Govt rigidity
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Imagine getting good results for most of the subjects required for poly entrance. But 1 subject missed by 1 grade.
NOTHING you can do. They only see your results and nothing else!!!
Appeal, rejected. Academic excellence certs and prizes no use too....
And the govt is promoting the 'recognition of young talent'. You can get into some secondary schools by talent, into uni by talent more than results....
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To many talent to choose from.
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it is called the meritocracy system
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And later someone with piss poor grades get in, and you ask what talent he has, and you'll rant too like the above but opposite.
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What is meritocracy when places in Singapore schools are "reserved" for foreign students?
One parent wrote to Forums last week in the Straits Times lamenting the fact that her kid who had scored well in the exams lost out in a place in our top schools because of these "reserved" places for foreign students.
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Hi,
I am uncertain which education institute you are attempting to enrol into. However, while govt advocates and recognises talent, it is the jurisdication of each education institute to make her own decision.
I do not question your sincerity in getting a placement in the institution, but I believe that with your preserverence, you could excel in other areas.
Aurora
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Try seeing your MP. I don't know if this works.
Take heart, my friend. You know the guy who is in great demand after he successfully created the computer graphic effects in the Lord of the Rings? He is a S'porean. He was rejected by all the schools he enrolled in SG. He went US and now he is well known and sort after. See how stupid our selection system is.
Look at the guy show tried seeking E*B's help to launch his design for the sand castle mould. He was turned away. Then he went US and sold the pattern to Waddington. And Bingo! It's selling like hot cakes world wide. It simply prove how silly things are happening in S'pore.
Don't give up, yeah, keep trying... -
Sg gov are stupid. no mercy, disgusting, hypocrisy.Originally posted by Shenanigan:Try seeing your MP. I don't know if this works.
Take heart, my friend. You know the guy who is in great demand after he successfully created the computer graphic effects in the Lord of the Rings? He is a S'porean. He was rejected by all the schools he enrolled in SG. He went US and now he is well known and sort after. See how stupid our selection system is.
Look at the guy show tried seeking E*B's help to launch his design for the sand castle mould. He was turned away. Then he went US and sold the pattern to Waddington. And Bingo! It's selling like hot cakes world wide. It simply prove how silly things are happening in S'pore.
Don't give up, yeah, keep trying... -
I wonder how they select foreign talents? Who decide if they are foreign talents? I guess it must be some "stupid selection system" when potentials are turned away and rejects from their own country are taken as foreign talents in S'pore.Originally posted by Shenanigan:Try seeing your MP. I don't know if this works.
Take heart, my friend. You know the guy who is in great demand after he successfully created the computer graphic effects in the Lord of the Rings? He is a S'porean. He was rejected by all the schools he enrolled in SG. He went US and now he is well known and sort after. See how stupid our selection system is.
Look at the guy show tried seeking E*B's help to launch his design for the sand castle mould. He was turned away. Then he went US and sold the pattern to Waddington. And Bingo! It's selling like hot cakes world wide. It simply prove how silly things are happening in S'pore.
Don't give up, yeah, keep trying... -
Look, they have to set a cut off point. If someone else made the cut off point but was not given the place, how would that guy feel. Remember, the school is not likely to be short on candidates.Originally posted by redstone:Imagine getting good results for most of the subjects required for poly entrance. But 1 subject missed by 1 grade.
NOTHING you can do. They only see your results and nothing else!!!
Appeal, rejected. Academic excellence certs and prizes no use too....
And the govt is promoting the 'recognition of young talent'. You can get into some secondary schools by talent, into uni by talent more than results....
But post sec entirely different story?!
You mentioned academic certs and prizes...imo, they are quite irrelevent because nobody really knows what it takes to get those prizes. The prizes are, i assume, awarded by your school on the basis of a wholly internal assesement. What we know however, is that when you took a standardized test, you failed to make the mark.
Imo, your certs and prizes should only be seriously taken into account when you have fulfilled the min reqs, and are competing for a place with other candidartes who have fulfilled the min reqs. Then, i think it would be logical that your certs and prizes would give you an advantage. -
Civil servant here lack imagination- and the problem is that since govt controls everything, pple here have no choice but to talk to them. But in the end, it only worsen the situation coz people get rejected because of their unconventional ideas!Originally posted by Shenanigan:Try seeing your MP. I don't know if this works.
