Aroyo steps down?
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Seems like her end is near ... It is not easy to revive Phillipines... not easy.
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The people force...Originally posted by sgboy2004:Seems like her end is near ... It is not easy to revive Phillipines... not easy.
Not the 1st time if that happens -
it is near impossible to change with their type of political culture.
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a military upstage is probably not possible. it is now depends whether she wanna stay put when violence will erupt, staining her hands in due course...
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Her husbamd going into self-imposed exile may remove some of the heat on her... but only for a while.
I'm starting to wonder whether the effects such a gesture is to simply delay the inevitable. -
let's hope not a bloody upstage to surfice
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are they introducing GST?
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they're increasing VAT (value added tax).. saw from CNA that philippines has a mass demonstration to protest against it.
hard to rule a country that is too democratic.
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Whether a People Power 3 can come about is dependent upon which side the Church stands on. In both PP 1 and 2, it was the church, under the leadership of the late Jaime Cardinal Sin that actually brought the people out upon the streets to bring down Marcos and Estrada. Sin is now dead, so it is very questionable as to who would step forward to become the 'shepherd of the flock'.
Of course, they are other factors involve: this includes the position of the military and the police on this issue, support of the U.S government, and of course that allegiances of key notables like that of Fidal Ramos, Corzon Aquino. No disrespect intended, but Filippinos are a nostalgic bunch.
On a lighter note, I think Arroyo basically shot herself in the foot by admitting on national tele that it was her voice on the tape. She basically gave the opposition all the ammo they need to shoot at her. Who does she think she is, Bill Clinton? She is not even half as charasmatic as he is and the man from Arkansas did not cheat his way to the Presidency.
But there is something she can take a page off Bill Clinton. Yeah, I'm refering to Mr Clintons diverging tatics-ordering million dollar bombs dropped on 20 dollar tentages in Afghanistan. -
isnt it crazy to introduce VAT considering their state of economy?Originally posted by k4korny:they're increasing VAT (value added tax).. saw from CNA that philippines has a mass demonstration to protest against it.
hard to rule a country that is too democratic. 
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Nah, I think Phillippines has way to go before it can match Sweden in terms of democracy.Originally posted by k4korny:they're increasing VAT (value added tax).. saw from CNA that philippines has a mass demonstration to protest against it.
hard to rule a country that is too democratic. -
Full democracy is defficult to run due to the many misconceptions n views the people have. Full authoritarian is a big no-no. Singapore model, anyone?
Dun forget, the meddling Phillipines' Catholic Church. It should juz stay clear from politics n do wat it knows best, religious-preaching.
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wah.. Supreme court suspended the VAT..
This is getting interesting!
at this pt, she can get ousted either by a coup or an impeachment trial. Once she loses support of the military, a coup will occur. Over the next few weeks, will be interesting to see how she does damage control and gathers support from the Congress to prevent a no-confidence vote against her. -
If she has done no wrong, she should not fear anything. Unfortunately, corruption in the top level is too entrenched in the Filipino society.
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In an ideal world, maybe... but in the world we live in, Politics is about power and money. Even if she has done no wrong, if there's an impeachment trial, all the dirt on her and her allies will be dug out to undermine the confidence in her government.. whatever the outcome, she will be on the losing end. Do you think that the ppl who are trying to overthrow are whiter than white?Originally posted by SBS9611D:If she has done no wrong, she should not fear anything. Unfortunately, corruption in the top level is too entrenched in the Filipino society.
As for the expanded VAT, economist are saying that it could have helped the ecnonmy.. but (IMHO) it was sacrificed so that the supreme court could send a msg that they are not goin to support arroyo. I kept thinking that this is very sad. Imagine if one day spore becomes like this where important economic decision has to be sacrificed for politics or if it is dictated by ppl's opinions (hint: IR, GST, etc.) -
Jul 5, 5:21 PM EDT
Philippine Leader Ready to Face Trial
By PAUL ALEXANDER
Associated Press Writer
MANILA, Philippines (AP) -- Philippine President Gloria Macapagal Arroyo is ready to face an impeachment trial and confident that she can refute the allegations of election fraud against her, her spokesman said Tuesday.
The allegations against Arroyo, which stem from wiretapped recordings of phone conversations between her and an election commissioner, have set off rumors of another "people power" revolt or a coup, either of which could destabilize the Philippines' nascent democracy.
Arroyo has acknowledged talking to the official and apologized for "a lapse in judgment," but denied influencing the outcome of the polls and dismissed opposition calls to resign.
