Who's afraid of China?
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Simply can't find a better Chinese idiom dedicated to slapping one's own face
Originally posted by SMAPLionHeart on 31 Jul 2005:
I actually had the hidden agenda of using bombastic words to squash the PRC chink's argument.Originally posted by SMAPLionHeart on 1 June 2005:
im proud of my heritage as an overseas chinese and my nationality .
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If you are so uneasy about Chinese products, you can stop buying anything related to China. Start a boycott if you want. Try to lobby your Prime Minister to sever ties with China if it is such a horrible country as you see it. Go ahead!
But China will grow regardless. You can stay in your cocoon and get busy sprouting all your ridiculous anti-China sentiments. Still, China will improve and grow, as one of the forumites said, with or without your approval. Does that upset you? Well, I am afraid there is nothing you can do.Originally posted by SMAPLionHeart:Embrace the PRC!
Very soon , your car, computer , wife , all made-in-china!
Your GUCCI,LV, HDB flat made of using china materials ,
in the end , if the HDB building collapse , or if the GUCCI bag spoils
all your taiji! -
to be fair, i do agree that china and the behavior of its people will improve at it own pace...we will give them time...but until that time comes there's nothing they (or you) can do about the rest of the world hating them and their attitude...
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a note for thought: would you prefer others to respect you from the heart or 'respect' you only because you are powerful???
fyi: we singaporeans have never once said that our country or our people are without flaws. we accept that flaws exits in every one of us, whether black, brown, yellow or white. But what we are saying is that a lot of times PRCs appear to come to our country and expect us, the citizens, to adapt to them rather then them adapting to our culture. You are n OUR country, not the other way around, Singapore does not belong to you. Or simply they are here with the only intention of sucking us dry and taking advantage of every situation at other's expense. We admit we may seem arrogant at times but do you not also admit that everything i have listed is true. Be a gentleman. -
The world does join your madness in hating China and you surely do not speak for the world for that matter. Mannerisms of a people will improve alongside economic progress.
Nothing can be done to change anyone's attitude on anything/anybody. Luckily, the world is not full of biased and shortsighted people. So there is nothing to worry about really.Originally posted by aiki_gal:to be fair, i do agree that china and the behavior of its people will improve at it own pace...we will give them time...but until that time comes there's nothing they (or you) can do about the rest of the world hating them and their attitude... -
Answer for you first quetsion: both. But badly intentioned verbal attackes is not going to help either China or the rest of the world.
Response to you your second point: Since when have the mainland Chinese "expect us, the citizens, to adapt to them rather then them adapting to our culture. "? I beg to know any examples. Please, be my guest.
On the contrary, Singapore has long been a model for many Chinese cities to emulate in terms of economic development and also clean government. A country in the stage of development cannot afford to be arrogant. However, a well off country like Singapore should not adopt a condescending attitude either if it wishes to preserve the image of a progressive and civilized nation.Originally posted by aiki_gal:a note for thought: would you prefer others to respect you from the heart or 'respect' you only because you are powerful???
fyi: we singaporeans have never once said that our country or our people are without flaws. we accept that flaws exits in every one of us, whether black, brown, yellow or white. But what we are saying is that a lot of times PRCs appear to come to our country and expect us, the citizens, to adapt to them rather then them adapting to our culture. You are n OUR country, not the other way around, Singapore does not belong to you. Or simply they are here with the only intention of sucking us dry and taking advantage of every situation at other's expense. We admit we may seem arrogant at times but do you not also admit that everything i have listed is true. Be a gentleman. -
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Originally posted by Gun:Simply can't find a better Chinese idiom dedicated to slapping one's own face
while i laugh, i am sadden by the fact that so many singaporean chinese take american culture lock stock and barrel, good and bad, even words that belittle their own race.
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Your repetitive crap is very tiring and make you look like a fool.Originally posted by SMAPLionHeart:You need a spin doctor to check your head.
I never mentioned USA/Nuke in my posts here. The only nuclear BS came from your own mouth.
Especially on many bs topics on nuclear warfare!
Haven't even tested 1 nuke and dare to say this and that crap.
Where was the 1st plane invented? USA
Where was the 1st nuke invented? USA
Why bring USA into all this? what has USA to do with a debate on China and S'pore?
The reason is obvious. Clearly in your delusion you fantasize about being an american, and you love to be #1 America's b1tch.
I can see you have your mouth firmly on Uncle Sam's dick, but unfortunately US doesn't necessary appreciate your service.
You got hard competition here in asia, you will have to wait in line after the japs and Taidus.
