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Suicide bomber? I am not so wei3 da4 or desperate.Originally posted by pearlie27:Oops, hope you are not going to be a suicide bomber!
We have been very apathetic for the past 3 decades but thanks to the internet we are beginning to be more aware the socio-economical and political issues affecting us. We've just awakened so don't expect any change overnight.
Online petitions and street protests are not the only or best way to improve a country. I think it would be better to raise the awareness of the people so that all could contribute and be involved in the problem solving process of the nation. Through vibrant discussion and questioning we could open up our vision and explore all options and pitfalls. Life in Singapore would then be enhanced.
Vibrant discussion has been the norm for many years since 1997. In Singapore, almost every one below 50 years old are unsatisfied with the gov. But what are 99% of these people doing? - Discuss and complain within themselves. You can actually reviewed what was discussed in this speaker's corner since it started in 2000 and see how much discussion was there. But I don't recall any concrete actions done by the forumites.
So will Singaporeans, esp. the educated forumites here continue to be all talk, no action for the next 5 years? Stay tune in 2010! -
It seems to me that some among us raise their eyebrows at ridiculous policies being raised.Originally posted by Cindyfeh:Suicide bomber? I am not so wei3 da4 or desperate.
Vibrant discussion has been the norm for many years since 1997. In Singapore, almost every one below 50 years old are unsatisfied with the gov. But what are 99% of these people doing? - Discuss and complain within themselves. You can actually reviewed what was discussed in this speaker's corner since it started in 2000 and see how much discussion was there. But I don't recall any concrete actions done by the forumites.
So will Singaporeans, esp. the educated forumites here continue to be all talk, no action for the next 5 years? Stay tune in 2010!
Others like ourselves, discuss it in meaningful forums.
And a 3rd group of people actually do something about it.
Unfortunately, a minority of disgruntled prefer to chide those who comment but 'do nothing'.
I wonder which is worse. -
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Originally posted by Cindyfeh:
Besides being enchanted with the thought of "migration", you are also cynical towards Singaporean's grouse towards the Ruling Party, the Government and its Policies.
Suicide bomber? I am not so wei3 da4 or desperate.
Vibrant discussion has been the norm for many years since 1997. In Singapore, almost every one below 50 years old are unsatisfied with the gov. But what are 99% of these people doing? - Discuss and complain within themselves. You can actually reviewed what was discussed in this speaker's corner since it started in 2000 and see how much discussion was there. But I don't recall any concrete actions done by the forumites.
So will Singaporeans, esp. the educated forumites here continue to be all talk, no action for the next 5 years? Stay tune in 2010!
You constantly demand "concrete actions" while your only and best option seems to be to MIGRATE - to quit Singapore ?
By your constant appeal to know what are our "concrete actions" to overcome our seemingly pathetic positions, are you looking for your answer in the "concrete actions" that we can offer for your consideration ?
Before any of our "concrete actions" can be understood by you, can you understand the circumstances that each and anyone of us maybe in that will result in different "concrete actions" that we can possibly make ?
What may be "concrete actions" to some of us here, may not possibly satisfy your preference towards - PERHAPS - a more PRO-ACTIVE and REVOLUTIONARY ACTIONS ?
Given the fact that the Ruling Party has all the tools of political power in their possession, and that every Singaporean is subject to the threat of the Internal Security Act being imposed, can there be any "concrete actions" beyond the "milder and more circumspect" approach to deal with our present set of circumstances.
We could adopt the CONCRETE and PRO-ACTIVE actions similar to that of SDP CSJ - which is "SHOCK and AWE" - that get the Ruling Party all riled up, and seeing him as a Wild Card that can provide a serious challenge to the Era of LHL - otherwise, why should the Ruling Party make use of every government machinery to thwart and suppress the emergence of SDP CSJ onto the National Stage ?
If SDP CSJ is a non-issue, and cannot threaten the peacefull reign of LHL, would it not be better for the image of Singapore that the Ruling Party should accomodate an alternative views from SDP CSJ ?
Reading some of his books, you will note that he has some substance in his writing, which unfortunately one cannot understand how his delivery can be so poorly managed - and which has caused him so much unnecessary hardship.
Is this the kind of "concrete actions" you are looking for ?
Or perhaps, you prefer the kind of "concrete actions" from the likes of Chiam (SDA) and Low (WP), in which they conduct a cosy relationship with the Ruling Party - in a " live and let live " and " you scratch-my-back, I-scratch-yours " kind of twilight zone ?
