The Opposition Party in Singapore
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And when I watch the British Parliament sessions- especially after the London bombings, Iraq briefings etc, its always very crowded, very noisy and the speeches by both Tony Blair and the opposition members loud, chrismatic and strong.Originally posted by gorby107:That time when I saw parliament session on TV, there was a few MP who was sleeping even though the camera was filming at their angle but they still don't care and continue to sleep
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Originally posted by timothytsgsg:
When the previous WP Sec-Gen J P Jeyaratnam was a Member of Parliament, he provided some electrifying moments in Parliament, confronting LKY - who was always livid and impatient with the subjects brought up by Jeya.
And when I watch the British Parliament sessions- especially after the London bombings, Iraq briefings etc, its always very crowded, very noisy and the speeches by both Tony Blair and the opposition members loud, chrismatic and strong.
Now that's real debating and real politics.
From some of the news articles of the 1950s and 1960s, reported in the press, this was the similar situation of Parliamentary proceedings of those days, when the Ruling Party had to respond to the serious challenges from the Opposition led by ex-PAP members in the Barisan Sosialis Party, as well as the Workers Party.
Parliamentary sessions were always alive and not merely entertaining (as always used as an excuse for NOT having an Opposition in Parliament), but for the fact that cutting issues are always brought up that expose the weaknesses and failings of the Ruling Party.
Unfortunately, as the Ruling Party became more entrenched, and the Ruling Elite became more omnipotent, with the aura of themselves being larger then or equal to the success story of Singapore, they become more impatient and less tolerant of criticism and exposure of failings and weaknesses brought up by the Opposition.
Parliamentary Committees have been formed - (with all members being from the Ruling Party) - to prosecute any Opposition MPs, who dare to raise any sensitive issues that embarrass the Ruling Party, and who will then be accused to have breached or abuse Parliamentary Proceedings.
Lawsuits to bankrupt the Opposition is also another tool to silence all legitimate criticism, with the artful twist in presenting the situation as personal slander.
This is "FIRST WORLD Politics" a la Singapore Style. -
The parliament now in Singapore is the style of last time in former USSR parliament which stalin is all the MP in the parliamentOriginally posted by Atobe:When the previous WP Sec-Gen J P Jeyaratnam was a Member of Parliament, he provided some electrifying moments in Parliament, confronting LKY - who was always livid and impatient with the subjects brought up by Jeya.
From some of the news articles of the 1950s and 1960s, reported in the press, this was the similar situation of Parliamentary proceedings of those days, when the Ruling Party had to respond to the serious challenges from the Opposition led by ex-PAP members in the Barisan Sosialis Party, as well as the Workers Party.
Parliamentary sessions were always alive and not merely entertaining (as always used as an excuse for NOT having an Opposition in Parliament), but for the fact that cutting issues are always brought up that expose the weaknesses and failings of the Ruling Party.
Unfortunately, as the Ruling Party became more entrenched, and the Ruling Elite became more omnipotent, with the aura of themselves being larger then or equal to the success story of Singapore, they become more impatient and less tolerant of criticism and exposure of failings and weaknesses brought up by the Opposition.
Parliamentary Committees have been formed - (with all members being from the Ruling Party) - to prosecute any Opposition MPs, who dare to raise any sensitive issues that embarrass the Ruling Party, and who will then be accused to have breached or abuse Parliamentary Proceedings.
Lawsuits to bankrupt the Opposition is also another tool to silence all legitimate criticism, with the artful twist in presenting the situation as personal slander.
This is "FIRST WORLD Politics" a la Singapore Style. -
Maybe we can start one now...
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Start in our parliament with Lee Kuan Yew or between Lee Hsien Loong as the model of Stalin. Select between both of them using communist election and for sure LKY will win one without sayingOriginally posted by wats_up:Maybe we can start one now... -
If our oppostition party allied together. It will be the best as there would be united spirit and one vocal voice voicing aganist the government having attraction from the public and can support them. But they have no unity now and maybe distrust each other?
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InterestingOriginally posted by gorby107:What do you all think of our opposition party in Singapore? Post your comments here!
First of all, which opposition party is "opposition party"? I only know Workers' Party, SDP, SDA etc.
But I see you have explained it in subsequent posts
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Hi,Originally posted by gorby107:Maybe those WP people want to publicise their own WP party to be more famous by going to Chee lauching of books as there are media there and get attention
Only a handful of Workers' Party junior party members were at the forum, not the entire party or the core leadership of the party.