Majority Americans would not even know where S'pore is. When the rednecks say "chink", that means you, the yellow faced POS with borrowed identify and confused "all american" self-esteem. There is no "China chink" or "s'pore chink". stupid fool!
woo hoo, such perfect singlish! Now your American master will be so impressed they will take you as one of the own, right?! as for the ugly yellow face, nothing a plastic surgery can't handle.
Go back home lah!
But what happened to your old British master? did you switch to the new one because the old Brits aren't cool anymore?
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my feeling isn't sad, just a bit creepy and disgusting.Originally posted by sgdiehard:
while i laugh, i am sadden by the fact that so many singaporean chinese take american culture lock stock and barrel, good and bad, even words that belittle their own race. -
And who's the dense one here...unable to hold a deep, intellectual discussion on the vagarities of post-Cold War cultural influence and how the benign form of American pop culture, though imperialist in slant and design, is still desirable to the naked. wanton display of undeserved hubris and wealth that increasing numbers of fucking PRC nationals seem to love and adore, like pandas rolling over for a rack of rotten mutton.Originally posted by YaoRockets:woo hoo, such perfect singlish! Now your American master will be so impressed they will take you as one of the own, right?! as for the ugly yellow face, nothing a plastic surgery can't handle.
But what happened to your old British master? did you switch to the new one because the old Brits aren't cool anymore?
do you major in whoring in school? how do you get to be so good at it? -
But many in the world certainly fear china. Look at the Americans and their protectionist stance eg. Barring the Govt Linked Chinese Company from buying a US oil company. I have already mentioned the british small factory owner who is afraid of what he described as the new wild west. Many in africa are certainly afraid that China is stealthily colonizing Africa.Originally posted by dreameryb:The world does join your madness in hating China and you surely do not speak for the world for that matter. Mannerisms of a people will improve alongside economic progress.
From the posts here, it appears that Singaporeans who fear china growth feel that way because they think that PRCians have a long way to go intellectually and socially, and they are afriad that China's influence will grow faster than any improvements in 'mannerisms'.The fear of china among many singaporeans are out of ignorance!! but nobody will accept that. We ask the unskilled chinese nationals to leave for taking up space but the ones we are really afraid of and are angry with are the ones with skills, who are competing with us for jobs. Whats wrong with unskilled chinese here, doing the jobs that we don't want to do, and we only pay them peanuts (oops, peanut now costs $600,000)??
Why do you say ignorance? Ignorance of what? Personally, i see nothing wrong with citizens being afraid of foreigners taking our jobs. The chinese/indians/fillipinos(sp?) can accept lower salaries because they are not based here. They do not have to support 2 kids through university in Singapore. They do not have a S$400000 mortgage to pay. I do not think that is an irrational fear. I do not however, have a solution to this problem. If we do not hire cheap workers, and the factories leave singapore, then we will have lost more jobs. Right now, at least these guys are paying taxes and some jobs are still in Singapore. -
that clown is a walking contradiction ...Originally posted by Gun:Simply can't find a better Chinese idiom dedicated to slapping one's own face
here's one of gems:Not gonna waste my breath on them
then he showed us how to save his breath by making 8 more posts. -
Civilization did not begin with those who have, hating those who have not, until they improve. Civilization progresses when those who have, help those who have not, to improve. I am a singaporean.Originally posted by aiki_gal:to be fair, i do agree that china and the behavior of its people will improve at it own pace...we will give them time...but until that time comes there's nothing they (or you) can do about the rest of the world hating them and their attitude...
I have not seen so much respects given to singaporean in china than in any other country, under-developed, developing or developed, with their leaders asking them to emulate singapore. Those singaporean who are not proud of singapore must think the chinese are nuts. I am not sure how did you get the impression that chinese nationals here are expecting us to adapt to them. what is it, the 'us' that they are sucking? what is this "taking advantage of every situation at other's expense"? Before you explain that I, a singaporean cannot agree with you that "everything i have listed is true," except that some singaporean are arrogant at times.Originally posted by aiki_gal:a note for thought: would you prefer others to respect you from the heart or 'respect' you only because you are powerful???
fyi: we singaporeans have never once said that our country or our people are without flaws. we accept that flaws exits in every one of us, whether black, brown, yellow or white. But what we are saying is that a lot of times PRCs appear to come to our country and expect us, the citizens, to adapt to them rather then them adapting to our culture. You are n OUR country, not the other way around, Singapore does not belong to you. Or simply they are here with the only intention of sucking us dry and taking advantage of every situation at other's expense. We admit we may seem arrogant at times but do you not also admit that everything i have listed is true. Be a gentleman.
