The Health Minister have to answer this
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Where is the Health Ministry when patients who cannot afford dialysis are send home to die ?
taken from sammyboy:
http://forums.delphiforums.com/sammyboymod/messages/?msg=77315
First, a hint that a Committee of Inquiry may be held...
http://www.channelnewsasia.com/cgi-bin/search/search_7days.pl?status=&search=committee%20of%20inquiry&id=158013
"...Although there are no plans for a committee of inquiry into this, Mr Lee(Hsien Loong) has not ruled one out...."
...to, now, an internal investigation to be conducted by the interim board.
http://www.channelnewsasia.com/stories/singaporelocalnews/view/158237/1/.html
"...Dr Balakrishnan said: "At this point in time, everyone should take a deep breath and let's wait for the interim board to get into position and conduct their investigations and let us know what really happened and what the true situation is...."
From an indication that a open Committee of Inquiry may be held to an Internal Investigation conducted behind closed doors by the interim board. Why should anyone trust the outcome of an investigation conducted by the interim board which is conducted behind close doors?
A Committee of Inquiry must be held. One of the terms of reference for the COI must be to determine whether there was any truth by the statement made by NKF Chairman Richard Yong that:
"...In 1986, it ran out of money, so he (NKF Chairman Richard Yong) and other board members had to make the heart-wrenching decision of who among their 32 patients should continue with dialysis, and who would have to be sent home with morphine to die..." ST, April 2004
If that statement was truthful, the COI should determine why the Singapore Government and the Minister of Health in particular, allowed some amongst the "32" people "to be sent home with morphine to die". Even without this pledge(see below) by MOH, it is totally unacceptable for patients to be sent home to die just because an organisation like the NKF "ran out of money".
http://www.moh-healthprofessionals.gov.sg/html/hppin.html
"...However, no Singaporean will be denied access to the healthcare system through their inability to pay." Ministry of Health, Singapore
At the very least, the Minister of Health at that time should be held responsible for the deaths of "some" amongst these "32" people who were "sent home with morphine to die". -
If a Doctor passed by the site of an accident and saw someone dying and decided to walk away, will he be disciplined under the current medical prefessional codes of ethics or duties.
Now if MOH knew that among the 32 patents some might be sent home by NKF to die, would he be as quilty of an offence or breach of the doctor's codes of ethics for which he could penalize any defaulting doctor. -
its either that or Richard Yong is lying to milk more public sympathy.Originally posted by robertteh:If a Doctor passed by the site of an accident and saw someone dying and decided to walk away, will he be disciplined under the current medical prefessional codes of ethics or duties.
Now if MOH knew that among the 32 patents some might be sent home by NKF to die, would he be as quilty of an offence or breach of the doctor's codes of ethics for which he could penalize any defaulting doctor. -
That sounds a little harsh to me. Let's look at it in another perspective.Originally posted by robertteh:If a Doctor passed by the site of an accident and saw someone dying and decided to walk away, will he be disciplined under the current medical prefessional codes of ethics or duties.
Say a victim is having breathing complications, and the doctor in question is an eye specialist, for example. He would be expected to know some basic first aid. But what if he decides to offer assistance, and ends up causing more harm than good? Blame goes to doctor? -
Originally posted by MrIllusion:
Eye specialist or not, he is a Doctor and has received the training fundamentals before graduating with a Medical Degree, which allowed him to progress to choose to be an Eye SPECIALIST.
That sounds a little harsh to me. Let's look at it in another perspective.
Say a victim is having breathing complications, and the doctor in question is an eye specialist, for example. He would be expected to know some basic first aid. But what if he decides to offer assistance, and ends up causing more harm than good? Blame goes to doctor?
In the circumstance brought up, the best that any Doctor - (trained in the Science of Medicinal Healings) - could do is to stabilise the situation to the best of his experience and ability.
Still it is horrifying to learn that some of the 32 patients have been turned away to die a lonely and painful death - not only suffered by the patient alone, but also by the families.
Is this a situation that is acceptable by a Country supposedly to have the SWISS Standard of Living, and supposed to have arrived from a Third World into the league of the FIRST WORLD ? -
moral of the story is never let anyone know what you did is wrong of.Originally posted by Atobe:Eye specialist or not, he is a Doctor and has received the training fundamentals before graduating with a Medical Degree, which allowed him to progress to choose to be an Eye SPECIALIST.