In addition, they went in their own capacity. Surely not to publicise Workers' Party as they are not senior members or went as party members but as members of the public.
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Hi,Originally posted by gorby107:If our oppostition party allied together. It will be the best as there would be united spirit and one vocal voice voicing aganist the government having attraction from the public and can support them. But they have no unity now and maybe distrust each other?
I think it sounds contrary to, on one hand, says that the opposition parties should unite, and on the other hand, says that the SDP is "giving" opposition a "bad name".
Why would you want them to unite when you feel some opposition parties are giving the rest a "bad name"?
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I preferred the JBJ in Parliament as Anson MP from 1981 to 1986.Originally posted by Atobe:When the previous WP Sec-Gen J P Jeyaratnam was a Member of Parliament, he provided some electrifying moments in Parliament, confronting LKY - who was always livid and impatient with the subjects brought up by Jeya.
From some of the news articles of the 1950s and 1960s, reported in the press, this was the similar situation of Parliamentary proceedings of those days, when the Ruling Party had to respond to the serious challenges from the Opposition led by ex-PAP members in the Barisan Sosialis Party, as well as the Workers Party.
Parliamentary sessions were always alive and not merely entertaining (as always used as an excuse for NOT having an Opposition in Parliament), but for the fact that cutting issues are always brought up that expose the weaknesses and failings of the Ruling Party.
Unfortunately, as the Ruling Party became more entrenched, and the Ruling Elite became more omnipotent, with the aura of themselves being larger then or equal to the success story of Singapore, they become more impatient and less tolerant of criticism and exposure of failings and weaknesses brought up by the Opposition.
Parliamentary Committees have been formed - (with all members being from the Ruling Party) - to prosecute any Opposition MPs, who dare to raise any sensitive issues that embarrass the Ruling Party, and who will then be accused to have breached or abuse Parliamentary Proceedings.
Lawsuits to bankrupt the Opposition is also another tool to silence all legitimate criticism, with the artful twist in presenting the situation as personal slander.
This is "FIRST WORLD Politics" a la Singapore Style.
I didn't really like the NCMP JBJ from 1997 to 1999, although I continue to respect this man today.
This because it seems to me like, while trying to keep up with the reputation of grilling the PAP government, the quality and content of his speeches dropped.
Even if the politics in the Parliament of Britain and Taiwan are more aggressive, the content is not inferior and quality is not compromised.
Regards -
In my opinion; the opposition party (or any future Opp parties), are only armed with a puny wooden stick. While, PAP, is armed with mchine guns of the largest calibres.
That's all I have to say.
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I like the british parliament because they cannot swear at the opposition, they alway used some bomb-bastic words on the opposition quite funny at times.Originally posted by timothytsgsg:And when I watch the British Parliament sessions- especially after the London bombings, Iraq briefings etc, its always very crowded, very noisy and the speeches by both Tony Blair and the opposition members loud, chrismatic and strong.
Now that's real debating and real politics.
As for us quite boring is there such thing as opposition? -
Our Paliament is like the China or former Soviet style all pro-PAP. Those MP just say a little can clap hands when the big people speaks like PM LEE, MM LEE, SM GOH etc. Is it just all those big people to speak out and want to let Singaporeans that they are always right. Those PAP MP are just to "challenge" the big people or the government and they will have very little percentage to win one.Originally posted by tarutaru:I like the british parliament because they cannot swear at the opposition, they alway used some bomb-bastic words on the opposition quite funny at times.
As for us quite boring is there such thing as opposition? -
Yup I agree with you SDP is the worst opposition party in Singapore as they like to talk rubbish without acting and go overseas want to spoil the image of our government but actually is our country you know! After that foriegners think that Singapore no good and don't want to visit us. SDP really no brain and poor leadership and need Chiam See Tong to restore the past glory back if he goes back for the party chairman? Chee Soon Juan is a loser man!Originally posted by SGLoyalist:Hi,
I think it sounds contrary to, on one hand, says that the opposition parties should unite, and on the other hand, says that the SDP is "giving" opposition a "bad name".
Why would you want them to unite when you feel some opposition parties are giving the rest a "bad name"?