I am not interested in defending chinese nationals here, but I firmly believe that singapore ought to adopt a more positive approach in dealing with china. There are good guys, bad guys, nice guys, ugly guy, and of course, the asssholes in every country, among every race, in every continent. You surely can find all kind of people among 1.2 billion chinese nationals. We need to learn to come to term with them, if not, you must not meet anyone anywhere! how not to meet any chinese nationals these days? -
China doesn't demand respect, china is just adamant in protecting her interests. Being a willing pawn in USA's containment ploy is no friendly gesture, attemping to officialize relations with China's breakway province infringes on China's core interest.Originally posted by aiki_gal:a note for thought: would you prefer others to respect you from the heart or 'respect' you only because you are powerful???
fyi: we singaporeans have never once said that our country or our people are without flaws. we accept that flaws exits in every one of us, whether black, brown, yellow or white. But what we are saying is that a lot of times PRCs appear to come to our country and expect us, the citizens, to adapt to them rather then them adapting to our culture. You are n OUR country, not the other way around, Singapore does not belong to you. Or simply they are here with the only intention of sucking us dry and taking advantage of every situation at other's expense. We admit we may seem arrogant at times but do you not also admit that everything i have listed is true. Be a gentleman.
China power is a myth. US is the #1 power, US has bases all over the globe, and carrier groups in every occean, 10,000+ nukes pointed to every major world city, US invades countries for oil and for profit.
China is a quasi power, China doesn't station troops oversea, China has a crappy navy and can't project power over sea, China uses $$$ to buy oil not kill for oil.
The world has more to fear from US, the the world already is. If the 9/11 and suicide bombers haven't taught you anything, you need to start using your brain cells.
A major poll showed world has more favorable opinon on China than on US.
http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/americas/4124164.stm
China 'is more popular' than US
China is well considered even if many are wary of its growing power
America's image is still so tattered abroad after the Iraq war that China is viewed more favourably than the US in many countries, a global poll finds.
Its image has not recovered in Western European countries, the US-based Pew Research Center found.
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PLEASE LAH...Originally posted by Gun:Simply can't find a better Chinese idiom dedicated to slapping one's own face
PRC chink and overseas chinese alot of difference okay? -
Read my post again, we have no disagreement here. The real fear indeed is the FT taking our jobs at lower pay, not the unskilled labourers!! that is why we should not be asking for the unskilled to go home.Originally posted by lwflee:Why do you say ignorance? Ignorance of what? Personally, i see nothing wrong with citizens being afraid of foreigners taking our jobs. The chinese/indians/fillipinos(sp?) can accept lower salaries because they are not based here. They do not have to support 2 kids through university in Singapore. They do not have a S$400000 mortgage to pay. I do not think that is an irrational fear. I do not however, have a solution to this problem. If we do not hire cheap workers, and the factories leave singapore, then we will have lost more jobs. Right now, at least these guys are paying taxes and some jobs are still in Singapore.
I have not heard of one valid reason why singapore should be afraid of china so far in the forum, except when we looking at the size of china with a negative approach. If we can identify what we fear, then there is nothing to fear because we can work towards overcoming the fear. There appears to be fear that we cannot identify, because we don't know enough about china, or anything about china, that is ignorance. -
they fear because that's what the international media (read *american* ) tell them.Originally posted by sgdiehard:I have not heard of one valid reason why singapore should be afraid of china so far in the forum, except when we looking at the size of china with a negative approach. If we can identify what we fear, then there is nothing to fear because we can work towards overcoming the fear. There appears to be fear that we cannot identify, because we don't know enough about china, or anything about china, that is ignorance.
but even amid the neocon's hysteria, there are some sane voices.
here's a good example from L.A. Times
July 26, 2005 latimes.com : Opinion :
Robert Scheer:
On China at least, Nixon was right
"China will never make it economically."
That's what I was told four decades ago, during my days as a graduate fellow at UC Berkeley's Center for Chinese Studies. That widely shared pessimistic view was based on the notion that the Chinese economy, plagued by scarce resources and massive overpopulation, would never take off, no matter what ideology dominated.
Everyone knows those experts were wrong. China, despite having almost a billion more mouths to feed now and being far more dependent on foreign resources, is frightening not because of the prospect of its economic failure, but because of its success. You could smell panic over China's offer to buy Unocal.
Sadly, the prospect of hundreds of millions of people being lifted from abject poverty seems to alarm even leading Democrats in Congress, who claim to be driven by a standard of social justice. And many Republicans, who tend to trumpet the virtues of free trade when it involves the domination of world markets by U.S. businesses, are also raising the protectionist flag against the prospect of Chinese ownership of a single mid-size American-based oil company.
The signals we send to China have always been bizarrely mixed: Play in the capitalist ballpark but not so well that you become one of the big stars. It is a message that, as with the Japan-bashing of the 1980s, is at best paranoid and at worst racist. We in the West can be trusted with enormous economic power, but not the children of a lesser god.
