of Education had stated, then I think one of my friend should change his name and his parents start doing research. His name is Abu Bakhar.
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How is idolising hitler creative? Any fool can seek to attract attention. I am actually glad that MOE is 'alarmed' because the case highlights the deficiency in our education system; the things the kids said were utterly ignorant. That whoever is running the camp did not seek to enlighten them only serves to show how far up the ignorance runs.Originally posted by Agressor:I was rather amused that our Minister of Education was alarmed by a group of students who named their team as Hitler in a recent leadership camp. (Today's ST)
Though I agree that Hitler should not be a person for the students to "idolise", but nevertheless, in terms of leadership, he was a man with great leadership. And considering that it was a leadership camp, I find the students rather creative using the name.
I am rather disappointed. On one hand, we had put in so much effort to instill creativity in our school syllabus, on the other hand, a cold, wet blanket idampened and extinguished the fire of creativity in them.
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Considering the fact that the Minister of Education had stated, then I think one of my friend should change his name and his parents start doing research. His name is Abu Bakhar. -
I had stated that I am against students idolising Hitler. However, in terms of leadership capabilities, Hitler is no doubt one person who had great leadership qualities. This was acknowledged by several books written on leadership skills. Therefore, obviously the students had done some research before naming their team creatively for the Leadership Camp. ( Though they might get better response if they chose LKY).Originally posted by lwflee:How is idolising hitler creative? Any fool can seek to attract attention. I am actually glad that MOE is 'alarmed' because the case highlights the deficiency in our education system; the things the kids said were utterly ignorant. That whoever is running the camp did not seek to enlighten them only serves to show how far up the ignorance runs.
Through this minor incident, it was obvious that our system limits our students' creativity. There are several threads in this forum comparing foriegn and local talents, many acknowledged that local talents lack of creativity, risk taking and articulation. Putting yourself into the shoes of the students, would you, after this incident still try again to dare to be different? Or would your rather follow the model answers of the 10 years series (Like most of our scholars and elites did)? Or worst of all, most, like me will choose not to participate in such activities again?
Sounds familiar, yes, this is what our society is. There is no room for creativity. If you think out of the box, you are out of the game. We are moulded from young to become a "yes" man. We grew up memorising model answers from 10 years series. My son learnt to find the odd one out when he was in K1. It was imprinted in him that if you are different, you are the odd one out. However, I have always asked him to look at things in a different angle, I have always thought him that If you are different, you are special
Lastly, I would like to once again stress that I am against students, or anyone from idolising Hitler. However, I felt that once in a while, we should always give rooms to our students to let their imagination run wild and to do what they had wanted to do. I believe that was in the mind of the teachers running the camp and thats why they did not stop the team from using the name. To these teachers, I would say, good job. To those who do not agree, I would urge you to think twice, otherwise, we will be like what the Chinese says: "Scared of human in front of the ship; afraid of ghosts at the tail of the ship"(Chuan2 Qian2 Pa4 Ren2, Chuan2 Wei3 Pa4 Gui3) and end up doing and gaining nothing. -
lol, got one time I was in some activity forgot what, wanted to give our group a motto, so I came up with "command and conquer", I thought that was a very good one, but then some stupid ass Bitches started moaning about it being the name of a game and is not creative, how is that not creative? ever heard of puns? spoofs? Fucktards.
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Ever wondered what MOE would say if the students in question were foreign students studying in Singapore?
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I got what you mean. When others did it, they are being creative. When we do it, we somehow lack of the X FACTOR. So where have our X Factor gone? Who stole our X Factor? The answer is obvious!!!!Originally posted by charlize:Ever wondered what MOE would say if the students in question were foreign students studying in Singapore? -
Really, I find nothing wrong with using the name "Hitler" as a team name in a leadership camp.
The only thing Hitler did wrong was to persecute jewish and gypsies and starting the European War. Well... PROBABLY, he just wanted to unite Europe just like how "Qin Shi Huang" united China.