"The impeachment is uncalled for and will just be a waste of the people's time," Arroyo's spokesman, Ignacio Bunye, said in a statement Tuesday. He added, however, that the trial is welcome if it is "the only way to put a stop to the prevailing political grandstanding and mudslinging."
On Tuesday, two key witnesses who supplied the copies of the recordings agreed to surrender all their tapes to a House of Representatives inquiry.
Separately, two lawyers filed impeachment complaints against Arroyo, claiming she rigged the election. The issue can be taken up only after Congress resumes on July 26.
House Speaker Jose de Venecia, a close Arroyo ally, said he would endorse an impeachment complaint against the president because it was his constitutional duty.
Arroyo's predecessor, President Joseph Estrada, faced an impeachment trial on corruption charges in 2000-01. Pro-Estrada senators blocked what was considered crucial evidence against him, triggering street protests that toppled him.
The Arroyo government, which has a strong majority in the House and a narrower margin in the Senate, appears to believe it could prevail in an impeachment process. A trial also would buy time for the crisis to pass and for Arroyo to shore up her credibility.
Opposition lawmakers suspect the impeachment complaints, which they believe to be faulty, were orchestrated by the administration to ensure that no other impeachment motion is filed within a year, a constitutional limitation.
"We are still wondering if President Arroyo will waive her rights under the anti-wiretapping law and her rights to privacy for us to proceed because any impeachment may be rendered useless if she won't," said Rep. Francis Escudero, the House minority leader. -
Why the phillipines leaders all so corrupt one? There's Imelda, use funds to buy shoes and then estrada and now arroyo
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Get ready to see more Moro militants shot and the Philippine Rangers will see more action.Originally posted by Quincey:Whether a People Power 3 can come about is dependent upon which side the Church stands on. In both PP 1 and 2, it was the church, under the leadership of the late Jaime Cardinal Sin that actually brought the people out upon the streets to bring down Marcos and Estrada. Sin is now dead, so it is very questionable as to who would step forward to become the 'shepherd of the flock'.
Of course, they are other factors involve: this includes the position of the military and the police on this issue, support of the U.S government, and of course that allegiances of key notables like that of Fidal Ramos, Corzon Aquino. No disrespect intended, but Filippinos are a nostalgic bunch.
On a lighter note, I think Arroyo basically shot herself in the foot by admitting on national tele that it was her voice on the tape. She basically gave the opposition all the ammo they need to shoot at her. Who does she think she is, Bill Clinton? She is not even half as charasmatic as he is and the man from Arkansas did not cheat his way to the Presidency.
But there is something she can take a page off Bill Clinton. Yeah, I'm refering to Mr Clintons diverging tatics-ordering million dollar bombs dropped on 20 dollar tentages in Afghanistan. -
because filipinos vote with their hearts, not heads and the presidential candidates are good at playing with their hearts?
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Ramos is squeakily clean. He might be the interim leader should Arroyo get ousted and there is no suitable successor.Originally posted by The man who was death:Why the phillipines leaders all so corrupt one? There's Imelda, use funds to buy shoes and then estrada and now arroyo -
Well.. they are a lot of ppl offering themselves to lead the country, all hungry to ascend the seat of power but without intelligence or wisdom to govern. It is indeed a sad situation, especially so if you are a pinoy, watching events unfold the way they do.
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MANILA : The Philippines' influential Roman Catholic bishops criticised embattled President Gloria Arroyo over a political scandal but said they would not join mounting calls for her resignation.
The Catholic Bishops Conference of the Philippines, after a four-day meeting, said Arroyo had further eroded public trust in the political system.
"In the spirit of humility and truth, we declare our prayerfully discerned collective decision that we do not demand her resignation," the conference said in a statement read by its president Archbishop Fernando Capalla.
"Yet, neither do we encourage her simply to dismiss such a call from others."
Any demand by the 85 bishops for Arroyo to quit would have sealed her fate in the overwhelmingly Catholic country. Arroyo is clinging to power after eight ministers and two other cabinet officials resigned last Friday and urged her to follow suit.
Seems like the nail in the coffin for Arroyo. Either she step down peacefully, or sooner or later, it will turn bloody. Military is still on her side, but its a matter of time b4 some the officers will break rank to stage a coup. -
The people there are allowed to protest anything... demonstrations are allowed to run rampant... if the people do not like the president, they can easily remove him... in the end you have chaos.. nothing gets done as well -
The ppl of Phillippines are really dumb,they have such a good president and they want her down just for one small mistake.I think they need someone like saddam.
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If that happens, expect their good friend Washington to step in and restore order.Originally posted by YummyGummy:The ppl of Phillippines are really dumb,they have such a good president and they want her down just for one small mistake.I think they need someone like saddam.