Take heart, my friend. You know the guy who is in great demand after he successfully created the computer graphic effects in the Lord of the Rings? He is a S'porean. He was rejected by all the schools he enrolled in SG. He went US and now he is well known and sort after. See how stupid our selection system is.
Look at the guy show tried seeking E*B's help to launch his design for the sand castle mould. He was turned away. Then he went US and sold the pattern to Waddington. And Bingo! It's selling like hot cakes world wide. It simply prove how silly things are happening in S'pore.
Don't give up, yeah, keep trying... -
This is a typical reply from a civil servant. They tell you thier limitations instead of resolving problems. How sad. Why can't they think of a solution and have a win-win situations. Pathetic!
Look, they have to set a cut off point. If someone else made the cut off point but was not given the place, how would that guy feel. Remember, the school is not likely to be short on candidates.
You mentioned academic certs and prizes...imo, they are quite irrelevent because nobody really knows what it takes to get those prizes. The prizes are, i assume, awarded by your school on the basis of a wholly internal assesement. What we know however, is that when you took a standardized test, you failed to make the mark.
Imo, your certs and prizes should only be seriously taken into account when you have fulfilled the min reqs, and are competing for a place with other candidartes who have fulfilled the min reqs. Then, i think it would be logical that your certs and prizes would give you an advantage. -
What is new with the system ?
When the School of Sports was first thought of, it was to absorb youngsters with a passion for all kinds of sports.
After the School was built, they set up a minimum standard that only qualify students with straight A's for admission.
Which student with straight A's will be willing to dedicate themselves into a career of sports ?
There were other students, who were hyper-active in sports but were unfortunately not the academic types, and were rejected.
After nearly a year into the School operation, they realised that the multi-million dollar facility is half full, and not reaching its maximum operating capacity.
In other words, another 'White Elephant' in the making.
Now, they change the rules, and are more accomodating to students with lower grades, but show a 'healthy' attitude in sports and/or outdoor ECA involvement.
In the first place, why allow one year to pass and create all the grief and the wasted lives of those students from that year's cohort, who could not gain entry and moved on to other careers ?
Will the School accept the return application of those earlier rejected (and now over age) Students, who may not have made the grades in the other alternative careers that were reluctantly accepted ?
Yet, the Government claim that we have a lack of talents in Sports, when in fact they are the cause for this situation in the lack of talents.
Similarly, in the field of Politics, the Government claim the same - that there is lack of talents amongst Singaporeans to hold leadership positions.
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1 more thing to addOriginally posted by Shenanigan:Try seeing your MP. I don't know if this works.
Take heart, my friend. You know the guy who is in great demand after he successfully created the computer graphic effects in the Lord of the Rings? He is a S'porean. He was rejected by all the schools he enrolled in SG. He went US and now he is well known and sort after. See how stupid our selection system is.
Look at the guy show tried seeking E*B's help to launch his design for the sand castle mould. He was turned away. Then he went US and sold the pattern to Waddington. And Bingo! It's selling like hot cakes world wide. It simply prove how silly things are happening in S'pore.
Don't give up, yeah, keep trying...
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This thread makes me sad i got 3 for english humanities chinese ect but i failed my maths. and no sch!
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go the longer way but u must be prepare to commit more time and effort and most importantly, if u suck at maths, don ever go into engineering.....peroidOriginally posted by ChingAlvin:This thread makes me sad i got 3 for english humanities chinese ect but i failed my maths. and no sch! -
what really pisses me most is that cca is taken into account to your points
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Uh - huh...Originally posted by Archirodon:This is a typical reply from a civil servant. They tell you thier limitations instead of resolving problems. How sad. Why can't they think of a solution and have a win-win situations. Pathetic!
What would your solution be? -
mi o level nia
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There can be many ways rather than turning them away for just 1 point difference.Originally posted by lwflee:Uh - huh...
What would your solution be?
1) The rules are set by human, they can also be revised and changed by humans too.
2) Do not be too rigid with the rules. Bent it if you can.
3) Interview the agrief party, see if he/she has the cut to make it.
4) Put him in the waiting list. If there are last minute withdrawals, fit him/her in.