Why is it that no one condems "Qin Shi Huang" like they do to Hitler? Millions died for his cause as well. He is instead hailed as a hero of some sort for doing what he did.
It is just a thin line between right and wrong. What is wrong to one may be right to another. Give them the break the students deserve. -
Please for god's sake, pls dun use Hitler as an excuse on why we suppress creativity in the schools!Originally posted by Agressor:I was rather amused that our Minister of Education was alarmed by a group of students who named their team as Hitler in a recent leadership camp. (Today's ST)
Though I agree that Hitler should not be a person for the students to "idolise", but nevertheless, in terms of leadership, he was a man with great leadership. And considering that it was a leadership camp, I find the students rather creative using the name.
I am rather disappointed. On one hand, we had put in so much effort to instill creativity in our school syllabus, on the other hand, a cold, wet blanket dampened and extinguished the fire of creativity in them.
Considering the fact that the Minister of Education had stated, then I think one of my friend should change his name and his parents start doing research. His name is Abu Bakhar.
Hitler, a great example of leadership? Please, tell me you are kidding.
I can give more and better examples of leadership...namely, Churchill, FDR, Mohd Ali the boxer, Martin Luther King Jr, Theodre Roosevelt, Ronald Reagan, General Eisenhower, Bill Clinton even. But not Hitler. -
i actually agree. a lot of people are just confused.Originally posted by ndsef:Really, I find nothing wrong with using the name "Hitler" as a team name in a leadership camp.
The only thing Hitler did wrong was to persecute jewish and gypsies and starting the European War. Well... PROBABLY, he just wanted to unite Europe just like how "Qin Shi Huang" united China.
Why is it that no one condems "Qin Shi Huang" like they do to Hitler? Millions died for his cause as well. He is instead hailed as a hero of some sort for doing what he did.
It is just a thin line between right and wrong. What is wrong to one may be right to another. Give them the break the students deserve.
they blame germany and japan for war atrocities but US, korea, china and many others are equally guilty.
the war crimes aside, hitler is really very successful. an austrian corporal to germany's chancellor. with nothing but his glib tongue.
i am not his admirer and i condemned the war but there is no denying he was famous, or rather infamous for what he did. -
Minister of Education was alarmed?
i think more parents are more alarmed why EM3 no more and what will happen to those who were once in the EM3?
teaches and principle are more alarmed why policy change like fliping over a page of story book. -
This is where you are wrong , there are many forms of leadership adopted by the leaders you've mentioned above , Hitler's style of leadership was more towards public speeches,propaganda and motivational.Originally posted by timothytsgsg:Please for god's sake, pls dun use Hitler as an excuse on why we suppress creativity in the schools!
Hitler, a great example of leadership? Please, tell me you are kidding.
I can give more and better examples of leadership...namely, Churchill, FDR, Mohd Ali the boxer, Martin Luther King Jr, Theodre Roosevelt, Ronald Reagan, General Eisenhower, Bill Clinton even. But not Hitler.
An evil leader , is still a leader.
Ponder about that please.
I chose to disagree, if i were in that group , i would have agreed with them to choose Hitler as the name , You need not see hitler as a perpetrator of racial crimes , but rather someone with great leadership skills.
The thing we are looking here is not about the character/morals about the leader , its about the Leadership of the leader.
This is where our minister of education have gone wrong , in fact , i noted that he has digested it down on the wrong context.
So im just correcting you and him. -
Well, I kinda forgot that leaders can also be rebels- or people who chose to rebel against a set trend. Instead of following the trend, they became the trend setters- they became the master of trends.
So it could apply to some well known modern fashion designers- who took over established names and expanded the clothing line and various styles in many ways that the late founder would have never thought of or approved of.
Leadership can also be applied to business leaders or sportsmen and women. Since politics and military affairs do turn people off, these people can be models of modern day leadership.