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Sorry I touched on your sore point of "all talk, no action". All great things are achieved through actions. You can talk and analyse till kingdom come and in 2010, you will still be talking and complaining.Originally posted by BillyBong:It seems to me that some among us raise their eyebrows at ridiculous policies being raised.
Others like ourselves, discuss it in meaningful forums.
And a 3rd group of people actually do something about it.
Unfortunately, a minority of disgruntled prefer to chide those who comment but 'do nothing'.
I wonder which is worse.
Whats wrong with migrating? I didn't portray myself as a patriotic Singaporean. I have a very concrete action plan to quit Singapore. It is a very tough plan but I am much guaranteed of the result if I can pull through. Does endless complaining and discussion get any results other than more frustrations?Originally posted by Atobe:Besides being enchanted with the thought of "migration", you are also cynical towards Singaporean's grouse towards the Ruling Party, the Government and its Policies.
You constantly demand "concrete actions" while your only and best option seems to be to MIGRATE - to quit Singapore ?
By your constant appeal to know what are our "concrete actions" to overcome our seemingly pathetic positions, are you looking for your answer in the "concrete actions" that we can offer for your consideration ?
Cynical towards Singaporean's grouse towards the Ruling Party, the Government and its Policies? I am more amused by the all-talk no-action attitude of Singaporeans. I did do my part for Singapore by asking forumites here "What are your concrete plans?" By the way, any concrete action plans that you plan to do is really none of my business. You do not need to share your plans with me. But I think it is a good idea to share with other forumites like Billy here who might contribute (of cos that depends on whether if he is a talker or doer). I do not care unless it affects my chances of migrating. -
Originally posted by Cindyfeh:
Was there any indication in my post to suggest that migrating is wrong ?
Whats wrong with migrating? I didn't portray myself as a patriotic Singaporean. I have a very concrete action plan to quit Singapore. It is a very tough plan but I am much guaranteed of the result if I can pull through. Does endless complaining and discussion get any results other than more frustrations?
Hardly, as I believe that it is the prerogative decision of anyone to do what is best for oneself under a given set of experience and circumstances.
In other words : "To each his or her own" - if you cannot discern the position.
Unfortunately, since you are decided on migrating, why bother to question those who prefer to stay behind, and pose a most condescending question of "What concrete actions do all the "talkers" - (at Speakers' Corner) - intend to take, other then being 'ALL TALK AND NO ACTION' ? ".
In life, there are no guarantee of the results.
Why should you consider it to be a tough plan to " MIGRATE " - when you are already clear in your position about LIFE in Singapore ?
"MIGRATION" is like another adventure in one's Life Experience, whether it is experienced locally, or overseas.
It is merely a new chapter that one decide to take, much like when one decide to commit oneself to a new and comfortable relationship.
It need not be traumatic in the manner that you put your own position to be.
Whether you live in Singapore or anywhere else, you will experience similar joys, frustrations, misgivings, fears, disappointments - although the same feelings maybe more intense when experienced again in a new physical and mental environment.
If you do encounter similar frustrations, misgivings, fears, and disappointments in your new place of domicile, what do you intend to do ? Immigrate again ?
Serisously, psychologists will tell you that 'endless complaining and discussions' can be healing, and therapeutic in itself.
Why do you think the Singapore Government allow Speakers' Corner to continue ?
"MIGRATION" is NO BIG DEAL - when the entire globe is opening up, and one can perpetually be on the move.:
Is your part so simply completed by merely asking and engaging forumites here a simple question:
Cynical towards Singaporean's grouse towards the Ruling Party, the Government and its Policies? I am more amused by the all-talk no-action attitude of Singaporeans. I did do my part for Singapore by asking forumites here "What are your concrete plans?" By the way, any concrete action plans that you plan to do is really none of my business. You do not need to share your plans with me. But I think it is a good idea to share with other forumites like Billy here who might contribute (of cos that depends on whether if he is a talker or doer). I do not care unless it affects my chances of migrating.
" What are your concrete plans ? "
Where do you intend to lead those who intend to engage you in this question - especially when any of our concrete action plans that we "plan to do is really none of my business" - as you stated now ?
So why do you even bother to ask ? -
Migration is no big deal?
