NKF-that can of worms has already been opened!
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must let these greedy, heartless beasts die pain pain, abused the use of donors' money & aso wicked to the alreadi unfortunate kidney patients by squeezing them so much. wolves in sheep's skins.
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All crows in Singapore are Black in color. No surprise!!!Originally posted by taurian:must let these greedy, heartless beasts die pain pain, abused the use of donors' money & aso wicked to the alreadi unfortunate kidney patients by squeezing them so much. wolves in sheep's skins. 
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Err?? Crows in other countries not black????Originally posted by Lowclassman:All crows in Singapore are Black in color. No surprise!!! -
SINCE this is a political forum, lets talk some politics. The General Election is coming. It will be interesting to know HOW MANY VOTES the PAP Government would lose as a result of this NKF saga. In other countries, there will be survey or votes to guage the people's feelings.
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the KPMG report was interesting and the reponses from the various people involved from the board levels are even more interesting...
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It appears that nothing can be done to those who abused the NKF money because it would be difficult to prove them criminally wrong or negligent. and if ppl don't see punishment for such blatant abuses of public funds, they will take it out on the government during election.Originally posted by thinkloud2004:SINCE this is a political forum, lets talk some politics. The General Election is coming. It will be interesting to know HOW MANY VOTES the PAP Government would lose as a result of this NKF saga. In other countries, there will be survey or votes to guage the people's feelings.
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Nah, I don't think it's going to have much of an impact on the elections.Originally posted by thinkloud2004:SINCE this is a political forum, lets talk some politics. The General Election is coming. It will be interesting to know HOW MANY VOTES the PAP Government would lose as a result of this NKF saga. In other countries, there will be survey or votes to guage the people's feelings.
Singaporeans are a generally apathetic lot when it comes to things like this.
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seems its not only durian abuse power. The maltida lady also took advantage and jack her pay many times to more than 10k a mnth. It think there are many more who help themselves to the piggy bank.
NKF became their piggy bank. The excess money they took need to be return as according to what they should only be paid. -
I think this time it is different. When the saga first started, we saw many ppl actually took action to cancel donation, we saw ppl putting protest signs outside NKF building. We never find singaporean going all out as in this case. Its a lost of faith in an orgn well supported by the government.Originally posted by fudgester:Nah, I don't think it's going to have much of an impact on the elections.
Singaporeans are a generally apathetic lot when it comes to things like this.
Now it is interesting to see what the government would do. If the watchdogs failed in NKF case, can they also fail in other charitable orgn, and any other orgns that manage public funds?
when it comes to election, it is just a tick at a different place and that is not difficult to do. -
might as well called NKF, NKF MONEY BANK PTE LTD.
This remember me of LKY philosophy on eradicating corruption. Pay top people very high so that they will not corrupt. Its still the same, the greed problem still there. Now worse, its a more legal way of helping themselves to the NKF piggy bank. And very hard to prove any corrupt practice involved. -
i think these ppl are very smart (lawyer and etc) and they manipulated the system well so i don't think any of them will get in any real trouble.
personally i hope to see justice done. how can ppl still donate to nkf if justice is not seen to be done???
lucky he dare to sue sph or else they all still raking in the $$$. -
The big reserves is for more digging in a big scale in the future. The bigger the reserve the more they can dig and keep. What they dig out into their pockets will be insignificant and can be cover up.
Just imgine if the reserves hits a billion, even a million goes into his and his sidekicks pocket through legal ways, nobody will notice and cannot be prosecuted if legally done so.
extreme over the scale high salary equals to would be corrupt money and low salary. And legally clean and can be called honest money. -
I suppose it will be too much to hope that Durai and the rest of his cronies get some jail time? *slaps head* Oh yeah, what was I thinking. Never happen.
I also think NKF is lying about how long the reserves will last. -
All say...Originally posted by mistyblue:the KPMG report was interesting and the reponses from the various people involved from the board levels are even more interesting...
Not mi not mi
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Mr Durian is a lawyer.
He will not be prosecuted under any charges as what he have done in according to what is stated for the Charity Organisation.
So, he is not that stupid to commit a crime if he is well read of the law.
The Board of Directors will be blamed for not doing their job in exercising their control and supervision.
The Ministry involved will have to be responsible for not doing their supervision.
In conclusion, Mr Durian will be scot free as he have not commited any crime. -
in the end everyone except the donors, will be happy and satisfied.
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surely there must be some way to deal with this scumbag, we can't let him go scot free right?Originally posted by Medicated Oil:Mr Durian is a lawyer.
He will not be prosecuted under any charges as what he have done in according to what is stated for the Charity Organisation.
So, he is not that stupid to commit a crime if he is well read of the law.
The Board of Directors will be blamed for not doing their job in exercising their control and supervision.
The Ministry involved will have to be responsible for not doing their supervision.
In conclusion, Mr Durian will be scot free as he have not commited any crime. -
Unfortunately in Singapore, its not what crime you commit, but rather who you are and who you know that determines the punishment. People have gone to jail and had their lives ruined for doing a lot less while others from a different strata of society have gotten off scott free for much worse.Originally posted by kenishi1976:surely there must be some way to deal with this scumbag, we can't let him go scot free right? -
I believe he is only in law by academic and not practise, or maybe he dictates the law in the NKF, that is why he is able to siphon money in and out with ease....The law in the Charity Organisation is loose and he took advantage of it. It is a despeciable action of what he did. Doubt the Board of Directors can be spared too.Originally posted by Medicated Oil:Mr Durian is a lawyer.
He will not be prosecuted under any charges as what he have done in according to what is stated for the Charity Organisation.
So, he is not that stupid to commit a crime if he is well read of the law.
The Board of Directors will be blamed for not doing their job in exercising their control and supervision.
The Ministry involved will have to be responsible for not doing their supervision.
In conclusion, Mr Durian will be scot free as he have not commited any crime.
My conclusion is that there is more to come, he will not be able to get scot free... -
The patients also lose outOriginally posted by dragg:in the end everyone except the donors, will be happy and satisfied. -
The Durian case tears into the heart and fabric of our society and many fingers are pointing to the govt.
Yes, it is not the Minister's directive. But responsibility flows upward. For too long, this country has been running like an Inc where it should be run like a country. For too long, this govt has been fattening its wallet despite pleading from the people to go slow on price and cost increases, in a period of worst economic recession.
NKF, sadly, is but just a mirror of the govt's mindset. -
Dun say until like that lah.Originally posted by pat33:The Durian case tears into the heart and fabric of our society and many fingers are pointing to the govt.
Yes, it is not the Minister's directive. But responsibility flows upward. For too long, this country has been running like an Inc where it should be run like a country. For too long, this govt has been fattening its wallet despite pleading from the people to go slow on price and cost increases, in a period of worst economic recession.
NKF, sadly, is but just a mirror of the govt's mindset.
Election coming, you know. -
Doesn't this remain all of us about what we learnt during national service?
`Do anything you want but just don't get caught'
We need to take a pro-active approach towards corporate governance, not wait till all is exposed than we start pointing fingers.
We are just basically too complacent.
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Those at the top are not afraid at all to even counter-sue whistle-blowers.
Look what happened to whistle-blowers who exposed Durai.
We need to enact laws to encourage and protect whistle-blowers on white-collar wrongdoing.
If not, white-collar abuses and wrongdoing continue to be kept in the dark
and the guilty continue to mislead the innocent public.
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I hope people start harping more on issues of transparency and accountability after this NKF fiasco. Especially since elections are just around the corner.