I think we don't need to see the familar names of modern day business leaders- it's too boring re-gurgling them anyway. But it's good to read of those leaders, especially the younger ones who decided to rebel against the old business practices that their fathers advocated or have decided to go into a new industry without much support(and succeeding after a few years or a decade).
I'd believe that is the model for leadership and especially 21st century leadership. -
leadership does not cover rebelling against old business practices/go into a new industry.Originally posted by timothytsgsg:Well, I kinda forgot that leaders can also be rebels- or people who chose to rebel against a set trend. Instead of following the trend, they became the trend setters- they became the master of trends.
So it could apply to some well known modern fashion designers- who took over established names and expanded the clothing line and various styles in many ways that the late founder would have never thought of or approved of.
Leadership can also be applied to business leaders or sportsmen and women. Since politics and military affairs do turn people off, these people can be models of modern day leadership.
I think we don't need to see the familar names of modern day business leaders- it's too boring re-gurgling them anyway. But it's good to read of those leaders, especially the younger ones who decided to rebel against the old business practices that their fathers advocated or have decided to go into a new industry without much support(and succeeding after a few years or a decade).
I'd believe that is the model for leadership and especially 21st century leadership. -
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Oh yes, it does. Business practices evolve- just like all other things that involve human beings. Fashion senses evolve, style changes, the concept of elegance changes.Originally posted by shinta:leadership does not cover rebelling against old business practices/go into a new industry.
Thoughts about new ideas also evolve with time and so does the behaviour, manners etc towards a fellow human being. So if other thing changes, why not business?
Remember this: In the early 20th century, heavy industry in business were all the rage. Steel works, car manufacturing, oil drilling, mining of coal, arigiculture ...all these were the rage at that time. Who would have thought now that the emphasis would be on technology?
Even now technology has influenced the old school industries such as car manufacturing, modern train transports, oil drilling and steel works.
So business industries change with time and with it, business practices as well. -
leadership involves leading, managing ppl and etc. rebelling against old biz practices and etc would mean sth else... not leadership.Originally posted by timothytsgsg:Oh yes, it does. Business practices evolve- just like all other things that involve human beings. Fashion senses evolve, style changes, the concept of elegance changes.
Thoughts about new ideas also evolve with time and so does the behaviour, manners etc towards a fellow human being. So if other thing changes, why not business?
Remember this: In the early 20th century, heavy industry in business were all the rage. Steel works, car manufacturing, oil drilling, mining of coal, arigiculture ...all these were the rage at that time. Who would have thought now that the emphasis would be on technology?
Even now technology has influenced the old school industries such as car manufacturing, modern train transports, oil drilling and steel works.
So business industries change with time and with it, business practices as well.
I can think of new industries to enter, but i Suck big time when it comes to leading/managing ppl and resources. Am i a good leader?
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People like Steve Jobs and his Apple co-founder perhaps?
The Indian expat who founded Hotmail when he moved to the US?
The Google founders who went against the odds(and Yahoo!) to establish Google?
Bill Gates, when the likes of IBM weren't too easy with the idea of Personal Computers in an ordinary family's home?
Fashion designers like Calvin Klein? Karl Lagafield(sp) of Chanel fame? Elvis Presley and Marlo Brando who rebelled against the suit and tie outfit in the post WWII period?
There are so many leaders who rebelled against past trends to set new ones. Sure a lot of people don't- but those who rebel and like to take risks(every leader will need to take risks every now & then) are probably those who will be leaders in their respective fields with time. -
Everyone has , in their mindset , a different opinion of a great leader , just because the minister of education doesn't view Hitler as a "Leader" , doesn't mean that he should force his ideals down the student's throats.
Yes, and in my opinion , Hitler was a great Leader , but a poor pacifist at heart.
He should be admired for his leadership skills only , since it was a leadership camp , i see no wrong in admiring his leadership skills.
Who motivated the German people during the period when..
1.Germany was paying reparations after Treaty of Versailles ?