In the circumstance brought up, the best that any Doctor - (trained in the Science of Medicinal Healings) - could do is to stabilise the situation to the best of his experience and ability.
even it wrong as a facts to the whole wrold, never let anyone get hold of the handle or you will be push around.
for this PAP had done a great job for the pass nearly 40 years. facts is that they done better job in covering up facts.
way to go... another 40 years? i really hope not. -
The Health Minister have to answer this...
or pack up and go back to where he came from... MY!!! -
I suspect there is more to it on NKF...
KDF sub more leh...
Give the minister time to get this, as it can be a long and time consuming to get all the past 10 yrs records out -
all of them had to go now because they did not do the job. they wait till thing get out of hand than start doing mouth work... wait for him to get thing clear are not likely at all but more cover up nia.Originally posted by sbst275:I suspect there is more to it on NKF...
KDF sub more leh...
Give the minister time to get this, as it can be a long and time consuming to get all the past 10 yrs records out
best part is any things or person related to them such as relative member, closed friends of the LEE are all up to no GOOD.
any ah beng or ah sheng on the st can do that. WAIT. do some talk. cover up. best is wait till ppl 4gets. -
LEE.. Anyway.. I think someone could have been behind this to make a show...Originally posted by Joshua1975:all of them had to go now because they did not do the job. they wait till thing get out of hand than start doing mouth work... wait for him to get thing clear are not likely at all but more cover up nia.
best part is any things or person related to them such as relative member, closed friends of the LEE are all up to no GOOD.
any ah beng or ah sheng on the st can do that. WAIT. do some talk. cover up. best is wait till ppl 4gets.
More cover up? Forgot what the health minister did during SARS period? -
comon SPH leh, whose side they on you think?Originally posted by sbst275:LEE.. Anyway.. I think someone could have been behind this to make a show...
china need more fund there now and CPF is dry, COE no many ppl bidding, what else can they to do now? CHARITY???
watrai is just another goat. so wat if got a bad name, peanuts count is good enough for him. -
SPH... Cannot trust them anymore, during bus fare hikes, they made lots of untruth, like what buses only used for 12 yrs out of 17 yrs allowed... If that's true, then those NAC buses should have been scrapped already since they came in late 1980's.Originally posted by Joshua1975:comon SPH leh, whose side they on you think?
china need more fund there now and CPF is dry, COE no many ppl bidding, what else can they to do now? CHARITY???
watrai is just another goat. so wat if got a bad name, peanuts count is good enough for him. -
something bigger going on in here... someone did not get what they think they should have get and now...
projects in CHINA need funding now for sure... HO dun have much with her as she lost lots of it back in ST blah, ST blah, ST blah, wherever she been to, that co lost some...
PAP going down? i keep asking myself, so when is our dear MM coming out to say a few sh|t...
monkey show just about to start and i hope it dun end so fast... but look like ppl are fast in forgetting things.
maybe that is SG'rean' ways of life. what to do... hip hip hooray... -
Aiya... Under her, govt $$ dunno went where... Like NOL then, sold off @ $0.79... Buy back @ $2.80... What is this?Originally posted by Joshua1975:something bigger going on in here... someone did not get what they think they should have get and now...
projects in CHINA need funding now for sure... HO dun have much with her as she lost lots of it back in ST blah, ST blah, ST blah, wherever she been to, that co lost some...
PAP going down? i keep asking myself, so when is our dear MM coming out to say a few sh|t...
monkey show just about to start and i hope it dun end so fast... but look like ppl are fast in forgetting things.
maybe that is SG'rean' ways of life. what to do... hip hip hooray... -
so far the nkf matter has not been raised in parliament ... knn
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TomorrowOriginally posted by crazy monkey:so far the nkf matter has not been raised in parliament ... knn -
I thought I read in the papers last week that some MPs, including several vocal ones, were to ask about the NKF saga in Parliament this week, starting Monday.
Did I miss anything or indeed the issue was not raised at all?
Only a minister statement tomolo.
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i thought its monday too.
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Today, 3p.m. LIVE, CNAOriginally posted by dragg:i thought its monday too. -
Originally posted by robertteh:
The Hippocratic oath is still revered today as the ethical code of professional conduct expected of doctors, and is recited by all graduating medical students in Singapore.
If a Doctor passed by the site of an accident and saw someone dying and decided to walk away, will he be disciplined under the current medical prefessional codes of ethics or duties.
Now if MOH knew that among the 32 patents some might be sent home by NKF to die, would he be as quilty of an offence or breach of the doctor's codes of ethics for which he could penalize any defaulting doctor.