Regards -
Hi,Originally posted by gorby107:Yup I agree with you SDP is the worst opposition party in Singapore as they like to talk rubbish without acting and go overseas want to spoil the image of our government but actually is our country you know! After that foriegners think that Singapore no good and don't want to visit us. SDP really no brain and poor leadership and need Chiam See Tong to restore the past glory back if he goes back for the party chairman? Chee Soon Juan is a loser man!
I didn't say the SDP is the worst opposition party. You did
I am just saying, why you think SDP is the worst opposition party and yet want the opposition to unite.
Either you are contradicting or you are someone who have no problems washing your socks together with your toothbrush
Regards -
Hi,Originally posted by ShutterBug:In my opinion; the opposition party (or any future Opp parties), are only armed with a puny wooden stick. While, PAP, is armed with mchine guns of the largest calibres.
That's all I have to say.
Thank you
Even though I am with the Workers' Party, I agree with your opinion
What can opposition do when Singaporeans are the owners of the wooden sticks and machine guns, and have chosen to issue the machine guns to PAP candidates only and the wooden sticks to other non-PAP candidates
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Hi,Originally posted by tarutaru:I like the british parliament because they cannot swear at the opposition, they alway used some bomb-bastic words on the opposition quite funny at times.
As for us quite boring is there such thing as opposition?
There will be an opposition in Singapore if you and your friends start with yourselves by using your votes or your feet to get more alternative candidates elected into Parliament.
Right now, with the imbalance of partisanships in Parliament, any inter-partisan debate looks like a blanket party
Naturally, you don't hear any noise
If you and your army camp mates blanket party one camp mate, will you be able to hear any noise from the poor guy?
Regards -
Originally posted by gorby107:
It does not take too much effort to run down the Opposition Party, as there are more then enough smoke caused by the Ruling Party to blow into the direction of the Opposition, so as to befuddle on-lookers about the effectiveness of the Opposition Party.
Yup I agree with you SDP is the worst opposition party in Singapore as they like to talk rubbish without acting and go overseas want to spoil the image of our government but actually is our country you know! After that foriegners think that Singapore no good and don't want to visit us. SDP really no brain and poor leadership and need Chiam See Tong to restore the past glory back if he goes back for the party chairman? Chee Soon Juan is a loser man!
Can the Opposition Party actually be stronger than the Ruling Party, to the extent that it can unravel all the "effective works" that the Ruling Party has done for Singapore ?
If the Opposition Party can so easily ruin Singapore's good name overseas, then this "good name" of Singapore must be built on a "stack of card" with little foundation !
The Opposition Parties only "talk rubbish without acting" ?
Just read the articles in the reference list below, and hopefully you can gain an understanding of all the obstacles that the Ruling Party has put in the path of the Opposition, to prevent the public from being educated in the political process, and to prevent the public from being involved and being aware of the Opposition's politcal programmes.
SDP question delay in permit
http://www.singapore-window.org/sw01/010808af.htm
SDP question conditions for permit
http://www.singapore-window.org/sw01/010814af.htm
SDP Cancel Rally
http://www.singapore-window.org/sw01/010823af.htm
Why is the Government a.k.a. the Ruling Party being so paranoid with the idea of the Opposition Party holding public rallies ?
If the Ruling Party can conduct "election campaigning" through the year, surely the Opposition Parties should also be allowed to do the same ?
Yet the Police will be seen to show political preference towards the "hands that feed them" - and will be less tolerant with Opposition Parties attempts to hold public rallies:
Opposition Rally – No Threat to Law and Order
http://www.singapore-window.org/sw02/021001af.htm
Degrees of freedom in the Lion City – (S’pore’s Press Bias Coverage)
http://www.singapore-window.org/sw99/90417sc.htm
If you read the articles offered, you will hopefully gain an insight into how the Ruling Party abuse their position and authority, to prevent other political parties from reaching out to Singaporeans.
The Ruling Party probably does a better job to destroy Singapore's good name, with the authoritarian control over the lives of Singapore, where the Internal Security Act can be used to jail anyone - WITHOUT any charges and NO trials - based only on the "say-so" accusations of the Omnipotent Leader.
See the following articles:
Ex-detainee Chia Thye Poh Muzzled for Trip Abroad
http://www.singapore-window.org/0719scmp.htm
Security Act must go, says victim of 32 year ordeal
http://www.singapore-window.org/81128sc.htm
Spirit of AsiaÂ’s Mandela
http://www.singapore-window.org/sw00/001014mk.htm
Whatever that is said by the Opposition - when in Singapore - will seldom go into print, unless it is headlined news that are negative to the Opposition's interests.