2.The Great Depression?
3.The Pride of the German people was down?
4.When the people needed a common car for use?
In conclusion , it is a storm in a tea-cup
The minister of education is too sensitive .
anyway, human do make mistakes , i don't blame him for making mistakes.
Be it a nice leader or a evil leader , he is still a leader.
I think that the ability to rise up from the son of a shoe cobbler to a massive military dictator who conquered is worth noticing. -
"Hitler led Germany from the depths of post-World War I defeat to become one of the world's most powerful nations"
If the students used LKY , it would also create a number of political sensitivitys..
The biggest irony now about a great leader is that , they are often debated , but the fact remains that no leader is perfect , but they share 1 thing in common , Leadership.
Before anyone were to criticise Hitler for the bad things he did , Just look at his scale of accomplishments , be it during wartime or in peacetime.
If using Hitler's name for just a leadership camp , could kick up such a fuss and hoo-haa , it only proves 1 thing.
Hitler is the greatest and no doubt, most controversial leader in the 20th Century. -
Hail Hitler!!!!
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Originally posted by timothytsgsg:
this kind of leaders.... are not the kind of leaders this thread is talkin about lei
People like Steve Jobs and his Apple co-founder perhaps?
The Indian expat who founded Hotmail when he moved to the US?
The Google founders who went against the odds(and Yahoo!) to establish Google?
Bill Gates, when the likes of IBM weren't too easy with the idea of Personal Computers in an ordinary family's home?
Fashion designers like Calvin Klein? Karl Lagafield(sp) of Chanel fame? Elvis Presley and Marlo Brando who rebelled against the suit and tie outfit in the post WWII period?
There are so many leaders who rebelled against past trends to set new ones. Sure a lot of people don't- but those who rebel and like to take risks(every leader will need to take risks every now & then) are probably those who will be leaders in their respective fields with time.
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Consider this , a country , ravaged by a war. almost 20 years ago , had to pay reparations amounting to billions and billions of marks , add a economic downturn which was much worser then the 1997 asian economic crisis , and
a inflation rate going on.
Even Japan , took more time then Germany to recover itself , Japan had many factors in which it could recover fast after WWII.
Note that the period after WWI was filled with troubles and uncertainties.
And yet, after 20 years, a 1st world country , in which has a military which is among the most powerful in the World.
For this fact , even LKY , or even if you put our minister of education in charge of Germany , they couldn't even did better.
LKY took 35 years , and SG is not even a world power...
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sg no resources lei... even its population cannot fight liaoOriginally posted by SMAPLionHeart:Consider this , a country , ravaged by a war. almost 20 years ago , had to pay reparations amounting to billions and billions of marks , add a economic downturn which was much worser then the 1997 asian economic crisis , and
a inflation rate going on.
Even Japan , took more time then Germany to recover itself , Japan had many factors in which it could recover fast after WWII.
Note that the period after WWI was filled with troubles and uncertainties.
And yet, after 20 years, a 1st world country , in which has a military which is among the most powerful in the World.
For this fact , even LKY , or even if you put our minister of education in charge of Germany , they couldn't even did better.
LKY took 35 years , and SG is not even a world power... -
Japan can't really be compared to Germany in a sense in which it wasn't affected in WWI .Originally posted by SMAPLionHeart:Consider this , a country , ravaged by a war. almost 20 years ago , had to pay reparations amounting to billions and billions of marks , add a economic downturn which was much worser then the 1997 asian economic crisis , and
a inflation rate going on.
Even Japan , took more time then Germany to recover itself , Japan had many factors in which it could recover fast after WWII.
Note that the period after WWI was filled with troubles and uncertainties.
And yet, after 20 years, a 1st world country , in which has a military which is among the most powerful in the World.
For this fact , even LKY , or even if you put our minister of education in charge of Germany , they couldn't even did better.
LKY took 35 years , and SG is not even a world power...
Furthermore, German forces fought on 2 continents..