However, also in Singapore, the fealty sworn to Mammon seems to supercede the Hippocratic oath. Hence the conventional wisdom "It is cheaper to die than to fall sick in Singapore". -
Really? I wonder how much is Temasek losing now?Originally posted by Joshua1975:something bigger going on in here... someone did not get what they think they should have get and now...
projects in CHINA need funding now for sure... HO dun have much with her as she lost lots of it back in ST blah, ST blah, ST blah, wherever she been to, that co lost some...
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silly me.
i lost 16k cash trading chartered semiconductor. -
SINGAPORE : Health Minister Khaw Boon Wan has identified six crucial areas which he says the new National Kidney Foundation (NKF) Board must address quickly to restore public confidence in the charity.
A top concern he says, must be to ensure that patient care and existing clinical services in NKF's 21 dialysis centres is not disrupted.
Another area is a review of the NKF's reserves, and its adequacy before embarking on new fund-raising activities.
Thirdly, corporate governance must be reviewed to ensure the Board maintains sufficient independence from the management.
Mr Khaw stressed that the organisation has to fully address the public unease over allegations of questionable practices and inappropriate spending of charity funds.
Although no issues had been raised following previous audits of NKF's accounts through the years, he says it would be helpful to commission a fresh and detailed review of financial controls within the organisation.
The new Board has already appointed the audit firm KPMG for this and the findings will be made public.
In addition, Mr Khaw says NKF's communications with donors should be scrutinised to make sure there were no misleading statements.
And finally, the charity's pricing and subsidy policies for its dialysis programme should be reviewed to ensure adequate assistance was being provided.
He rejected the idea, however, of NKF providing dialysis services for free.
Mr Khaw says patients and families should take co-responsibility, so they could retain their self-esteem and live their lives more confidently.
Noting the impact of the NKF controversy on its staff, Mr Khaw says staff morale would also have to be restored.
so who shd be responsible for the misleading figures, Mr Khaw ? -
What Mr. Khaw has announced reflected the same government's own tax-and-recover policy aimed at building of its own unlimited reserves now hitting S$220 billions causing extreme hardships to its people without accountability or transparency.Originally posted by crazy monkey:SINGAPORE : Health Minister Khaw Boon Wan has identified six crucial areas which he says the new National Kidney Foundation (NKF) Board must address quickly to restore public confidence in the charity.
A top concern he says, must be to ensure that patient care and existing clinical services in NKF's 21 dialysis centres is not disrupted.
Another area is a review of the NKF's reserves, and its adequacy before embarking on new fund-raising activities.
Thirdly, corporate governance must be reviewed to ensure the Board maintains sufficient independence from the management.
Mr Khaw stressed that the organisation has to fully address the public unease over allegations of questionable practices and inappropriate spending of charity funds.
Although no issues had been raised following previous audits of NKF's accounts through the years, he says it would be helpful to commission a fresh and detailed review of financial controls within the organisation.
The new Board has already appointed the audit firm KPMG for this and the findings will be made public.
In addition, Mr Khaw says NKF's communications with donors should be scrutinised to make sure there were no misleading statements.
And finally, the charity's pricing and subsidy policies for its dialysis programme should be reviewed to ensure adequate assistance was being provided.
He rejected the idea, however, of NKF providing dialysis services for free.
Mr Khaw says patients and families should take co-responsibility, so they could retain their self-esteem and live their lives more confidently.
Noting the impact of the NKF controversy on its staff, Mr Khaw says staff morale would also have to be restored.
so who shd be responsible for the misleading figures, Mr Khaw ?
Despite people's hardships during the recessions and downturns, the Government will continue to privatise its essential services and increase fees and charges to build its reserve for all government ministries and statutory boards as can be seen from its unjust double taxing on lands in sale of HDB flats and triple taxing on vehicle ownership in the form of exercise, COE and ERP.
There is the same greed to keep building its own coffers and paying out large obsenely high salaries in the name of attracting good managers or leaders from the large and unlimited reserve being built. There is the same talk to use build large unlimited reserves like endowment funds from which to pay out small insignifcant small sums to the suffering people for mere subsistence.
When it comes to disclosure on alleged lavish spending on all kinds of luxurious community clubs and the 7 wonders there is the same total evasion of accountability and transparency and yet there is no hesitation to quickly paying the surpluses out in the form of billion-dollars annuities and hyper-salaries to its own political elites.
Given the above-mentioned circumstances will the new board, commission of inquiries or KPMG ever want to rock the boat or return any guilty findings on Durai or NKF? It think it might be another eye-wash like the Nicol Highway case where the negligence of political leaders were never the subject of any queries at the inquiry. -
so many questions left unanswered. NKF problems have been brewing for so many years oredi why didnt the ministry take action earlier. Khaw keep pushing the blame wtf.