When the Opposition gets a chance to make a sensible speech overseas, this is reported by the bias local press that will zero in on the negative speech of the Opposition, but will leave out the main body of the speeches made by the Opposition.
The entire population can only dpend on the broadcast media, the daily national papers, and television - ALL of which are controlled by the Government.
Did you get to read this article in the local papers in Singapore ?
The puzzle that never was – Speech given at Stanford University, Institute for International Studies
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taiwan has a new pro independence party, taiwan kuomintang endorsed by lee teng hui (not the present china kuomintang) , to confuse the general masses. do likewise and start a singapore pap.
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Do not talk about opposition party when most Singaporeans have "no balls" to vote for a two party system. Everyone hopes that there are some opposition MPs in the parliament but he/she also hopes that the opposite MP be elected in a constituency other than his/hers.
Every Singaporean has been brainwashed to believe that if there is an incompetent government being elected, Singapore will dwindle into a ruin. This is not true. Most of the countries in the world are governed by relatively worse governments than ours but they still thrive. Who dare say that these countries are not progressing. They are not as good as us because they have a much bigger population. If they are not progressing, why is it that Singapore is experiencing competition in economic development?
If only most Singaporean believe that there should be another group of competitors in the political arena, will Singapore see "real opposition" in the parliament. Certainly, people like Chee Soon Juan should not be among the competitor group.
Singaporean must first be prepared for the worst before they can enjoy a more decomcratic political environment. Democracy comes with a price. It may first deliver some confusion and upset before it provides a more liberal environment. Are Singaporean ready ? -
These countries you are referring to are self-sufficient. Even if the government is crap, other countries still have to buy agricultural produce from them. In short, they ahve their own supply of food and water while we have to depend heavily on KL for these.Originally posted by davbay:Every Singaporean has been brainwashed to believe that if there is an incompetent government being elected, Singapore will dwindle into a ruin. This is not true. Most of the countries in the world are governed by relatively worse governments than ours but they still thrive. Who dare say that these countries are not progressing. They are not as good as us because they have a much bigger population. If they are not progressing, why is it that Singapore is experiencing competition in economic development?
I have to say, sovereignity without self-sufficiency is not worth much. -
If you believe that Malaysia has got worse government than ours, or Indonesia has the same; they are not argricultural countries. They do not sell argricultural products for a living. They grow because of they have industries. Even if you call their government "crap", they are still progressing albeit at a slower pace.
Singaporean must be prepared to lose some before they gain some. Otherwise be a happy to remain a serf and stop complaining. -
Lee Teng Hui get out of the KMT and set up a new pro-independence party called the Taiwan Solidarity Union(TSU). They are now in the green party together with the DPP led by Ah-Bian is it??? If there is a new faction of PAP, the faction would be crushed by the old PAP within a few days by the help of the police who are loyal to them. So I think that having a new faction of PAP is impossible and risky too. You remember what happened to BS last time a split faction of PAP? Many of their members went to jail and during 1968 they did a silly thing by boycotting the parliament resulting the PAP to sweep all the seats of the parliament. After this it was the downfall for BS and it merged with WP at a later timeOriginally posted by iamgoondu:taiwan has a new pro independence party, taiwan kuomintang endorsed by lee teng hui (not the present china kuomintang) , to confuse the general masses. do likewise and start a singapore pap. -
What about James sung? Will he merge the PFP back with KMT?Originally posted by gorby107:Lee Teng Hui get out of the KMT and set up a new pro-independence party called the Taiwan Solidarity Union(TSU). They are now in the green party together with the DPP led by Ah-Bian is it??? If there is a new faction of PAP, the faction would be crushed by the old PAP within a few days by the help of the police who are loyal to them. So I think that having a new faction of PAP is impossible and risky too. You remember what happened to BS last time a split faction of PAP? Many of their members went to jail and during 1968 they did a silly thing by boycotting the parliament resulting the PAP to sweep all the seats of the parliament. After this it was the downfall for BS and it merged with WP at a later time -
Hi SGLoyalist,Originally posted by SGLoyalist:Hi,
I didn't say the SDP is the worst opposition party. You did
I am just saying, why you think SDP is the worst opposition party and yet want the opposition to unite.
Either you are contradicting or you are someone who have no problems washing your socks together with your toothbrush
Regards
I am sorry and deeply regretted for the posting without interpretating on yours.
Regards
Gorby107