If you want to migrate to Malaysia or Indonesia, it is no big deal. I am sure it will be an easy process as they welcome you with open arms. If you want to migrate to developed countries it is not as easy. They will want you to have the relevant degree and working experiences. That is not easy. For example if you are a very good logistic manager it may not be easy for you to migrate as not every developed country need such talents. Either you forget about such countries or you change your profession to fit into what they want. If you are changing your profession, you may need to study and build up your resume again. That is what I am doing now and it is lots of effort. And we have not talk about the other half yet.
Whether you are all-talk no action or an action man doesn't matter much to me as long as it doesn't affect my chance of migrating. Also as stated in my previous message, I am doing my last bit for Singapore by trying to encourage people to take actions.
Every smoker knows that smoking is harmful and can result in lung cancer. But only those who take action to quit smoking will have their chance of having cancer reduced. -
Originally posted by Cindyfeh:
How much more condescending can you be ?
Migration is no big deal?
If you want to migrate to Malaysia or Indonesia, it is no big deal. I am sure it will be an easy process as they welcome you with open arms. If you want to migrate to developed countries it is not as easy. They will want you to have the relevant degree and working experiences. That is not easy. For example if you are a very good logistic manager it may not be easy for you to migrate as not every developed country need such talents. Either you forget about such countries or you change your profession to fit into what they want. If you are changing your profession, you may need to study and build up your resume again. That is what I am doing now and it is lots of effort. And we have not talk about the other half yet.
Is it such a "BIG" deal in this age of globalisation ?
Is it a " BIG DEAL " if the immigration process becomes more difficult ?
Do you think that Malaysia, or Indonesia, or any Third World Country will not jealously guard new migrants into their country as much as the developed countries or the First World ?
Are you suggesting that Third World Countries such as Malaysia or Indonesia are less stringent, and make it less difficult for someone or anyone to migrate into their population ?
What makes you think that by the time you graduate with a new degree - so as to be accepted - that such a degree will remain to be acceptable by the First World countries ?
Either one pay a migrant's fee in a lump sum, or if one do not have ready cash, one can still enter a country on a Student's Visa, or on a Student's Guardian Visa, which allows one to get a job, and eventually to be absorbed into the community as a Permanent Resident.
Despite your views of the situation in Singapore, there are some citizens from the First World, who find Singapore attractive, and have decided to become Singaporeans !!!
With Singapore's immigration policy being so tough towards foreigners to enter Singapore (especially those without skills and from the Third World), and by your standards, Singapore should be a dream place for migrants to come.
Why are you leaving ?:
How clever of you to do your last bit for Singapore by "starting a Fire, then scoot off to a First World Country" , while the Singaporeans who believe in you and take "concrete actions " remain to face the " music " ?
Whether you are all-talk no action or an action man doesn't matter much to me as long as it doesn't affect my chance of migrating. Also as stated in my previous message, I am doing my last bit for Singapore by trying to encourage people to take actions.
Do you think that after " instigating " the "all-talk-and-no-action" forumites to take concrete actions, the after effects will not affect you and your chances of migrating ?:
Only the non-smokers will believe in you, while those smokers - who knows what is good for themselves - will not !
Every smoker knows that smoking is harmful and can result in lung cancer. But only those who take action to quit smoking will have their chance of having cancer reduced.
Do you know that those who have smoked and quit smoking SUDDENLY will die sooner, while those who begin a regimented program to reduce smoking in a " slow and steady withdrawal approach " will have some chance of living longer than those who believe in "IMMEDIATE RESULTS through IMMEDIATE ACTIONS" by stopping to smoke completely and suddenly ???!!!
You ought to know that you CAN still be striken with CANCER, whether you smoke or not, and this include lung cancer as well. -
Back to this thread of "ERP fare increases and implementation of northbound CTE ERP" .
It seems that a new NORTH-SOUTH Highway is being planned and is subject to the "success" - (should be FAILURE) - of the new evening northbound ERP in regulating the flow of traffic on the CTE.
When ERP was introduced on the morning southbound traffic along the CTE heading into the City, all the peripheral roads along Serangoon and Thomson Roads experienced an unusual heavier traffic.
This resulted in ERP also being installed at strategic locations along Serangoon and Thomson Roads.
It will seem that new gantries will also be installed to moderate traffic flows along these roads as NORTH-BOUND traffic divert away from the CTE into these same peripheral roads too.
In time, ERP gantries will be a feature for traffic leading in and out of the City areas, and that will complete the cycle of ERP program, which will allow the Government to collect revenue from the ERP devices installed in every vehicles.