The contradictions in U.S. policy were on full display last week when China untied its currency from the dollar, a move long demanded by American China-bashers. The upward valuation of the yuan was welcomed by those concerned about the U.S.-China trade imbalance; it also caused shivers of fear that China might not continue to lavishly invest in U.S. Treasury notes.
Of course, if you believe the protectionists, the trade imbalance with China is a reflection not of the hard work of the Chinese people but rather trickery on the part of China's leaders. Such irrationality is finding broad bipartisan congressional support. The House voted, 398 to 15, to condemn a sale of Unocal to the Chinese, alleging it would "threaten to impair the national security of the United States."
"Trade should be mutually beneficial, and it is certainly not with China," Sen. Byron L. Dorgan (D-N.D.) said.
Tell that to the American consumers storming Costco and Wal-Mart to buy affordable Chinese-made goods, or the millions who have benefited from low-interest mortgages made possible by the Chinese subsidization of our huge budget deficits under President Bush.
And why isn't it a good thing that China is seeking access to Unocal's cleaner-burning natural gas as a substitute for coal, thereby lessening the danger of global warming?
The fear-mongering must be confusing to Asians, who've been hectored by the West for two centuries about the ineffable beauty of free trade. Americans, for instance, don't think that Asians should feel in the least bit threatened because of Unocal's ownership of natural gas fields on their continent. That's just the market in action.
Upon examination, the national security argument against Chinese ownership is absurd. Access to oil is determined by the international market, and the only nation with the military power to implement or prevent a worldwide blockade of this or any other vital resource is the United States.
And consider the hypocrisy: The Senate that authorized the "preemptive" conquering of the nation with the second-biggest oil reserves on the planet is now challenging China's right to use dollars it earned exporting legal products to buy a U.S.-based multinational company.
The Bush administration, led on this issue by Treasury Secretary John Snow, has managed to bring some reason to the congressional debate, and for the moment thwarted the wilder suggestions to dramatically increase tariffs on Chinese goods. But that hasn't silenced the protectionist demagogues lurking in the political shadows eager to once again scapegoat the "yellow hordes" of China as an alternative to facing our serious, but domestically rooted, economic problems.
The protectionists must be defeated and U.S. policy should stay rooted in the wisdom of Richard M. Nixon — a prosperous China is good for us all. -
are u not a chinese??? y be so racist???Originally posted by lwflee:Who's afriad of China's growing economic prowess and why?
I am actually a litlle apprehensive about this phenomenon in part because the Chinese seem to have such alien values. They are just so... chinese. -
Originally posted by c0ol_blu3z:are u not a chinese??? y be so racist???
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Originally posted by SMAPLionHeart:
You may wish to refer to the link below before calling other people "chink" and degrading your own descent in future. Your non-Chinese friends, upon hearing that word from you, are definitely going to be very amused.
PLEASE LAH...
PRC chink and overseas chinese alot of difference okay?
http://dictionary.reference.com/search?q=chink
Chink (chngk)
n. Offensive Slang
Used as a disparaging term for person of Chinese birth or descent.
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actually, I am kinda amused by this character and far less concern with what he or SHE has to say about more worldly stuff like race or nationality.Originally posted by sgdiehard:while i laugh, i am sadden by the fact that so many singaporean chinese take american culture lock stock and barrel, good and bad, even words that belittle their own race.
you see, this character has shared a little about his (err...HER) secret:Originally posted by SMAPLionHeart:
Virginity to women is like youthful innocence , of course i must react , I just had a painful experience with love that made me realise that certain stuffs when it dissapears , it will never return back once more..
Source:
http://sgforums.com/?action=thread_display&thread_id=123833&page=1
This character later claims HE "got bad mood due to relationship problems again... ", hence "have unintentionally vented (my) fiery on forumites." 'HE' then subsequently apologised for the emotional outburst.
So you see, one cannot take such character too seriously, at least, not in this forum
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wow, someone is taking guns and sticking it up my nose
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Its your own shit up to your nose.Originally posted by SMAPLionHeart:wow, someone is taking guns and sticking it up my nose -
Yes agree. It is natural to be afraid of things or people we don't know or understand.Originally posted by Gun:Are you afraid ?
Afraid can be due to tbe unknown.
Unknown is due to ignorance.
Ignorance is due apathy.
Are you apathic to China's rise ?
If you are, you ought to be afraid.
If you don't want to be afraid or apprehensive, readup a little more on history of China.
Good luck in conquering your fear.
China is indeed growing very fast esp economically and I think we can't aford to ignore her whether we like it or not.