5) Review his other curriculum or awards, or cca or etc... Give him/her the benefit of doubts.
6) Start another class.
7) Just find a reason to fit him/her in.
8. There are many ways then just brushing them away by rules set by silly ppl at the top.
Surely there can be a solution. It's whether you want to help or not. There are many slow starters in real life. Just because they can't meet the mere 1 point, he/she is deprieved for the rest of his/her life. Manage with the heart not the rules. Sim Wong "Who" will tell you this is the No 'U' Turn symdrom.
Remember. A little help gives a person a long way. He/she will remember you for the longest time.
Yeah, I can predict a typical Civil Servant rebutal to this:
"If everyone wants to be given a second chance, wants to have special treatment, there is no end. We will then be very busy. There must be a line drawn somewhere.... blah... blah.. blah..." -
1. YesOriginally posted by Archirodon:There can be many ways rather than turning them away for just 1 point difference.
1) The rules are set by human, they can also be revised and changed by humans too.
2) Do not be too rigid with the rules. Bent it if you can.
3) Interview the agrief party, see if he/she has the cut to make it.
4) Put him in the waiting list. If there are last minute withdrawals, fit him/her in.
5) Review his other curriculum or awards, or cca or etc... Give him/her the benefit of doubts.
6) Start another class.
7) Just find a reason to fit him/her in.
8. There are many ways then just brushing them away by rules set by silly ppl at the top.
Surely there can be a solution. It's whether you want to help or not. There are many slow starters in real life. Just because they can't meet the mere 1 point, he/she is deprieved for the rest of his/her life. Manage with the heart not the rules. Sim Wong "Who" will tell you this is the No 'U' Turn symdrom.
Remember. A little help gives a person a long way. He/she will remember you for the longest time.
Yeah, I can predict a typical Civil Servant rebutal to this:
"If everyone wants to be given a second chance, wants to have special treatment, there is no end. We will then be very busy. There must be a line drawn somewhere.... blah... blah.. blah..."
2. Hmmmm...you mean guidelines then.
3. See your 'typical civil servant' response above.
4. Yes. However, you are assuming that the school lacks candidates who meet the reqs as set out in the prospectus etc. I doubt that is the case.
5. see 3 + my response above.
6. Look, this is clearly an absurd suggestion. There are only so many resources available. How can you expect the school to start another class, at the expense of other students.
7. That is illogical and insensible. Imo.
8. I do not think the rules are silly. I think they serve a very practical function. To change entry requirements on a whim would be unfair to all those who meet the requirements. They put in the time. They put in the effort. They worked towards a target. They made it.
And the person concerned is not deprived for the rest of his/her life. He can accept a place on another course. If that is not possible because his results can't get him into poly, and he really really wants to go into poly, i would suggest he try again next year. Just retake the subject. Its not the end of the world.
On a more general note, i think that there can be too much focus on grades. They ought to consider more than just grades eg. For entry into a Mech Eng course, maybe the school could give priority to students who have shown a genuine interest in the course by taking part in some work experience program or some robotics competition. Then, i do not think the student should be turned away if he falls just short of the entry guidelines. The policy must, however be made official.
PS: Note that redstone was given an appeal. He appealed but the appeal was unsuccessful. We do not know how his appeal was considered. Wouldn;t it be presumptuous of us to say that the system is too rigid? -
If Ronaldo and David Beckham were born in Singapore they'll probably end up working as security guards or clearing tables at foodcourts.
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you are so funnie....and i certainly agree with you... hehehe.Originally posted by av98m:If Ronaldo and David Beckham were born in Singapore they'll probably end up working as security guards or clearing tables at foodcourts.
Sadly, still we have ppl who cannot see the point. They go by the rules nothing else but the rules... It shows how "successful" our gov has nurture his civil servants. Be obedient and comply with the rules.... haiz... They can't seem to think out of the box. -
Actually, Sim Wong Hoo was supposed to be Bill Gates. Jack Neo was to be Steven Spielberg. Fandi would have been Tiger Woods. But our selection sucks. They missed by one point and was asked to do a next best course close to their interest. heheheOriginally posted by av98m:If Ronaldo and David Beckham were born in Singapore they'll probably end up working as security guards or clearing tables at foodcourts. -
They should reserve a certain percentage of places for those who do not meet the entry requirement!