It will be like a taxi meter running for as long as the car is on the road, and our cash being transferred via the ERP - like a "cash-on-line" directly into the Government's pocket, and with the meters fitted into our vehicles.
All of us will be like ants running around the island, and the Queen Ant sits smugly and watching the cash - (topped-up into our Cash Card) - flowing into the bank account. -
Great things are achieved through actions by those who face the problem. Running away from the problem does not solve the problem. If you run because you can't handle the problem, you are running away like a coward.Originally posted by Cindyfeh:Sorry I touched on your sore point of "all talk, no action". All great things are achieved through actions. You can talk and analyse till kingdom come and in 2010, you will still be talking and complaining.
Analysing the problem and sharing the findings help us to understand the problem. While you complained about FT in singapore, you also challenged forumites to start a petition to bring in Clinton because he could boost economy. "Anyone dare to start an online petition to get him to come here?" You are a confused kid not knowing exactly what you want.
Asking for concrete plans from other forumites is what you can do for singapore ???Originally posted by Cindyfeh:Whats wrong with migrating? I didn't portray myself as a patriotic Singaporean. I have a very concrete action plan to quit Singapore. It is a very tough plan but I am much guaranteed of the result if I can pull through. Does endless complaining and discussion get any results other than more frustrations?
Cynical towards Singaporean's grouse towards the Ruling Party, the Government and its Policies? I am more amused by the all-talk no-action attitude of Singaporeans. I did do my part for Singapore by asking forumites here "What are your concrete plans?" By the way, any concrete action plans that you plan to do is really none of my business. You do not need to share your plans with me. But I think it is a good idea to share with other forumites like Billy here who might contribute (of cos that depends on whether if he is a talker or doer). I do not care unless it affects my chances of migrating.
At least singapore is providing you a place where you can try to gain acceptance to another country, I don't see any of your contribution to singapore. You are a talker and a runner, certainly not a doer. -
Originally posted by cowpeh:
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Man, you guys are really great talkers and analysers.
Say that I am a quiter or runner, I don't give a dam. It is still an action.
I leave you with this:
If your forefathers and mothers just talk and analyse on whether to quit or not to quit China, most prob you will still be in China now.
Cowpeh, looks like you are having a good time eh? -
Originally posted by Cindyfeh:
Our forefathers and mothers only had themselves to talk to when they decide to migrate.
Man, you guys are really great talkers and analysers.
Say that I am a quiter or runner, I don't give a dam. It is still an action.
I leave you with this:
If your forefathers and mothers just talk and analyse on whether to quit or not to quit China, most prob you will still be in China now.
Cowpeh, looks like you are having a good time eh?
They had no qualms about migrating, and migration was " no big deal " then as it was quite common even for traders from the south to travel the land route that takes months to arrive into the next trading center.
They simply packed up and quietly leave, and did not attempt to goad others into 'ACTION'.
No trumpets were needed, and no one criticized those others who prefer to remain behind and not embark on the opportunity of a Life's time adventure.
Circumspect quietness has their own advantages. -
It seems you take great personal enjoyment in sliming the comments of others. Maybe that's your sole purpose in this forum for apart from goading the thoughts of others, you have not contributed anything 'concrete' yourself.Originally posted by Cindyfeh:Man, you guys are really great talkers and analysers.
Say that I am a quiter or runner, I don't give a dam. It is still an action.
I leave you with this:
If your forefathers and mothers just talk and analyse on whether to quit or not to quit China, most prob you will still be in China now.
Cowpeh, looks like you are having a good time eh?
There are many 'concrete actions' the unwashed like ourselves can do to make a difference. Either we write to the press and express our views, or join an opposition with the right values and actively participate in politics. These are just 2 options open. Just because people express strong views but 'appear' to do nothing doesn't imply that they are mere 'talkers' and 'analysers'.
Sadly your concept of migration being a form of action is flawed. It likens to an obligatory contract with a carefully crafted escape clause in fine print to save your hide. -
Don't know whether you realise it or not, but your "encouragement" sounded more like instigation, inciting Singaporeans to petition, to stage street protests, etc.Originally posted by Cindyfeh:Nothing at all, no petition, no street protests, etc.
Also as stated in my previous message, I am doing my last bit for Singapore by trying to encourage people to take actions.
Yes, migrating is concrete action, but for those who stay behind, street protests, etc aren't smart action plan. For now, it is still better to opt for a non-confrontational approach. -
Suicide bombers are not wei3 da4 or desperate. They are brain-washed people who see no value in human lives, others' as well as their own. But since you're working very hard to improve your life I don't think you don't value your life at all.Originally posted by Cindyfeh:Suicide bomber? I am not so wei3 da4 or desperate.
Vibrant discussion has been the norm for many years since 1997. In Singapore, almost every one below 50 years old are unsatisfied with the gov. But what are 99% of these people doing? - Discuss and complain within themselves. You can actually reviewed what was discussed in this speaker's corner since it started in 2000 and see how much discussion was there. But I don't recall any concrete actions done by the forumites.
So will Singaporeans, esp. the educated forumites here continue to be all talk, no action for the next 5 years? Stay tune in 2010!
"In Singapore, almost every one below 50 years old are unsatisfied with the gov." - wow, that sounds serious! I think you should offer some facts to support that rather strong statement, you know?
What kind of concrete actions do you expect from forumites who complain? Migrate? Some forumites have already done that. To stage street protests? Some protests did take place but were stopped by the police. So?
Though we have started to have active discussions since the late 1990s, our views and knowledge are still rather limited. We have a long way to go to develope our mind and argument skill before we could take on a govt that have been in power for 4 decades. Remember, Rome was not built in a day. -
I am still loyal citizen to the Republic of Singapore. We must have some nationalism and patriotism in our country as some of the new generations don't care about the country only on play and their personal things which is a worrying sign for us and some of the people also migrating to other countries and boh chap on Singapore. If Singapore was in disaster like war and etc next time will we have unity to stand up aganist the enemy. The chances is very slim and maybe even now also if it happen now. So we must have some attention to our country and to some contributions to and not on personal self.
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Pearlie
My statement should restrict the age group to 20-50. Those below 20s might not know much so they are considered neutral. I do not have any AC Neilsen certified survey results. But ask any taxi drivers, ask your friends, hear how many are satisfied or unsatisfied. Also, just take a look at how many households are hanging the flat...You might want to refer to this thread to get an idea on how some forumites think about hanging flags:
http://sgforums.com/?action=thread_display&thread_id=142730
Lotus, Bill and Atobe,
I can ask you to do petitions, go on strike, join opposition parties, etc, etc. But its really your choice if you want to do it a not. I don't control your brain.
Bill and Atobe,
Migrating is not a fine print to save my hide. It is a loud bold print to save my hide. I never said I am patriotic. I always say I am self-centered. Migration is just fulfilling my mercenery character.
Although I do not agree with everything LKY says, I strongly admire his strenght in questioning. "What are your concrete action plans?" question didn't start with me. It started with him. Remember the NUS cultural hall incident earlier this year where he asked a student who made a comment about the erronous gov policies the same question? Today I understand and feel the power of that question as it really leave a deep impression in many of you. -
Originally posted by Cindyfeh:
Sadly, amongst all the sgForumites here, you must be one of the far-out extreme case of being a 'burnt out' Singaporean, unlike many of us here, who still maintain a high degree of sanity and tolerance, both refined to the point of being able to live by "accomodating to the discomfort" .
Pearlie
My statement should restrict the age group to 20-50. Those below 20s might not know much so they are considered neutral. I do not have any AC Neilsen certified survey results. But ask any taxi drivers, ask your friends, hear how many are satisfied or unsatisfied. Also, just take a look at how many households are hanging the flat...You might want to refer to this thread to get an idea on how some forumites think about hanging flags:
http://sgforums.com/?action=thread_display&thread_id=142730
Lotus, Bill and Atobe,
I can ask you to do petitions, go on strike, join opposition parties, etc, etc. But its really your choice if you want to do it a not. I don't control your brain.
Bill and Atobe,
Migrating is not a fine print to save my hide. It is a loud bold print to save my hide. I never said I am patriotic. I always say I am self-centered. Migration is just fulfilling my mercenery character.
Although I do not agree with everything LKY says, I strongly admire his strenght in questioning. "What are your concrete action plans?" question didn't start with me. It started with him. Remember the NUS cultural hall incident earlier this year where he asked a student who made a comment about the erronous gov policies the same question? Today I understand and feel the power of that question as it really leave a deep impression in many of you.
What is with you ?
You declare yourself as never being patriotic, yet you are concerned about the lack of patriotism in the paucity of flags being hung.
You are unpatriotic, yet you will want us to take affirmative actions.
It seems that you are lost somewhere between the Twilight Zone and Timbuctoo - still looking for the perfect place in the Universe to settle down.
Singapore may not be perfect, but at least we will not be "Third Class Citizens" by emigrating into the wilderness, if we cannot even be First Class in Singapore - which is reserved for the Elites.
In the confused state of mind, can you even find the center in your 'self-centered' self ?
Do you seriously think that by migrating you can fulfill your mercenary character - if you can even understand what being "mercenary" is all about ?
A person with an empty mind, and an empty soul, will be easily impressed at the slightest influence of a stronger personality.
Can the hall of University Students measure up to the wily cunning of an experienced politicians that survived the better part of 60 years of his life ?
Sure, any one in the shoes of a newbie undergrad will be impressed by the oratory skill of a trained lawyer, and a veteran motivator of mindless minions - whose oratory power has even held the attention of members of the US Senate and Congress during his first ever speech to the joint house.
What more can we expect from tertiary level STUDENTS ?
We cannot possibly blame every student in that Hall for being so easily impressed; but I wonder if all possess the same uncritical mind as yours, to be weight down by a simple question that merely ask :
" WHAT ARE YOUR CONCRETE ACTION PLANS ? "
To any person who understand the person behind the name LKY, that question asked - in his typical tone - is one of sheer CONTEMPT towards the Questioner, who has the temerity of belittling the policy of LKY's omnipotency.
Without your revelation of the origin of this question, I had already previously accused you of being " CONDESCENDING " - when you posed this question a few times.
Now that the originator of this question is made known, it confirms the contemptuousness of the tone in the question itself.
And yet, your tertiary educated mind could hardly differentiate the significance of the question.
Sad is the day, when the tertiary educated class can have their minds numbed by the oratory skills of some actor that so cleverly play to the emotions of the gallery.
No wonder a deep impression can be left onto any empty mind.
Sad to say this, but it will be doubtful if Singapore will feel a loss with one more easily impressionable emigrant from this Little Red Dot. -
Have the same thought, but most impressed with the way you put it. really admire your command of english. salute.Originally posted by Atobe:A person with an empty mind, and an empty soul, will be easily impressed at the slightest influence of a stronger personality.
Can the hall of University Students measure up to the wily cunning of an experienced politicians that survived the better part of 60 years of his life ?
Sure, any one in the shoes of a newbie undergrad will be impressed by the oratory skill of a trained lawyer, and a veteran motivator of mindless minions - whose oratory power has even held the attention of members of the US Senate and Congress during his first ever speech to the joint house.
What more can we expect from tertiary level STUDENTS ?
We cannot possibly blame every student in that Hall for being so easily impressed; but I wonder if all possess the same uncritical mind as yours, to be weight down by a simple question that merely ask :
" WHAT ARE YOUR CONCRETE ACTION PLANS ? "
To any person who understand the person behind the name LKY, that question asked - in his typical tone - is one of sheer CONTEMPT towards the Questioner, who has the temerity of belittling the policy of LKY's omnipotency. -
Originally posted by sgdiehard:
I am embarrassed by your compliments, and would like to take this opportunity to state my position is not to impress, but using this Speaker's Corner to practise a higher standard in the usage of English - at the same time as having fun in the exchange of views expressed here.
Have the same thought, but most impressed with the way you put it. really admire your command of english. salute.
Good English require one to choose words carefully that can express one's feeling acurately, and the constant search of alternative words to find the one that can express the feelings exactly will be critical.
When you are writing a post, you should try to have a Dictionary and a book of 'Antonyms and Synonyms' with you, and it will help to deliver your thoughts with the accuracy of an exact punch at the vital points.
Enjoy yourselves. -
I cannot see where this thread is going..
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How about having this thread 'migrating' back to the reality of seeing ERP being charged on north bound traffic on the CTE first, and subsequently to all the secondary arterial roads ?Originally posted by oxford mushroom:I cannot see where this thread is going.. -
Of course. But with your repetitive "What are your action plan?" you sound rather instigating and that might get you into trouble.Originally posted by Cindyfeh:Lotus, Bill and Atobe,
I can ask you to do petitions, go on strike, join opposition parties, etc, etc. But its really your choice if you want to do it a not. I don't control your brain. -
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what would they think of next?
The conclusion to this latest 'get-easy money scheme' shows PAP Government does not care for poor Singapore-born ciitizens...
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